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07-11-2012, 09:32 AM
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here are Centers I would prefer to Plekanec...

Ryan Getzlaf (ANA)
Tyler Seguin (BOS)
Patrice Bergeron (BOS)
David Krejci (BOS)
Eric Staal (CAR)
Jordan Staal (CAR)
Jonathan Toews (CHI)
Dave Bolland (CHI)
Ryan O'Reilly (COL)
Paul Stastny (COL)
Matt Duchesne (COL)
Derek Roy (DAL)
Pavel Datsyuk (DET)
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (EDM)
Anze Kopitar (LAK)
Mike Richards (LAK)
Jeff Carter (LAK)
Mikko Koivu (MIN)
Mike Fisher (NSH)
John Tavares (NYI)
Brad Richards (NYR)
Jason Spezza (OTT)
Kyle Turris (OTT)
Sean Couturier (PHI)
Martin Hanzal (PHX)
Evgeni Malkin (PIT)
Sidney Crosby (PIT)
Joe Thornton (SJS)
David Backes (STL)
Patrik Berglund (STL)
Steven Stamkos (TBL)
Vincent Lecavalier (TBL)
Henrik Sedin (VAN)
Ryan Kesler (VAN)
Mike Ribeiro (WAS)
Nicklas Backstrom (WSH)
I'm not a Pleks fan , however the bolded players above are behind Plekanec.

Plekanec> The bolded players.

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07-11-2012, 09:32 AM
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here are Centers I would prefer to Plekanec...

Dave Bolland (CHI)

Mike Fisher (NSH)

Kyle Turris (OTT)
Sean Couturier (PHI)

Patrik Berglund (STL)
Ridiculous, and there are other who are debatable, like Roy, Ribeiro and Nugent-Hopkins.

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07-11-2012, 09:33 AM
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OEL should never be part of any trade discussions. He's the future and has to be untouchable. But if you want to acquire Tomas Plekanec, you're going to have to offer something Montreal needs.

They are weak on the left wing and in front of the net. After Price and Pacioretty, there's no one. So Boedker and Visentin should be made available. I'm assuming Montreal would be more interested in Boedker who would fill up the spot on the 2nd line.

That trade would push Vermette to the left wing although he's the better face-off man. I don't know why Maloney said he's looking for a center. I feel he needs more than that upfront.

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07-11-2012, 09:44 AM
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Ridiculous, and there are other who are debatable, like Roy, Ribeiro and Nugent-Hopkins.
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I'm not a Pleks fan , however the bolded players above are behind Plekanec.

Plekanec> The bolded players.
ahahah,

right there with all of them combined, you have at least 30 Centers above Plecs...

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ahahah,

right there with all of them combined, you have at least 30 Centers above Plecs...
You should watch hockey, its a great sport.

Top 30 in points for center in the last 5 years while been top 10 best defensive center..

btw Desharnais/Plekanec/Eller > Turris


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07-11-2012, 09:59 AM
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here are Centers I would prefer to Plekanec...

Ryan Getzlaf (ANA)
Tyler Seguin (BOS) - not currently playing center
Patrice Bergeron (BOS)
David Krejci (BOS)
Eric Staal (CAR)
Jordan Staal (CAR)
Jonathan Toews (CHI)
Dave Bolland (CHI) - plays third line center, isn't as offensively gifted; look at roles
Ryan O'Reilly (COL) - based on what? you're serious?
Paul Stastny (COL)
Matt Duchesne (COL)
Derek Roy (DAL)
Pavel Datsyuk (DET)
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (EDM)
Anze Kopitar (LAK)
Mike Richards (LAK)
Jeff Carter (LAK)
Mikko Koivu (MIN)
Mike Fisher (NSH)
John Tavares (NYI)
Brad Richards (NYR)
Jason Spezza (OTT)
Kyle Turris (OTT) - not a two-way centerman + has had one good season; plekanec has been consistent for the last 3 years
Sean Couturier (PHI) - he's too young to compare; he hasn't been put in the position to compare with the job Plekanec has done
Martin Hanzal (PHX) - not gifted two-ways as Plekanec
Evgeni Malkin (PIT)
Sidney Crosby (PIT)
Joe Thornton (SJS)
David Backes (STL)
Patrik Berglund (STL) - had a few good playoff games; doesn't lead offense, isn't as strong defensively as Plekanec and has yet to put up Plekanec's numbers (4 years of 50+ points)
Steven Stamkos (TBL)
Vincent Lecavalier (TBL)
Henrik Sedin (VAN)
Ryan Kesler (VAN)
Mike Ribeiro (WAS)
Nicklas Backstrom (WSH)
My comments on the bolded players. Plekanec isn't a premier 1st line center, but he is a 1st line center.

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here are Centers I would prefer to Plekanec...

