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07-12-2012, 07:49 PM
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Olesz + Emery + Hjalmarsson + Stalberg for Raymond + Luongo
Doesn't address any of Vancouvers needs. Plus we'd be taking on around 1m of cap. Vancouver stays the same while Chicago improves a glaring weakness. No thanks, would rather put Luongo on waivers.

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Olesz + Emery + Hjalmarsson + Stalberg for Raymond + Luongo
Emery and Olesz have zero trade value.

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Emery and Olesz have zero trade value.
Emery has some value as affordable vet backup

Olesz is pure cap dump ,, If Hawks or anyone is taking on that LUongo contract expect some sorta cap dump coming the Nucks way

I would offer

Crawford + Stalberg + 1st at most for Luongo

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Luongo + Hansen + 2nd for Hossa + McNeil + Shaw

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07-12-2012, 08:06 PM
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Luongo + Hansen for Hossa + McNeil + Shaw
So Hawks give up best player , Good young player and good prospect for terribel contract and good 3rd liner

No thanks

Hossa is going nowhere ,, Dont understand why you want him gone so much

Hossa's contract is alot more appealing then Luongo's

Nucks with Hossa and no Luongo= Fav to win cup
Hawks with Luongo and no Hossa = Not contender

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07-12-2012, 08:07 PM
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Emery has some value as affordable vet backup

Olesz is pure cap dump ,, If Hawks or anyone is taking on that LUongo contract expect some sorta cap dump coming the Nucks way

I would offer

Crawford + Stalberg + 1st at most for Luongo
If that is all Bowman is willing to pay for Luongo he should stop wasting his time. A top 10 goalie for a backup, a top 9 forward, and a high first. No thanks.

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How about

To Van:

Upshall+Ellerby+Theodore+ (maybe a pick)


To Fla:

Raymond+ Luongo


Van has no leverage when it comes to Luongo. He wants a trade and it's apparent that Van want's to get rid of his contract. From what I've heard (merely speculation at this point) that Luongo only wants to come to Fla because his family is still here and he wants to be near his family,as well as owns a home here. IMHO Gillis won't trade with CHI because they are division rivals and giving Chi a top 10 goaltender isn't what he wants to do. I also doubt TO will be trading for Luongo because I think Gillis will be overpricing Luongo and TO won't pay it.

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So Hawks give up best player , Good young player and good prospect for terribel contract and good 3rd liner

No thanks

Hossa is going nowhere ,, Dont understand why you want him gone so much

Hossa's contract is alot more appealing then Luongo's

Nucks with Hossa and no Luongo= Fav to win cup
Hawks with Luongo and no Hossa = Not contender
Hawks with Hossa and Crawford/Emery = First Round Exit

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If that is all Bowman is willing to pay for Luongo he should stop wasting his time. A top 10 goalie for a backup, a top 9 forward, and a high first. No thanks.
Luongo is not a top 10 goalie at this moment

He was not a top 10 goalie in NHL last year

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So Hawks give up best player , Good young player and good prospect for terribel contract and good 3rd liner

No thanks

Hossa is going nowhere ,, Dont understand why you want him gone so much

Hossa's contract is alot more appealing then Luongo's

Nucks with Hossa and no Luongo= Fav to win cup
Hawks with Luongo and no Hossa = Not contender
Luongo and Hossas contracts are very similar. Not sure why one is terrible while the other is not.

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07-12-2012, 08:11 PM
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Saad
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Chicago 1st
Vancouver 1st
Ballard

Why? Gets Columbus extra prospect depth with two forwards that are close to, if not, NHL ready. Gets two high 1st round picks to stock up the pool. Ballard can thrive in their top 4.


Luongo
Johansen

Why? Gets Chicago their elite goaltender and the centre they need. Johansen is ready to step it straight away. He helps replenish some of the offence lost.


Hossa
Tyutin
Columbus 2nd
Chicago 3rd

Why? Dumps both Luongo and Ballard, while bringing in Hossa to solve their offensive woes, Tyutin to bolster their defense, and two picks to help fill in their sad prospect pool.

Values are guarenteed 100% off, and this is likely a horrible proposal. I don't know your guys' fanbases or how much players are valued. Just a thought for fun.

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Hawks with Hossa and Crawford/Emery = First Round Exit
Hawks without Hossa and with Luongo = Probably dont make playoffs

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just think for a second - who is going to give up a lot?


Florida?? - loaded with prospects, but has markstrom to fall back on and they are rebuilding
why would they give back so much when they already have the best prospect in hockey ready for the NHL

Chicago?? - have a stubborn GM they can easily say we are going with crawford. they don't want to make vancouver better and are very reluctant (look at past trades) to trade prospects

Toronto?? - here is your only option IMO - desperate market that wants to win NOW. only think is burke is stubborn and already spoke out again cap circumventing contracts. so here is your only shot



also, Luongo is signed for a long while and has a NTC
i can't see them starting next season with luongo period - based on media attention


there are way too many factors that tell me its either something good from toronto or nothing big.
just way too many negatives jumping out at me
I understand Fla has Markstrom and taking on Luo for a long time can be seen as a negative but the Leafs are in a bit of a similar situation with Scrivens. I just don't get how soo many just write him off as a back up at best when he has shown he has the potential to be a quality NHL starter.

