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07-11-2012, 12:46 AM
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Leafs are high on Korbinian Holzer

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/10...high-on-holzer

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TORONTO - Korbinian Holzer’s development with the Toronto Marlies could progress to the point where he is a full-time defenceman for the Maple Leafs in 2012-13.

Or it might not.

“No one is automatically on the team,” Leafs assistant general manager Claude Loiselle said Tuesday. “Anyone has to come in and make the team.”

But in Holzer’s case, the Leafs think he is ready to take that next step. The 6-foot-3, 205-pound native of Germany helped form the Marlies’ shut-down pair with Mark Fraser, and among his assets is his skating, which is a basic for any player with designs on playing regularly in the National Hockey League.

“No. 1, he’s a good skater and he sees the ice well,” Loiselle said. “He plays with a little jam, and being paired with Fraser, it brought out the physical part of his game. He was just one of many guys who benefited from the Marlies’ playoff run.”

Part of what enabled Holzer to excel in the AHL was the Leafs’ willingness to let him learn at a comfortable pace. There was no need to rush him to the Air Canada Centre — Holzer played for the Leafs in two games two seasons ago, and though he was recalled a couple of times last season, wasn’t kept around for long stretches with the Leafs simply to watch from the press box.

“That’s the key, the work at that level and playing in meaningful games,” Loiselle said. “Playing upward of 25 minutes a game and in key situations.

“He was a horse down there, but now he has to come and make it (with the Leafs).”

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Holzer at 575k could turn into a steal if he's solid for us this year. and it makes a player like Franson Expendable.

I think Franson + Macarthur + 2nd pick in 2013 + Prospect ala Mckegg can yield us a solid return and wouldn't really hurt us too badly.

However if the leafs like to carry 7 dmen in case of injury then we could very well see franson on the blueline with Holzer filling in when players are injured.

Blacker + Reilly i'm sure could use 1 more year of dev time.. Blacker maybe half a year being the guy on the marlies to see how he responds to that role.

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I get the feeling people aren't going to like this guy just because they seem to be over-hyping him. I hope he can play against NHL players, but I guess we will see.

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Looking forward to seeing him play. We obviously have faith in him if we signed him to a 1-way contract.

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I hope this doesn't mean people create pressure on him or expect things that he isn't capable of.

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Worst case scenario we trade him or put him on waivers, it's not like someone more deserving can't replace him if required. Seems like a good deal for 1 year.

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Looking forward to seeing him play. We obviously have faith in him if we signed him to a 1-way contract.
I think otherwise he would have left the Leafs for the DEL, good Germans earn more money here than in the AHL on a 2-way-contract. I'm not saying he is all about the money, but he has already spent 2 years in the AHL, I can't see him staying patient forever.

I hope he can snag a roster place and become a regular this year, really love his game .

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I don't like this Loiselle guy, sounds very cocky and full of himself. Where did he come from anyway?

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I hope this doesn't mean people create pressure on him or expect things that he isn't capable of.
What pressure? He's been given plenty of time to develop ad his own pace in the AHL.. He's 24 it's time to see wether he has it or not...signed a 1 way 500k contract to be the 7th damn...he is what he is... No one expects Nik Lidstrom here...

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I hope this doesn't mean people create pressure on him or expect things that he isn't capable of.
There will be pressure since this is Toronto, but I just hope people keep their expectations realistic. In my eyes, Holzer is nothing more than a very good 5/6 dman.

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He is going to take Fransons job, that is my expectations. (not much imo)

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There will be pressure since this is Toronto, but I just hope people keep their expectations realistic. In my eyes, Holzer is nothing more than a very good 5/6 dman.
Not that I necessarily disagree, but what is this based on?

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I don't like this Loiselle guy, sounds very cocky and full of himself. Where did he come from anyway?
Wut?

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Loiselle played in nj and quebec in the 1980's

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Coolest name in the organization.

Excited to see what he can bring.

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I get the feeling people aren't going to like this guy just because they seem to be over-hyping him. I hope he can play against NHL players, but I guess we will see.