Ryan Getzlaf (ANA)
Tyler Seguin (BOS)
Patrice Bergeron (BOS)
David Krejci (BOS)
Eric Staal (CAR)
Jordan Staal (CAR)
Jonathan Toews (CHI)
Dave Bolland (CHI)
Ryan O'Reilly (COL)

Paul Stastny (COL)
Matt Duchesne (COL)
Derek Roy (DAL)
Pavel Datsyuk (DET)
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (EDM)
Anze Kopitar (LAK)
Mike Richards (LAK)
Jeff Carter (LAK)
Mikko Koivu (MIN)
Mike Fisher (NSH)
John Tavares (NYI)
Brad Richards (NYR)
Jason Spezza (OTT)
Kyle Turris (OTT)
Sean Couturier (PHI)

Martin Hanzal (PHX)
Evgeni Malkin (PIT)
Sidney Crosby (PIT)
Joe Thornton (SJS)
David Backes (STL)
Patrik Berglund (STL)
Steven Stamkos (TBL)
Vincent Lecavalier (TBL)
Henrik Sedin (VAN)
Ryan Kesler (VAN)
Mike Ribeiro (WAS)
Nicklas Backstrom (WSH)
Really, Kyle Turris? Mike Fisher? Sean Couturier is a better choice based on the fact he is younger, he is not better than Plekanec.

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07-11-2012, 10:12 AM
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My comments on the bolded players. Plekanec isn't a premier 1st line center, but he is a 1st line center.

You would take Fisher before Plekanec????

Also Roy Ribeiro Duchesne Carter Krejci Bergeron Stastny are in the same ballpark...

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I have much love for Phoenix, but this is like any other team starting a thread asking for a center after removing every valuable piece they have from the table.

Realistically there is what? Two teams in the league with enough depth to move a top 6 center? SJ & COL?
LA says "Hello!"

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O'Reilly > Duchene all things considered.

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My comments on the bolded players. Plekanec isn't a premier 1st line center, but he is a 1st line center.
You asked for 30 better centers than Plekanec and you end up scratching 7 off a list of 36? I guess you made your point: there's not 30 better centers than Plekanec, there's 29.

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You asked for 30 better centers than Plekanec and you end up scratching 7 off a list of 36? I guess you made your point: there's not 30 better centers than Plekanec, there's 29.
still doesn't change the fact that Plekanec is one of the best 2nd line centres and gets looked at as a Selke type player year after year. All while putting up 50+points.

If Plekanec were to be traded to Pheonix it would be for a solid offer of futures (as there is not an upgrade at centre available) so 1st rounders and high end prospects (obviously OEL is not part of that, but all others are)

Note: I do not want Plekanec traded...this year at least, unless it makes the team better NOW

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you won't like any of the proposals habs fans will put forward... Pleks is hugely valuable to us, would take a significant offer to be worth moving him, and with those 4 assets out of the equation, not much left...

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not that i think the yotes would bite, but that would be the kind of asking price it would take.
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You asked for 30 better centers than Plekanec and you end up scratching 7 off a list of 36? I guess you made your point: there's not 30 better centers than Plekanec, there's 29.
I'm with ya!

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You asked for 30 better centers than Plekanec and you end up scratching 7 off a list of 36? I guess you made your point: there's not 30 better centers than Plekanec, there's 29.
Plekanec is better than or equal to many other guys on the list. Backes for example.

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here are Centers I would prefer to Plekanec...

Ryan Getzlaf (ANA)
Tyler Seguin (BOS)
Patrice Bergeron (BOS)
David Krejci (BOS)
Eric Staal (CAR)
Jordan Staal (CAR)
Jonathan Toews (CHI)
Dave Bolland (CHI)
Ryan O'Reilly (COL)
Paul Stastny (COL)
Matt Duchesne (COL)
Derek Roy (DAL)
Pavel Datsyuk (DET)
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (EDM)
Anze Kopitar (LAK)
Mike Richards (LAK)
Jeff Carter (LAK)
Mikko Koivu (MIN)
Mike Fisher (NSH)
John Tavares (NYI)
Brad Richards (NYR)
Jason Spezza (OTT)
Kyle Turris (OTT)
Sean Couturier (PHI)
Martin Hanzal (PHX)
Evgeni Malkin (PIT)
Sidney Crosby (PIT)
Joe Thornton (SJS)
David Backes (STL)
Patrik Berglund (STL)
Steven Stamkos (TBL)
Vincent Lecavalier (TBL)
Henrik Sedin (VAN)
Ryan Kesler (VAN)
Mike Ribeiro (WAS)
Nicklas Backstrom (WSH)
Good job derailing this thread with your terrible list.

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You asked for 30 better centers than Plekanec and you end up scratching 7 off a list of 36? I guess you made your point: there's not 30 better centers than Plekanec, there's 29.
To be fair, the one who posted the list really went to the bottom of the barrel to make his point. Kyle Turris? This has to be a gag.