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Luongo and Hossas contracts are very similar. Not sure why one is terrible while the other is not.
Luongo's runs for more actual term (Look at the $$$ ,, Hossa's drops off much more favorably)

Also a 33 yr old G is alot more risk longterm then a 33 yr old RW with great 2 way play

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Saad
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Chicago 1st
Vancouver 1st
Ballard

Why? Gets Columbus extra prospect depth with two forwards that are close to, if not, NHL ready. Gets two high 1st round picks to stock up the pool. Ballard can thrive in their top 4.


Luongo
Johansen

Why? Gets Chicago their elite goaltender and the centre they need. Johansen is ready to step it straight away. He helps replenish some of the offence lost.


Hossa
Tyutin
Columbus 2nd
Chicago 3rd

Why? Dumps both Luongo and Ballard, while bringing in Hossa to solve their offensive woes, Tyutin to bolster their defense, and two picks to help fill in their sad prospect pool.

Values are guarenteed 100% off, and this is likely a horrible proposal. I don't know your guys' fanbases or how much players are valued. Just a thought for fun.
Hawks get destroyed in that deal ,, Destroy there future and there present

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Hawks get destroyed in that deal ,, Destroy there future and there present
Canucks add Tanev or Edler instead?

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Saad
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Chicago 1st
Vancouver 1st
Ballard

Why? Gets Columbus extra prospect depth with two forwards that are close to, if not, NHL ready. Gets two high 1st round picks to stock up the pool. Ballard can thrive in their top 4.


Luongo
Johansen

Why? Gets Chicago their elite goaltender and the centre they need. Johansen is ready to step it straight away. He helps replenish some of the offence lost.


Hossa
Tyutin
Columbus 2nd
Chicago 3rd

Why? Dumps both Luongo and Ballard, while bringing in Hossa to solve their offensive woes, Tyutin to bolster their defense, and two picks to help fill in their sad prospect pool.

Values are guarenteed 100% off, and this is likely a horrible proposal. I don't know your guys' fanbases or how much players are valued. Just a thought for fun.
Chicago gets bent over. Our number 1 NHL ready prospect, our top 2 way winger, a 1st and 3rd for that package?

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How many times has it happened where we fans think one thing and are soo certain of it and reality is totally different. Just look at Ottawa last year, I was almost 100% certain they were getting a lottery pick and voila playoffs. So it would not surprise me in the least if Reimer is back to Optimus Reim and Scrivens is legitimately pushing for the starting job. How messed would it be if Reimer and Scrivens win the Jennings

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Chicago gets bent over. Our number 1 NHL ready prospect, our top 2 way winger, a 1st and 3rd for that package?
What if Columbus added a first back, or the Canucks gave up Tanev + 2nd or Edler?

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Luongo's runs for more actual term (Look at the $$$ ,, Hossa's drops off much more favorably)

Also a 33 yr old G is alot more risk longterm then a 33 yr old RW with great 2 way play
Goaltenders have longer shelf life than forwards. Cases in point: Brodeur, Thomas, still at elite level.

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Luongo is not a top 10 goalie at this moment

He was not a top 10 goalie in NHL last year
First off, yes he was. The Luongo/Schneider tandem was the main reason the team placed where they did last year.

Secondly, Luongo for the last 5 years has proven he is a top 10 goalie in the league. Don't let one off year fool you.

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Doesn't address any of Vancouvers needs. Plus we'd be taking on around 1m of cap. Vancouver stays the same while Chicago improves a glaring weakness. No thanks, would rather put Luongo on waivers.
Don't speak so soon; it is entirely possible that he does indeed end up on waivers if nobody really wants him. Certainly nobody is beating down Gillis' door to get him.

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First fans turn on him and directly blame him for the Nucks woes over the last few years. Now he's an elite top five goaltender.

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Luongo's runs for more actual term (Look at the $$$ ,, Hossa's drops off much more favorably)

Also a 33 yr old G is alot more risk longterm then a 33 yr old RW with great 2 way play
Yeah, like the $$$ matters to a team that has no problem selling tickets like the Blackhawks.

I think the exact opposite, a 33 year old goalie is less risk longterm than a 33 year old right winger.

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Don't speak so soon; it is entirely possible that he does indeed end up on waivers if nobody really wants him. Certainly nobody is beating down Gillis' door to get him.
I agree that could be a possibility, in fact I'd much rather we place him on waivers than trade him to our biggest rivals for nothing that helps us.

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