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07-13-2012, 09:18 AM
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An Oilers fan offered 2 1sts, PRV, and a mid prospect for Luongo.

I would probably do it. Potentially 2 top 10 picks?
Not enough imo.

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07-13-2012, 09:18 AM
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An Oilers fan offered 2 1sts, PRV, and a mid prospect for Luongo.

I would probably do it. Potentially 2 top 10 picks?
I bet you would. The Oilers wouldn't, that's for sure.

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I wouldn't take Luongo for free

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Not a fan of either team, but a buddy of mine suggested this at the bar last night and I wanted to gauge peoples' opinion of this.

To Edmonton:
Roberto Luongo

To Vancouver:
Taylor Hall

Thoughts? Who adds and how much?

Curious for both EDM and VAN fans opinions but also other fans, as this seems like a pretty fair trade IMO.
Taylor Hall is 13 years younger, why in the world does Edmonton make this trade?
Luongo doesn't have the value that Hall does, not even close.

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I would like to get Luongo but not at the price of one of the big four.

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To Van - PRV, 2013 1st, 2014 1st, maybe a middle prospect

To EDM - Luongo

Van clears cap space to trade for a Nash or a D.

EDM gives up some future to prove they want to win now.
No offense, but YO what is this can't believe an Oilers fan would give up that much for Luongo and his contract, LOL.

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07-13-2012, 09:26 AM
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I honestly don't know why people on a forum try to outbluff each other. It's ridiculous.

Anybody with a shred of common sense know Lu wants to leave, or Gillis wants him traded.

He'll be gone before the season starts.
Bingo. He's been quite polite about the whole trade request but there's no way he's coming back to Vancouver. And when he gets traded it'll be for a cap dump and a C prospect instead of the multiple first round picks / top prospects that some people here are dreaming about.

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07-13-2012, 09:27 AM
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It's a little exasperating how every now and then some new faces show up and start blasting Luongo's contract without knowing anything more than "10 years".

It has been discussed numerous times that it's a cap-circumvention contract, he even said in an interview the contract is longer than he'd want to play for.

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07-13-2012, 09:28 AM
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Seriously, no team brings a player back into the dressing room for a new season when that player has requested to be moved, for whatever reason. It doesn't happen.
Why not? He hasn't thrown any teammates under the bus or the organization. He's still a tremendous Goaltender and would certainly be a professional about it.

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07-13-2012, 09:29 AM
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I honestly don't know why people on a forum try to outbluff each other. It's ridiculous.

Anybody with a shred of common sense know Lu wants to leave, or Gillis wants him traded.

He'll be gone before the season starts.



A bluff implies deception. There's no deception in saying Luongo is currently under contract to the Canucks and will perform to his duties therein. If that means he has to be here to start the season -- then that's exactly what's going to happen. You may not like it. In fact, _he_ may not like it. Doesn't matter in either case because MG is his boss.


It's all on Gillis. He holds Luongo's rights. If he wants to move him during the offseason, he will. If he wants to waive him, he will. If he wants to keep him to start the season... he will.

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07-13-2012, 09:32 AM
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The Canucks wouldn't make a trade that would improve the Oilers by that margin.
Oh yes, it's the Canucks who wouldn't make that trade.

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07-13-2012, 09:36 AM
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Not a fan of either team, but a buddy of mine suggested this at the bar last night and I wanted to gauge peoples' opinion of this.

To Edmonton:
Roberto Luongo

To Vancouver:
Taylor Hall

Thoughts? Who adds and how much?

Curious for both EDM and VAN fans opinions but also other fans, as this seems like a pretty fair trade IMO.
How is this a remotely fair trade? Vancouver trades their backup goalie for a top 6 forward with potential to be a star? More like Hall for Edler.

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07-13-2012, 09:37 AM
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A bluff implies deception. There's no deception in saying Luongo is currently under contract to the Canucks and will perform to his duties therein. If that means he has to be here to start the season -- then that's exactly what's going to happen. You may not like it. In fact, _he_ may not like it. Doesn't matter in either case because MG is his boss.


It's all on Gillis. He holds Luongo's rights. If he wants to move him during the offseason, he will. If he wants to waive him, he will. If he wants to keep him to start the season... he will.
Except that according to Luongo they have a mutual agreement that he will be traded.