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here are Centers I would prefer to Plekanec...

Ryan Getzlaf (ANA)
Tyler Seguin (BOS)
Patrice Bergeron (BOS)
David Krejci (BOS)
Eric Staal (CAR)
Jordan Staal (CAR)
Jonathan Toews (CHI)
Dave Bolland (CHI)
Ryan O'Reilly (COL)
Paul Stastny (COL)
Matt Duchesne (COL)
Derek Roy (DAL)
Pavel Datsyuk (DET)
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (EDM)
Anze Kopitar (LAK)
Mike Richards (LAK)
Jeff Carter (LAK)
Mikko Koivu (MIN)
Mike Fisher (NSH)
John Tavares (NYI)
Brad Richards (NYR)
Jason Spezza (OTT)
Kyle Turris (OTT)
Sean Couturier (PHI)
Martin Hanzal (PHX)

Evgeni Malkin (PIT)
Sidney Crosby (PIT)
Joe Thornton (SJS)
David Backes (STL)
Patrik Berglund (STL)
Steven Stamkos (TBL)
Vincent Lecavalier (TBL)
Henrik Sedin (VAN)
Ryan Kesler (VAN)
Mike Ribeiro (WAS)
Nicklas Backstrom (WSH)
The bold ones are beyond laughable stretches.


Plekanec is also pretty much on par with guys like J. Staal, Krejci, O'Reilly, Roy, Duchene, Stasny, Seguin, Carter, Ribeiro...


Really, that list is complete BS.

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The bold ones are beyond laughable stretches.


Plekanec is also pretty much on par with guys like J. Staal, Krejci, O'Reilly, Roy, Duchene, Stasny, Seguin, Carter, Ribeiro...


Really, that list is complete BS.
agreed. where is Grabovsky, Legwand, McClement, Morrison, Cullen and Goligoski


yes I know Goli is a dman, but I can put random names up there too

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still doesn't change the fact that Plekanec is one of the best 2nd line centres and gets looked at as a Selke type player year after year. All while putting up 50+points.

If Plekanec were to be traded to Pheonix it would be for a solid offer of futures (as there is not an upgrade at centre available) so 1st rounders and high end prospects (obviously OEL is not part of that, but all others are)

Note: I do not want Plekanec traded...this year at least, unless it makes the team better NOW
Plekanec would be a welcome addition to many teams in search of a top two-way center and tireless PKer. He is used a lot in Montreal and his value is probably higher among GMs than what you might find from fans of opposing teams. Yet, I don't see how the Coyotes would be the perfect partner for the Canadiens.

Phoenix can afford to trade a D prospect for a top 6. Montreal has plenty of defensemen and are looking for a left winger. Boedker should be their target but it doesn't help the Coyotes much. And since their prospects pool is pretty weak up front, getting rid of next year's picks wouldn't be wise.

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Plekanec would be a welcome addition to many teams in search of a top two-way center and tireless PKer. He is used a lot in Montreal and his value is probably higher among GMs than what you might find from fans of opposing teams. Yet, I don't see how the Coyotes would be the perfect partner for the Canadiens.

Phoenix can afford to trade a D prospect for a top 6. Montreal has plenty of defensemen and are looking for a left winger. Boedker should be their target but it doesn't help the Coyotes much. And since their prospects pool is pretty weak up front, getting rid of next year's picks wouldn't be wise.

I never said Pheonix and Montreal making this kind of deal made sence, but if the Yotes want him, they'd have to pay the price to get him, weather it's something they want to or not is on them.


Remember, the OP stating Maloney wanting a centre was posted by a Coyotes fan, not a Habs fan.

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You asked for 30 better centers than Plekanec and you end up scratching 7 off a list of 36? I guess you made your point: there's not 30 better centers than Plekanec, there's 29.
LOL, at the end of the day Habs don't need to make this deal. If the yotes want Pleks then they MUST overpay. Otherwise, gtfo.

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In the end I just don't see how Pheonix could trade for Plekanec. Horrible trading partners, both stacked on D and lacking on offense. The inevitable outcome of a trade involving Plekanec to the Yotes would be a major hole in the Habs' line-up. Plus, if you make guys such as Gormley and Boedker "intouchables" (really?!) for an established, elite 2nd line center, chances are there won't be any trade, at all.

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Sorry but Yandle is worth more than a 2nd line center, no way Coyotes have to add Runblad and a 1st.

I know you guys don't have a lot of depth at the position but I would think Montreal would trade Plekanec straight for Yandle and try Galchenyuk now before they would even think of asking Phoenix to add to that deal. Not that Phoenix would ever offer the deal to begin with.
So the OP starts by saying Plekanec could be the Yotes' guy and now he's just a second line center. You wouldn't get any deals like that sorry. Maybe he should look at better centers right?


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