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07-12-2012, 10:17 PM
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I don't neccessarily agree with being passive, but I'll see how things turn out before I pass judgement.

Man, I wish I could see what offers have been presented so far.
I agree. Seeing the actual trade proposals would be incredible. Probably catch a lot of people by surprise.

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He could definitely have been blamed for some of the games played during the last few post seasons. He acknowledged his poor play in the second Chicago series, why can't us fans do the same?

I don't think anyone on here has said he is a top 5 goalie, not right now anyways.
How do you expect a goalie to win every game 1-0

Canucks offense sucked the past two playoffs, especially last year. Don't blame the goalies.

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Toronto fans ---- Vancouver has no leverage, we will give you our garbage.

Chicago fans ---- Vancouver has no leverage, we will give you our garbage

Florida fans --- Vancouver has no leverage, we will give you our garbage.

Anybody else see the irony here?
Luongo has a 5 team NTC and it is basically Florida is the location with his family that Luongo wants to return to and cities with established goalies. Chicago and Toronto are smoke screen that Gillis is spreading but Luo won't waive his NTC for.

Toronto and Hawks are not a concern. And Florida has a capable #1G in Theodore so I agree Vancouver has no leverage. There only choice is to keep Luongo. So yes Vancouver has no leverage here.

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Agreed that Luongo won't waive for Chicago. I could see him waiving for Toronto though.

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Toronto fans ---- Vancouver has no leverage, we will give you our garbage.

Chicago fans ---- Vancouver has no leverage, we will give you our garbage

Florida fans --- Vancouver has no leverage, we will give you our garbage.

Anybody else see the irony here?
I see no irony. I see Canucks over valuing their 'backup'. The rest is the real world....where few fans from Vancouver dare to venture.

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I see no irony. I see Canucks over valuing their 'backup'. The rest is the real world....where few fans from Vancouver dare to venture.
You're only solidifying his point

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You're only solidifying his point
Irony is the wrong word for the point he is trying to make.

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Will Vancouver be able to get more than a Bertuzzi?

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Agreed that Luongo won't waive for Chicago. I could see him waiving for Toronto though.
Luongo said in an interview he would love playing in Chicago.

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I see no irony. I see Canucks over valuing their 'backup'. The rest is the real world....where few fans from Vancouver dare to venture.
How does one overvalue one of the best goalies since the lockout? The only reason Luongo won't be traded for a king's ransom is because of his contract.

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Luongo has a 5 team NTC and it is basically Florida is the location with his family that Luongo wants to return to and cities with established goalies. Chicago and Toronto are smoke screen that Gillis is spreading but Luo won't waive his NTC for.

Toronto and Hawks are not a concern. And Florida has a capable #1G in Theodore so I agree Vancouver has no leverage. There only choice is to keep Luongo. So yes Vancouver has no leverage here.
Luo is that you????? I throught you went by Stombone or something like that?

You must not be following the situation to close, Luo stated on the radio in Vancouver that Chicago and Toronto were interesting destinations.

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How do you expect a goalie to win every game 1-0

Canucks offense sucked the past two playoffs, especially last year. Don't blame the goalies.
I was referring mostly about the first two Chicago series where we were blown out multiple times. Notice how I said some of the games, not all.

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Irony is the wrong word for the point he is trying to make.
Obviously you dont understand my point.

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How does one overvalue one of the best goalies since the lockout? The only reason Luongo won't be traded for a king's ransom is because of his contract.
Vokoun was also one of the best goalie since the lockout, statistically better than Luongo.

I guess if Vokoun was still locked under a 5 000 000$ long term contract with Florida he would have a tremendous positive trade value!

Or maybe if he had a different jersey.

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How does one overvalue one of the best goalies since the lockout? The only reason Luongo won't be traded for a king's ransom is because of his contract.
And his playoff performance. Don't forget that. How is he the best since the lockout? When was that lockout again? Are we going off wins (Presidents Trophy BS) or GAA? Or the strings of being pulled from games in regular season or playoffs? Please enlighten me on how this guy....who ***** the bed more than any other goalie with a great roster in front of him....is strictly limited to contract length? Please tell us. Because if this guy was nuts in the playoffs he would be long gone with the Canucks getting a King's ransom looooooooong before now.

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And his playoff performance. Don't forget that. How is he the best since the lockout? When was that lockout again? Are we going off wins (Presidents Trophy BS) or GAA? Or the strings of being pulled from games in regular season or playoffs? Please enlighten me on how this guy....who ***** the bed more than any other goalie with a great roster in front of him....is strictly limited to contract length? Please tell us. Because if this guy was nuts in the playoffs he would be long gone with the Canucks getting a King's ransom looooooooong before now.
Luongo's career playoff percentage is in the top 20 of NHL goaltenders of all time. Only 3 spots behind Lundqvist.

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Vokoun was also one of the best goalie since the lockout, statistically better than Luongo.

I guess if Vokoun was still locked under a 5 000 000$ long term contract with Florida he would have a tremendous positive trade value!

Or maybe if he had a different jersey.
If he were several years younger and had an Olympic gold medal, maybe so.

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Luongo's career playoff percentage is in the top 20 of NHL goaltenders of all time. Only 3 spots behind Lundqvist.
59gp is still a small sample when it come to analyses saves %.