Sounds just like another player we all know...Kadri

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It's great to have all these defensemen coming up which is always a good thing - however as a Leaf fan since 1985ish I can't remember them ever being a team that you look at and say 'wow they're really good defensively'

Maybe they will actually learn how to keep pucks out of their net with RC leading them (statistically one of the worst goal against teams for a long time running now) - if not, I can't see how they make the playoffs in a very good Eastern Conference

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Holzer is the perfect example of how yo go about adding gritty defensive dmen to your bottom pair....don't waste big money or high draft picks to get them, that's for sure.

holzer should fit just fine on our bottom pair this year, and wil likely push komi right back into the presbox.

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Holzer was lights-out for the Marlies the past two seasons. He should have been in the NHL last year, but the experience of playing in that playoff run is definitely good for him. Holzer has so much experience for a 24 year old: he played pro in Germany for 3 years, has represented Germany in 2 WC's, has played in the Olympics and has played in the Calder Cup finals. He developed slowly like most German's, but he will be a very solid NHL defenseman. I hope his physical play translates from the AHL to the NHL.

Looking forward to watching him play on the Maple Leafs!

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I get the feeling people aren't going to like this guy just because they seem to be over-hyping him. I hope he can play against NHL players, but I guess we will see.
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What pressure? He's been given plenty of time to develop ad his own pace in the AHL.. He's 24 it's time to see wether he has it or not...signed a 1 way 500k contract to be the 7th damn...he is what he is... No one expects Nik Lidstrom here...
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Sounds just like another player we all know...Kadri
I see no similarity between Kadri and Holzer.

One is always being touted as a top 6 forward, many pencil him into the 1st. line center position, without ever handling that spot in the minors.

One is being touted as a depth defender, at best 3rd. pairing guy replacing a departed 3rd. pairing guy, while he was key guy in the minors.

I have read almost nothing saying he's going to be a key player in the NHL, but 3rd. pairing guys are needed too.

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It's great to have all these defensemen coming up which is always a good thing - however as a Leaf fan since 1985ish I can't remember them ever being a team that you look at and say 'wow they're really good defensively'

Maybe they will actually learn how to keep pucks out of their net with RC leading them (statistically one of the worst goal against teams for a long time running now) - if not, I can't see how they make the playoffs in a very good Eastern Conference
http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm...ainst&type=LEA

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Thanks Ulf - if you have a bit of time, other than 1 season in nearly 30 years (from 1985 to now) any other good defensive years from Toronto?

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Holzer at 575k could turn into a steal if he's solid for us this year. and it makes a player like Franson Expendable.

I think Franson + Macarthur + 2nd pick in 2013 + Prospect ala Mckegg can yield us a solid return and wouldn't really hurt us too badly.

However if the leafs like to carry 7 dmen in case of injury then we could very well see franson on the blueline with Holzer filling in when players are injured.

Blacker + Reilly i'm sure could use 1 more year of dev time.. Blacker maybe half a year being the guy on the marlies to see how he responds to that role.

How do you figure?

They play 2 very different styles of D. If anything, it makes Komisarek expendable. They aren't gonna ship out Franson just because of this "problem".


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I hope this doesn't mean people create pressure on him or expect things that he isn't capable of.
Keep hoping, I remember some around here having Schenn expendable because of Holzer. Hopefully he can come in and play well and is at least allowed some sort of learning curve.

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Thanks Ulf - if you have a bit of time, other than 1 season in nearly 30 years (from 1985 to now) any other good defensive years from Toronto?
Prior to 1992-1993 they were a miserable team across the board, so there's going to be nothing pleasant to look at from 85-92. Similarly, I think we all know about the post lockout problems.

1993-1994 they were 6th in goal dif. 1998-1999 they were 5th. 1999-2000 they were 10th. 2000-2001 they were 9th. 2001-2002 they were 5th. 2002-2003 they were 9th. 2003-2004 they were 7th.

So, in seven of eleven seasons, they were top ten in goal differential, and in each of those seasons, they were above +20. I don't have particulars on things like ESGD vs. PPGD vs. SHGD, but they might be out there -- I just don't care to do that much research for you.

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