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07-11-2012, 02:44 PM
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Remember though he was a stud in Montreal, their #1 shut down guy on the 1st pairing...so something happened when he came here.

To go from being that good, to playing like Aki Berg...dunno wtf happened.
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Remember though he was a stud in Montreal, their #1 shut down guy on the 1st pairing...so something happened when he came here.

To go from being that good, to playing like Aki Berg...dunno wtf happened.
It's called losing Andrei Markov.

Also, Aki Berg was a pretty good defenseman who played solid minutes for 100 point teams and could actually skate.

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Also, Aki Berg was a pretty good defenseman who played solid minutes for 100 point teams and could actually skate.
Aki Berg was the equivalent of Toskala, but on D.

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Komi only had one year in Montreal where he was anything more than a 4/5 dman, and that was in 07/08 when he was a distant #3 behind Markov and Hamrlik, and he had that year playing beside a norris trophy candidate and in front of a vezina candidate.

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Komi only had one year in Montreal where he was anything more than a 4/5 dman, and that was in 07/08 when he was a distant #3 behind Markov and Hamrlik, and he had that year playing beside a norris trophy candidate and in front of a vezina candidate.
I'll have to disagree, because he was Markovs' partner for the most part, and Markov was on the first pairing. Hamrlik was on the 2nd pairing. Komi was on the first pairing in 06/07 and 07/08 and 08/09 most of the time in 3 of his 4 years as a Hab. He was also a + in all his Hab seasons except his first, when he was a -1. In most cases, 4/5 dmen are not pluses.

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It's easy to figure out what happened.. Ron Wilson..

Source? Randy Carlyle when he got Beauchemin back in Anaheim.

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07-11-2012, 03:09 PM
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He'll never bounce back in the eyes of this place as there is little to no value or understanding on how how defence is played.

That said, Komisarek likely won't be a top shutdown guy again (game has gotten too fast for him), but Carlyle's structured D-zone coverage should make him seem a little less terrible.

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Think he's been here long enough to be past the bounce back hope. If he bounces period and doesn't suck then that will be nice.

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Aki Berg was the equivalent of Toskala, but on D.
Watch the games again. He was actually pretty competent.

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it is a contract year so maybe

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I'll have to disagree, because he was Markovs' partner for the most part, and Markov was on the first pairing. Hamrlik was on the 2nd pairing. Komi was on the first pairing in 06/07 and 07/08 and 08/09 most of the time in 3 of his 4 years as a Hab. He was also a + in all his Hab seasons except his first, when he was a -1. In most cases, 4/5 dmen are not pluses.
The game has evolved so much over the past few years. The speed of play is so fast and if you have skating deficiencies you're going to get exposed 5 on 5 and thats what essentially has happened to Komisarek. He just doesnt have the skating capabilities or puck skills to be heavily relied upon at even strength.

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With Komisarek, Connolly, Lombardi, Liles, Franson, along with Reimer and Kulemin all scheduled to have bounce back years, things should look pretty promising in Toronto this season.

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Ahhhh "the yearly Mike Komisarek, bounce back year" thread.
Yeah. Pretty much this.


I don't see how he could all of a sudden be better.

Just plain no from me.

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Aki Berg was the equivalent of Toskala, but on D.
Not even close.

Aki Berg was average. Not horrible and not great on most nights.

Toskala?

No.

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Ron Wilson + Injuries ... he'll be fine this year. As long as he's insulated. Simplifies his game - I think he's gonna surprise a lot of people.

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We don't need the cap space, so no point in buying Komi out. Let's give him another chance to rebound. Carlyle played him over Franson last season, so he must like him, so I expect Komi to be given a shot to prove himself and hopefully he responds.

He has proven he can be a top 4 guy in this league, let's hope he can regain his form.

He plays the kind of game Carlyle likes, physical, defensive hockey, he is a good shot blocker and is a stay at home defensive defenseman. So let's hope he can thrive under Carlyle's system, because it is better suited for his game then Wilson's run n gun style.

