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07-12-2012, 12:40 PM
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After watching the video.

Likes: His shot, speed, sniping ability, he went to the net in a lot of them, a lot were critical goals, only ONE empty netter.

Dislikes: only 10 i his last 29 (which still equates to a 28-goal pace).

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07-12-2012, 12:44 PM
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Carlyle got fired for a reason. You don't think he maybe looked back at his coaching anbd reflected on what didn't work? Carlyle seemed to be smiling and joking around a bit which isn't his usual style.

I don't understand why people automatically assume he's going to bury Kessel any more than Wilson did when Phil started slumping.

I think the 600G and 1400P is a little bloated but I don't think 500 and 1100 is out of the question.

I can't see Phil ever scoring in the 100P range. Think about how few players have done it since the lockout. There were a ton (11?) the year after the lockout and it's really calmed down since. 40/50 or 50/40 seems like his max.

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07-12-2012, 12:46 PM
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After watching the video.

Likes: His shot, speed, sniping ability, he went to the net in a lot of them, a lot were critical goals, only ONE empty netter.

Dislikes: only 10 i his last 29 (which still equates to a 28-goal pace).
and that didnt have much to do with lupul going down and him playing hurt

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I posted after Carlyle arrived here that I believe him and Carlyle will not see eye to eye at all.
Hopefully it goes better then the last time Kessel played for a trapping line matching coach huh? That's how e wound up here..

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and that didnt have much to do with lupul going down and him playing hurt
Exactly. Maybe Carlyle's system too.

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Teemu Selanne. That name should be enough to tell you skilled player like Kessel can easily get along with Carlyle.
Not the same type of player....in that Selanne would do what ever it took to score a goal as well as always took a hit to make a play and did not simply toss the puck away. He also plays with more of an edge.

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Hopefully it goes better then the last time Kessel played for a trapping line matching coach huh? That's how e wound up here..
so weird seeing your name as a normal member....you are my idol as a mod

Back to the discussion. The slump towards the end was with the entire team and also with lupul going down I believe. I think he can thrive under carlyle and learn proper defense with him.

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Notice how many of the goals he scored were big. To tie the game,or give our team a 1 goal lead. Rarely when the game is already sealed.

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Hopefully it goes better then the last time Kessel played for a trapping line matching coach huh? That's how e wound up here..
I really do not think most people get this yet!

I know some people feel that Carlyle has changed....but I will believe that when I see it. When push comes to shove he will go with what worked best for him. Similar to many other very successful coaches....not well liked by his players but effective coaches because they push.

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I really do not think most people get this yet!

I know some people feel that Carlyle has changed....but I will believe that when I see it. When push comes to shove he will go with what worked best for him. Similar to many other very successful coaches....not well liked by his players but effective coaches because they push.
This whole mentality on Carlyle is overblown.

He isn't a pure trap/defensive coach, Burke even said it himself.

I think the year's that Getz/Perry/Selanne/ and even Andy Macdonald had for Anaheim suggest his top guys can still produce with the best of them.

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07-12-2012, 01:08 PM
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Dislikes: only 10 i his last 29 (which still equates to a 28-goal pace).
Half the team was injured, including his line-mate and only other 1st-line forward Lupul, he was injured himself and playing through injury (wrist I think, which would hurt his shot even more...), and the team itself was in a downward spiral. And he still kept up his PPG pace.

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This whole mentality on Carlyle is overblown.

He isn't a pure trap/defensive coach, Burke even said it himself.

I think the year's that Getz/Perry/Selanne/ and even Andy Macdonald had for Anaheim suggest his top guys can still produce with the best of them.
By the same token Kessel had 36 playing under Julien, regardless of their differences. Granted with Savard centring, but also 3 years less experience. So he has had success in a similar style before. Just didn't like it... at the time.

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This whole mentality on Carlyle is overblown.

He isn't a pure trap/defensive coach, Burke even said it himself.

I think the year's that Getz/Perry/Selanne/ and even Andy Macdonald had for Anaheim suggest his top guys can still produce with the best of them.
Carlyle is a coach that matches lines and ice time of his shut down line goes up and his top line goes down. He also wants a player to battle for loose pucks and to play in all 3 zones. He also is the boss and players will soon learn that. I say Kessel and Dion are both in for a rude awaking.

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07-12-2012, 01:17 PM
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Carlyle is a coach that matches lines and ice time of his shut down line goes up and his top line goes down.
Interesting, since Kessel's ice time went up considerably from his average after Carlyle took over, even while Kessel was playing injured.

May want to check your other facts and baseless claims on how Carlyle will run the team behind the scenes that you never see.

The only thing you got right is that Carlyle likes matching lines, but that will help Kessel more than hurt him.

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I think Kessel will top off at 45 goals, 55 assists.

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Kessel will never be a difference maker until he is willing to go to the dirty areas on the ice as well as be willing to take a check to make a play, something he has yet shown a willingness to do.

His numbers this year was a result of him playing for a coach who allowed him to play in one zone only and his coach this year will have none of that. He will be hard pressed to achieve the same point total this coming year under Carlyle. Also Carlyle is a line matcher which will see his average ice time a game drop.

I love Kessel's skill.....but not a fan of his overall game.

I posted after Carlyle arrived here that I believe him and Carlyle will not see eye to eye at all.
Did you see the video?


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Exactly. Maybe Carlyle's system too.
even with carlyle's system, kessel was still a ppg player. his goals (pro-rated) went down but his assists went up. even in a more defensive system, he was still finding people so i don't know if it was the system. we might need a greater sample size.

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07-12-2012, 04:03 PM
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Kessel is an elite talent who can score a lot even when playing with AHL talent. He's pretty special to watch.

I also happen to think he's the most underrated player in the league.

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