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07-13-2012, 09:39 AM
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I personally have zero interest in the Oilers aquiring Luongo (and Luongo wouldn't want to be here anyways) but the fact is he asked for a trade. That sets the term for the bargain right there. You will never get fair value for a player that publically wants out. Not to mention his gargantuan contract. Hypothetically if there was a trade to be made it would involve the Canucks taking back salary (Horcoff likely and he's from BC) and Hall/Eberle/RNH/Yakupov are ABSOLUTELY off the table!!

I'd be loathe to even send them a first rounder with Paajarvi let alone two but I would part with 1 on the term that it is lottery-protected.

My two cents.

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07-13-2012, 09:41 AM
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A bluff implies deception. There's no deception in saying Luongo is currently under contract to the Canucks and will perform to his duties therein. If that means he has to be here to start the season -- then that's exactly what's going to happen. You may not like it. In fact, _he_ may not like it. Doesn't matter in either case because MG is his boss.


It's all on Gillis. He holds Luongo's rights. If he wants move him during the offseason, he will. If he wants to waive him, he will. If he wants to keep him to start the season... he will.
You're over-estimating Gillis' leverage. Pro sports doesn't work like that at all. You can't keep Luongo in the locker room if he doesn't want to be there. A cup contender and cap team with $5.3m in pouting back-up goalie wasted cap space. Sure, technically Luongo is obligated to show up for camp and do his job, but Gillis is a fool if he doesn't trade him by October. He could go on waivers too and that says a lot about what his trade value is.

In any case, as soon as they started Schneider against LA, the writing was on the wall. Heck, for once, Luongo wasn't to blame for how the series had gone. The team doesn't believe in the goalie to win the big game and the goalie doesn't want to be a back-up.

Barring a reconciliation, there's no way he's on the Canucks at the beginning of the season. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

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07-13-2012, 09:45 AM
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If the Oilers offer PRV, two 1sts and a mid level prospect to top it off, Mike Gillis takes it and run.

And that other offer with Taylor Hall? It's so bad for the Oilers it makes me, a Canucks fan, cringe.

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How is this a remotely fair trade? Vancouver trades their backup goalie for a top 6 forward with potential to be a star? More like Hall for Edler.
He is a "backup" only in the sense we have two elite goaltenders. It is akin to saying Price was a backup when Halak stole the show or that Rask is one now. Granted, Schneider has a lot to prove, thus by a elite I specifically mean in potential. Either way, I agree this is a poor trade for Edmonton. Hall does more for you guys than Luongo would however purely due to our rivalry, it does make sense Vancouver would demand something steep. It would never happen though.

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Except that according to Luongo they have a mutual agreement that he will be traded.

A mutual agreement to be traded... not _when_ to be traded. A key difference.



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You're over-estimating Gillis' leverage. Pro sports doesn't work like that at all. You can't keep Luongo in the locker room if he doesn't want to be there. A cup contender and cap team with $5.3m in pouting back-up goalie wasted cap space. Sure, technically Luongo is obligated to show up for camp and do his job, but Gillis is a fool if he doesn't trade him by October. He could go on waivers too and that says a lot about what his trade value is.

In any case, as soon as they started Schneider against LA, the writing was on the wall. Heck, for once, Luongo wasn't to blame for how the series had gone. The team doesn't believe in the goalie to win the big game and the goalie doesn't want to be a back-up.

Barring a reconciliation, there's no way he's on the Canucks at the beginning of the season. Zero. Zilch. Nada.



Whiny Luongo.

Distracted room.

No leverage.

Don't know pro sports.

MG a fool if not traded by Oct.

Writing on the wall.


etc...



All supposition and conjecture. I will rebut by saying this:


Luongo is under contract to the Canucks. Period.



Until you can refute _that_ particular statement, you've got nothing. That is the cold hard truth of this case. It's something people have been trying to obfuscate for multiple threads now, but to no avail. He is under contract and Gillis can do whatever he wants based on that premise alone. He needs nothing else.


For anyone to say 100% that Luongo must be traded during the offseason, they must be Mike Gillis. Are you MG?