I still think he can be a bottom pairing guy for us, and it gives someone like Holzer competition, instead of just handing him the spot pretty much. So let Holzer and Komi battle it out for the last spot and whoever loses gets put in the press box. He gives us depth, and I think he is a better option overall then some of the Marlies players, he allows them to continue to develop instead of us rushing them and having them sit in the press box and not be able to develop properly. This way a guy like Blacker can have another year to develop and get top minutes down with the Marlies.

Komi's value is so low right now, so might as well since we don't need the cap space, we might as well let him try and bounce back and if he does then we can try trading him again when his value is higher or let him play as a bottom pairing guy for us and help our team.

Komi also adds leadership to the team, something that came into question for us last season, if we get rid of him, we only really have Phaneuf as a leader on the team, since we loss Army.

Does anyone know if Holzer has to pass through waivers to get sent down? I know he has a 1 way contract but I saw someone say he doesn't have to go through waivers. :S

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I'll have to disagree, because he was Markovs' partner for the most part, and Markov was on the first pairing. Hamrlik was on the 2nd pairing. Komi was on the first pairing in 06/07 and 07/08 and 08/09 most of the time in 3 of his 4 years as a Hab. He was also a + in all his Hab seasons except his first, when he was a -1. In most cases, 4/5 dmen are not pluses.
Komi has only twice played more than 20mpg in his career. That is borderline top-4 minutes....and that was at his peak.

02-03 - 20yr old Komi gets his first taste of NHL action as a limited minute injury fill in, a year after being drafted as an overager

1) Brisebois 73gms, 23:23
2) Markov 79gms, 23:17
3) Rivet 82gms, 22:00
4) Traverse 65gms, 20:12
5) Quintal 67gms, 18:38
6) Dykhuis 65gms, 15:00
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7) Bouillon 20gms, 20:24
8) Komisarek 21gms, 16:42
9) Hainsey 21gms, 12:25


03-04 - 21yr old Komi gets a fulltime roster spot as the 7th dman but can't crack the top-6

1) Souray 63gms, 23:26
2) Markov 69gms, 21:29
3) Brisebois 71gms, 21:20
4) Quintal 73gms, 20:38
5) Bouillon 73gms, 19:39
6) Rivet 80gms, 19:28
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7) Komisarek 46gms, 12:00
8) Hainsey 11gms, 13:15
9) Dykhuis 9gms, 13:02


05-06 - 23yr old Komi squeezes into the starting lineup, getting sheltered minutes as the distant 6th dman. Probably shouldn't have been ahead of Streit, but hey, he was a 7th overall pick!

1) Markov 67gms, 23:33
2) Rivet 82gms, 22:27
3) Souray 75gms, 22:15
4) Bouillon 67gms, 20:47
5) Dandenault 82gms, 18:38
6) Komisarek 71gms, 14:40
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7) Streit 48gms, 14:36
8) Simpson 6gms, 15:59
9) Cote 8gms, 11:02


06-07 - 24yr old Komi starts earning more minutes and ekes by the physical but tiny Bouillon for borderline top-4 status. Streit continues to get the shaft and plays much of the time as a forward.

1) Markov 77gms, 24:29
2) Souray 81gms, 23;11
3) Rivet 54gms, 21:04
4) Komisarek 82gms, 19:16
5) Bouillon 62gms, 18:19
6) Dandenault 68gms, 16:07
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7) Niinimaa 41gms, 14:51
8) Streit 76gms, 14:01
9) Gorges 7gms, 12:28


07-08 - 25yr old Komi finally becomes more than a borderline top-4 dman...for one year he plays a fulltime role in a partnership with norris candidate Markov earning him the most minutes of his career....but still not legit top-pair minutes.

1) Markov 82gms, 24:58
2) Hamrlik 77gms, 23:08
3) Komisarek 75gms, 21:09
4) Streit 81gms, 17:31
5) Bouillon 74gms, 17:22
6) Gorges 62gms, 16:20
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7) Brisebois 43gms, 16:50
8) O'Byrne 33gms, 13:24


08-09 - 26yr old Komi starts losing ground and falls right back down to borderline top-4 status...the habs trade for Schneider to play ahead of him, and by the end of the year 24 year old physical defensive Gorges has passed him and plays more minutes than him in the playoffs.

