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07-13-2012, 06:45 AM
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Not sure if serious, or trolling.

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07-13-2012, 06:51 AM
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"Welcome by Leafnation"???

Not nice to do. That is a misleading title thread, you will find out real quick we don't like that around here.

Don't do it.
LOL! Or else, the Misleading Thread Title Police will ridicule and shame you. Man up guy. Plus, I think the question marks made it pretty clear for those of us who understand punctuation.

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07-13-2012, 06:53 AM
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No thanks. He could be a good piece on a team with a young, talented starting goalie, but we don't have one of those so, pass.

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07-13-2012, 06:55 AM
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Hope he stays far away from TO.

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If you gave Wilson the Halak we saw in those playoffs we'd have won the Cup.

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ummmm no. this is absurd. i'd take tretiak or bower back first

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07-13-2012, 07:29 AM
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Wrong. What he's going to change and much of that has to do with roster change is to not rely so heavily for offense off the rush. Defensive zone coverage for the most part is the same from team to team, the strategy or "System" that so many people are hung up on and over analyze to death is what to do through the neutral zone how deep do you send checkers, trap or left wing lock etc. which during the course of the game in todays NHL game teams change it up based on the score of the game. I guess you would be shocked to know that the Leafs played the trap to hold leads under Wilson. The problem wasn't system that's why Burke is looking for size up front which he was looking for even before Wilson was fired.

This team was bad defensively per say for the same reason why they weren't so good on the offensive cycle the forwards were no good on the wall leaving the D high and dry of support to do the simple task of getting the puck out of the zone that's why the team spent too much time being hemmed into there own zone something that changing the "SYSTEM" wont improve but player change will.

There's no miracle system that will fix a flawed roster of so many forwards who don't work well on the wall rather because of size or not.

This team under Carlyle will still for-check and be aggressive, yes even the D will pinch to maintain the cycle in the offense zone which will be part of the fix defensively to spend more time in the oppositions zone wearing them out as appose to it happening to us like it has. There wont be a drastic change in the way the team plays, that type of drastic change doesn't exist most teams play the same way anyway they're just better or worst at it than other teams and have better or worst goaltending that is the difference from team to team. "SYSTEM" is over scrutinized. LA didn't win because of SYSTEM, in fact they were so damn close to missing the playoffs.
I agree that the obsession with "systems" exhibited in this forum is way off the mark.

Coaches in the NHL have less of a personalized system than they have situational tendencies. For all the talk about Wilson playing a "run and gun system," Wilson coached like a 90's era Scotty Bowman with the lead. And Carlyle's coaching will likely raise the stats of our top two lines because of match-up tendencies, despite all the talk about his "defensive system".

What people really need to understand is that Wilson was fired because the team played like **** the second half last year, plain and simple. It wouldn't have mattered who the coach was or what "system" was in place. Ultimately, the team has to go out there and play hockey. There's no formula for winning a hockey game. The only variables are whether our team has the will and the skill to win, and we ain't got it.

My main issue is with our lack of effectiveness along the half-boards in our own zone and in the low corners of the offensive zone, but that's a topic for another post. We just don't have those players.

Honestly, the way people talk about "Wilson's system" you'd think he told his players to not even play D. and that's simply not the case for any NHL coach. Wilson is a good coach; it's our team that sucks.

Edit: sp/formatting


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07-13-2012, 07:31 AM
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HELL NO.
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07-13-2012, 07:53 AM
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lol............



Definitely time to see if Reimer and or Scrivens can handle the load.

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Hey I am 50, and this is crazy... but here's my agent, so sign me maybe?
Well done.

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07-13-2012, 08:01 AM
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Not really a realistic comparison, I doubt you've dedicated you life to playing Ice Hockey at an elite level? but happy to be corrected...
I understand you are from England, but around here, we just call it Hockey...

And to answer your original question, no thanks. Wouldn't have taken him in his prime.

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07-13-2012, 08:05 AM
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I understand you are from England, but around here, we just call it Hockey...

And to answer your original question, no thanks. Wouldn't have taken him in his prime.
lol who gives a **** if he said Ice Hockey or Hockey....



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07-13-2012, 08:16 AM
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lol who gives a **** if he said Ice Hockey or Hockey....


It's a pet peeve of mine. We don't call soccer "European Football" or baseball "pointless"... wait, we do on the second one.

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07-13-2012, 08:18 AM
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lol who gives a **** if he said Ice Hockey or Hockey....


In Canada, no one calls it ice hockey.

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In Canada, no one calls it ice hockey.
So? It's worthy of quoting and telling some one it's called Hockey, not Ice Hockey? hahahahaha


lots of laughs when I come here at least.

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I'd sign him 1 year 2 mill and have him as a third stringer. Maybe throw him 10 games or more if he exceeds expectations. I really doubt it happens though

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07-13-2012, 08:24 AM
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I think that we are gunna see how bright Brian Burke is around the 2014 - 15 season. I hope its not too late by then..