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Barring a reconciliation, there's no way he's on the Canucks at the beginning of the season. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
This is where you're getting lost. Luongo has an excellent relationship with his teammates, the coaches and management. He's not wanting out because he's unhappy with anyone, he's wanting out because he realizes Cory Schneider is a star in the making and he took his job. That, and apparently he wants to be closer to Florida for family reasons.

There's no reconciliation needed. Luongo's not unhappy with anyone.

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Not a fan of either team, but a buddy of mine suggested this at the bar last night and I wanted to gauge peoples' opinion of this.

To Edmonton:
Roberto Luongo

To Vancouver:
Taylor Hall

Thoughts? Who adds and how much?

Curious for both EDM and VAN fans opinions but also other fans, as this seems like a pretty fair trade IMO.
Would prefer Eberle in Van over Hall.

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This is where you're getting lost. Luongo has an excellent relationship with his teammates, the coaches and management. He's not wanting out because he's unhappy with anyone, he's wanting out because he realizes Cory Schneider is a star in the making and he took his job. That, and apparently he wants to be closer to Florida for family reasons.

There's no reconciliation needed. Luongo's not unhappy with anyone.


Of course he is, he wants Schneider's head on a milk carton.

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Would prefer Eberle in Van over Hall.
Doesn't matter, they are untouchable.

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Whiny Luongo.

Distracted room.

No leverage.

MG a fool if not traded by Oct.

Writing on the wall.


etc...



All supposition and conjecture. I will rebut by saying this:


Luongo is under contract to the Canucks.



Until you can refute _that_ statement, you've got nothing. That is the cold hard truth of this case. It's something people have been trying to change for multiple threads now, but to no avail. He is under contract and Gillis can do whatever he wants based on that premise alone.


For anyone to say 100% that Luongo must be traded during the offseason, they must be Mike Gillis. Are you MG?
Why would I refute that statement? I already agreed with it. Gillis could play him on the Sedins' RW if he wants to. That doesn't mean he should, and it doesn't mean he will.

If you want to put your head in the sand WRT everything other than "he's under contract to the Canucks," then more power to you.

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This is where you're getting lost. Luongo has an excellent relationship with his teammates, the coaches and management. He's not wanting out because he's unhappy with anyone, he's wanting out because he realizes Cory Schneider is a star in the making and he took his job. That, and apparently he wants to be closer to Florida for family reasons.

There's no reconciliation needed. Luongo's not unhappy with anyone.
For sure. He's been very amicable and respectful about the whole process. Not a bad word against anyone in the organization. By "reconciliation" I mean that the team and Luongo have to come up with a role for him that satisfies both parties, which IMO is unlikely since, as you said, Luongo wants to be the starter.

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A mutual agreement to be traded... not _when_ to be traded. A key difference.








Whiny Luongo.

Distracted room.

No leverage.

Don't know pro sports.

MG a fool if not traded by Oct.

Writing on the wall.


etc...



All supposition and conjecture. I will rebut by saying this:


Luongo is under contract to the Canucks. Period.



Until you can refute _that_ particular statement, you've got nothing. That is the cold hard truth of this case. It's something people have been trying to obfuscate for multiple threads now, but to no avail. He is under contract and Gillis can do whatever he wants based on that premise alone. He needs nothing else.


For anyone to say 100% that Luongo must be traded during the offseason, they must be Mike Gillis. Are you MG?
I am astounded that you think GMMG (or any GM for that matter) would be ok with going into a season with THAT kind of a distraction (look how many threads there are on this topic alone), but I guess this is HFboards after all. Sounds like you have your head buried deep in the sand.

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How is this a remotely fair trade? Vancouver trades their backup goalie for a top 6 forward with potential to be a star? More like Hall for Edler.
Word of advice for oiler fans - this thread is for entertainment purposes only. Luongo is not getting traded to the oilers. Do not make direct contact with the posters in this thread

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Word of advice for oiler fans - this thread is for entertainment purposes only. Luongo is not getting traded to the oilers. Do not make direct contact with the posters in this thread
Agreed.
Anyways, any chance that if we add Raymond and Ballard the Oilers would up the offer to RNH. Probably a good time to trade him why his value is high and before they have to sign him to a big contract.


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