Agreed. He might not fit HFboards definition since he hasn't played sixty-five games but the kid lost his rookie status and basically earned a full-time spot on the team. As I said in an earlier thread if O'Brien is considered a prospect then Cowen should be too regardless of the fact that he has played over sixty-five games because he is younger and has a higher ceiling.
How does playing in sixty-five games even make a player no longer a prospect? So say Edmonton is the worst team in the league and they rush an eighteen year old into the league forcing him to play a full NHL schedule. By this poll's definition the kid is no longer a prospect despite the fact he has tons of room to grow into an actual NHL player?
Voted Wiercioch because I think the guy finally has the size to become an effective NHL defenseman and he played well the few times he was up in Ottawa. All he needs to do is stay healthy this season so he can gain some confidence by playing as a mature player in the AHL.
Last edited by WantEggRoll: 07-11-2012 at 09:18 PM.
He fits the criteria. He's a prospect. Saying it feels stupid to vote for a prospect as a top prospect is like saying it feels stupid to vote for Wiercioch because his name is weird.
O'Brien only played 34 NHL games, Filatov has more games, Da Costa has many games too, Wiercioch has a few, etc
Why should we eject all the prospects that have a bit of experience in the NHL? HF made those criterias based on something... There was a thought process behind this
How many posts have we read "I can't believe Player X is still a prospect"
Ok we got it, let's move on. There's criterias, we decided to follow them since we are on HF, that's all
Literally the only criteria in this poll is 'player has to match HF's definition of prospect'
Hell, last year people were trying to argue that it was a travesty that Corey Locke was left out, but this year people are *****ing about JOB being part of the poll?
It's Jim O'Brien. It was Jim O'Brien several slots ago.
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Literally the only criteria in this poll is 'player has to match HF's definition of prospect'
Hell, last year people were trying to argue that it was a travesty that Corey Locke was left out, but this year people are *****ing about JOB being part of the poll?
Well, they were clueless because Locke didn't even fit the age criteria, he was already too old (he's 28 years old). He has NEVER been a prospect for the Sens.
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If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.
Not complicated...
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Originally Posted by N Bahn Ahden
Everything. You have to consider all factors that give that player value to organization.
Wiercioch, again, for me.
This and the most important factor IMO is and should be potential/upside.
Would you bet
5$ to make possibly 10$ (let's say chances are 50%)
or
10$ to make possibly 200$ (let's say chances are 20%)
I'm not really complaining about the fact that O'Brien is still included in the poll because according to HF he fits the definition. I'm just not voting for him because he doesn't fit my definition of a prospect. If you're going to host a poll based on public opinion then you can't really get annoyed when people don't agree with you. My post before was just a statement as to why I don't agree with HF's definition.
Basically these polls seem to just be a popularity contest anyways considering there is no established process by which we are to measure what makes one prospect better then another. Is it upside? Is it NHL readiness? Everyone is basing their vote on completely different criteria making the entire process kind of a wash. Oh well it is always fun to have a list at the end of the summer I suppose.
Is the vote for highest ceiling? Most likely to make the NHL? Most skill?
Most likely to be the best NHL player.
If that means a big, defensive player looks like he'll be a 4th liner. But a huge longshot, 1-way, midget prospect who has little chance of becoming a 2nd liner (but would have to be one if he made it as an NHL'er by some miracle).
I'm personally voting for the likely 4th line NHL'er over the likely AHL scorer.