Lupul - Getzlaf/Zajac/Fisher/Ribeiro - Kessel
Kadri - Colborne - Ashton
Frattin - Bozak - Biggs
Mcclement - Steckel - Ross

Rielly - Phaneuf
Gunnarson - Gardiner
Finn - Percy

Reimer
Scrivens



In all seriousness, I think around this time when we see the waves of Burke prospects hit the NHL, everyone will be much more impressed.
That's great and all but if that is the team they ice in 3 years then the playoff drought will continue. Other teams can put up similar if not better rosters easily.

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07-13-2012, 08:25 AM
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I agree that the obsession with "systems" exhibited in this forum is way off the mark.

Coaches in the NHL have less of a personalized system than they have situational tendencies. For all the talk about Wilson playing a "run and gun system," Wilson coached like a 90's era Scotty Bowman with the lead. And Carlyle's coaching will likely raise the stats of our top two lines because of match-up tendencies, despite all the talk about his "defensive system".

What people really need to understand is that Wilson was fired because the team played like **** the second half last year, plain and simple. It wouldn't have mattered who the coach was or what "system" was in place. Ultimately, the team has to go out there and play hockey. There's no formula for winning a hockey game. The only variables are whether our team has the will and the skill to win, and we ain't got it.

My main issue is with our lack of effectiveness along the half-boards in our own zone and in the low corners of the offensive zone, but that's a topic for another post. We just don't have those players.

Honestly, the way people talk about "Wilson's system" you'd think he told his players to not even play D. and that's simply not the case for any NHL coach. Wilson is a good coach; it's our team that sucks.

Edit: sp/formatting
Phil Kessel's great. He was a PPG player last year, 6th in league in scoring, ahead of a lot of great players. But Phil Kessel is the most frustrating player to watch without the puck. His patented slash to the gloves is his best defensive move, as if the behemoths that play in the NHL today will be phased by that. There's no question that our team needs Phil Kessel to win, but he's definitely not the type of player we need to play an effective board game, which was, in my opinion, the single most important absence from our team's play during the second half of last year. I think it was our board game, especially our inability to retrieve pucks in the offensive zone, that lost us the season. I don't mean to single out Phil Kessel; he's just a good example. Our wingers just aren't that good at one really important thing that good teams' wingers are really good at: puck retrieval. Kulemin was amazing at retrieving pucks two years ago but we have no way of knowing whether he'll return to form. Lupul's not that guy, c'mon. Lupul and Kessel have to play off the rush; it's how they managed to score so much together. My point is: that's not a systems thing, it's a personnel thing. Carlyle's probably going to let them do it too -- he has to, it's who they are. We need better board play from our wingers in the offensive zone and along the half-wall on the breakout. I hope our wingers can step up next year in that regard, but I would prefer we trade for one who can do the job.

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07-13-2012, 08:26 AM
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So? It's worthy of quoting and telling some one it's called Hockey, not Ice Hockey? hahahahaha


lots of laughs when I come here at least.
He said his reasons for quoting it. He is entitled to do it. I wouldn't go to a European football forum and call it soccer.

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Allaire and Hasek would get along awesome!

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That's great and all but if that is the team they ice in 3 years then the playoff drought will continue. Other teams can put up similar if not better rosters easily.
Yeah, I agree, I'd be really surprised if our roster looked like that.

We have no way of knowing what will happen with those players in the future. That roster looks more like our current prospects depth chart than a projection of our roster 3 years down the road.

I love how there are all these amazing players at 1C: acquire any and all the Cs!

Edit: I just noticed that one is Ribeiro. HA!


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Hello,

I think most agree that the Leafs need to find an experienced veteran Goalie for next year I for one was not happy with the inexperienced tandem of Monster and Reimer last year and don't see a Reimer/Scrivens tandem as any sort of upgrade.

Canucks seem to want too much for Luongo, I think this is borne out by no teams meeting their evaluation so far - surely they must want to move him so they can free up some cap for upgrading other areas of their team?

Which leads me to Hasek - it's reported with Miller indisputably Sabres No. 1 the 47year old Hasek is not going back to Buffulo.

Clearly his age and desire for a multiyear deal go against him but as things stand for the Leafs right now and their options in upgrading the goaltending position being limited to say the least I for one would love to see Hasek wearing Blue and White, Johnny Bower was 45 when he played his last full season for the Leafs, Hasek is 2x years older but with advances in sports medical science these days surely physically he must be younger than his age.

Interested to see how others would feel about Hasek in Leafland!
Hasek only makes sense as a depth guy on a team contending for a cup. Huge gamble to try and cash in on former glory. If Thomas is definitely not returning BOS should maybe consider this option as a guy to play 18-20 games behind Rask.

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He said his reasons for quoting it. He is entitled to do it. I wouldn't go to a European football forum and call it soccer.
my point is: who gives a **** if he calls it ice hockey or hockey?

That shouldn't be something that should tie someones panties all up in knots.

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