1) Markov 78gms, 24:38
2) Hamrlik 81gms, 21:55
3) Schneider 23gms, 20:57
4) Komisarek 66gms, 20:37
5) Gorges 81gms, 20:08
6) Bouillon 54gms, 16:30
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7) Brisebois 62gms, 15:54
8) O'Byrne 37gms, 15:06

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it is a contract year so maybe
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Who was the dewd on this board that created that "inglorious basterds"/"inglorious blue-line" avatar years ago? Are they posting in this thread?

Also LOL.

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That long.....Thought he was done next season. I know Connolly and Lombardi are gone for sure so that will clear to 7 or 8 million. I think we're learning from our past mistakes. Not signing bad UFA's for the sake of doing something.

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he does some thing very well out there and is tough on the boards. also pinches well. if he just keeps it simple he could be very valuable. we'll see.

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I really think and hope Komisarek is going to bounce back this year. First year with Leafs had a major injury, second year or third year with Leafs was accused of hitting a girl and was just completely lost under Wilson.

He was #1 shutdown guy in Montreal, then came to the circus that is Toronto and flopped miserably, for whatever reasons.

I think playing systems under Carlysle will get him back to his old form, because that run-n-gun style of Wilson he was like a chicken with no head.

Anyone else rooting for him to succeed this time? Because if you saw him Montreal, you know what his potential is. He's always been a team first guy, hence his beatings from Lucic.
Ive silently rooted for Big Mike from the beginning of his troubles in Toronto. He didn't sign here to play 8 minutes a night. Not getting the chance to establish a rhythm after recouping compounded his issues, but with Schenn gone, and ample opportunity to seize the moment under a system which embraces his attributes, I think he's going to vindicate himself...I really believe it is attainable.

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Someone I know saw Komisarek driving around in his Range Rover. License plate is a Leafs logo and 8DMK....no joke.

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I really think and hope Komisarek is going to bounce back this year. First year with Leafs had a major injury, second year or third year with Leafs was accused of hitting a girl and was just completely lost under Wilson.

He was #1 shutdown guy in Montreal, then came to the circus that is Toronto and flopped miserably, for whatever reasons.

I think playing systems under Carlysle will get him back to his old form, because that run-n-gun style of Wilson he was like a chicken with no head.

Anyone else rooting for him to succeed this time? Because if you saw him Montreal, you know what his potential is. He's always been a team first guy, hence his beatings from Lucic.
I'd agree for the most part. Komisarek's biggest problem under Wilson was that he was never put in a position to succeed. Not only does Wilson's style contradict Komisarek's, but he rarely got the opportunity to play with Kaberle, and then when we acquired Phaneuf, became priority #3 behind him & Schenn.

With Schenn gone, and a defence that all of a sudden lacks a bit of physicality, Komisarek should play a much bigger role and gain a lot of confidence as a result.

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With Komisarek, Connolly, Lombardi, Liles, Franson, along with Reimer and Kulemin all scheduled to have bounce back years, things should look pretty promising in Toronto this season.
You're right Mess, nobody will bounce back.

FIRE BORKE!

But really, in your pessimistic mind do you believe that they're all lost causes?

Franson doesn't have to bounce back- he was fine when he played, and he's young and will progress. Komisarek? He'll likely be better, albeit still not a great defenceman, under Carlyle. Lombardi likely won't be here, but wouldn't you expect him to be at least a BIT better given that his career was supposed to be done and he missed all of training camp? Connolly, also probably won't be here, but he doesn't have a ton to bounce back to either. He was just fine, and certainly wasn't given a half-decently long look with Phil and Lupul. Reimer, I wouldn't say has to bounce back, but has to prove himself anew. He's a major question mark. Kulemin- he progressed nicely in his first few years in the NHL, very consistently, then had a huge year and last year had a completely off year. You don't think he'll improve from last year? Liles was fantastic prior to the injury- definitely one of our best defenders. He came back after (IIRC) a concusion and wasn't anywhere close to what he was prior. Do you not think an offseason without getting pounded around every day would help?

Does it not seem like a lot of these players have the odds in their favor, Mess? No I don't expect Komisaki to become a beastly shutdown D-man but I'd think in a defensive system, a defensive D-man would be better. Logical, no?

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