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Luongo's career playoff percentage is in the top 20 of NHL goaltenders of all time. Only 3 spots behind Lundqvist.
45th in GAA. See how when you pick and choose stats........


1 1902 Alex Connell 21 1 309 8 5 4 1.19 0.381 0 0 0 0
2 1904 Chuck Gardiner 21 1 472 12 6 5 1.43 0.571 0 0 0 0
3 1900 Lorne Chabot 37 2 498 13 17 5 1.54 0.351 0 0 0 0
4 1910 Dave Kerr 40 2 616 18 19 8 1.74 0.450 0 0 0 0
5 1974 Patrick Lalime 41 2 549 21 20 5 1.77 0.926 0.512 0 0 0 2
6 1892 Clint Benedict 28 1 707 11 12 9 1.86 0.393 0 0 0 0
7 1903 Tiny Thompson 44 2 974 20 24 7 1.88 0.455 0 0 0 0
8 1926 Gerry McNeil 35 2 284 17 18 5 1.89 0.486 0 0 0 0
9 1900 John Roach 29 1 901 12 14 7 1.89 0.414 0 0 0 0
10 1895 George Hainsworth 52 3 486 22 25 8 1.93 0.423 0 0 0 0
11 1914 Walter 'Turk' Broda 101 6 389 60 39 13 1.98 0.594 0 0 0 12
12 1965 Dominik Hašek 119 7 315 65 49 14 2.02 0.925 0.546 0 3 3 44
13 1972 Martin Brodeur 205 12 715 113 91 24 2.02 0.919 0.551 1 12 13 34
14 1916 Bill Durnan 45 2 871 27 18 2 2.07 0.600 0 0 0 0
15 1974 Tim Thomas 50 3 098 29 21 6 2.07 0.933 0.580 0 1 1 4
16 1977 Jean-Sebastien Giguere 52 3 165 33 17 6 2.09 0.925 0.635 0 2 2 0
17 1972 Chris Osgood 129 7 649 74 49 15 2.09 0.916 0.574 0 5 5 32
18 1986 Jonathan Quick 32 1 977 20 12 4 2.12 0.926 0.625 0 0 0 0
19 1929 Jacques Plante 112 6 651 71 36 14 2.14 0.634 0 1 1 12
20 1970 Olaf Kölzig 45 2 799 20 24 6 2.14 0.927 0.444 0 0 0 12
21 1975 Marty Turco 47 3 103 21 26 4 2.17 0.914 0.447 0 2 2 18
22 1965 Ed Belfour 161 9 945 88 68 14 2.17 0.920 0.547 0 1 1 74
23 1970 Roman Turek 22 1 342 12 9 0 2.24 0.908 0.545 0 0 0 2
24 1967 Ron Tugnutt 25 1 482 9 13 3 2.27 0.919 0.360 0 0 0 2
25 1975 Evgeni Nabokov 80 4 815 40 38 7 2.29 0.913 0.500 0 2 2 6
26 1965 Patrick Roy 247 15 208 151 94 23 2.30 0.918 0.611 0 11 11 54
27 1982 Henrik Lundqvist 55 3 397 25 30 6 2.31 0.917 0.455 0 0 0 0
28 1973 Johan Hedberg 23 1 374 10 13 2 2.31 0.914 0.435 0 0 0 0
29 1971 Byron Dafoe 27 1 685 10 16 3 2.31 0.903 0.370 0 0 0 2
30 1976 Miikka Kiprusoff 56 3 281 25 28 6 2.32 0.921 0.446 0 1 1 6
31 1971 Roman Cechmánek 23 1 441 9 14 3 2.33 0.909 0.391 0 0 0 0
32 1977 Brian Boucher 43 2 387 21 18 2 2.36 0.911 0.488 0 0 0 4
33 1984 Cam Ward 41 2 420 23 18 4 2.38 0.917 0.561 0 1 1 0
34 1947 Ken Dryden 112 6 846 80 32 10 2.40 0.714 0 4 4 4
35 1973 Nikolai Khabibulin 72 4 344 39 31 6 2.40 0.917 0.542 0 1 1 8
36 1982 Pekka Rinne 28 1 714 13 15 1 2.42 0.916 0.464 0 1 1 2
37 1967 Curtis Joseph 133 8 105 63 66 16 2.42 0.917 0.474 0 2 2 30
38 1985 Jaroslav Halak 23 1 214 10 11 0 2.42 0.923 0.435 0 0 0 0
39 1945 Bernie Parent 71 4 302 38 33 6 2.43 0.535 0 0 0 4
40 1924 Johnny Bower 74 4 378 35 34 5 2.47 0.473 0 1 1 4
41 1980 Ryan Miller 47 2 943 25 22 3 2.47 0.917 0.532 0 1 1 8
42 1953 John Davidson 31 1 862 16 14 1 2.48 0.516 0 0 0 6
43 1926 Harry Lumley 76 4 778 29 47 7 2.49 0.382 0 0 0 18
44 1948 Glenn Resch 41 2 044 17 17 2 2.50 0.415 0 0 0 4

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45th in GAA. See how when you pick and choose stats........

Both stats aren't significant.

Or Patrick Lalime should be an Hall of Famer!

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Both stats aren't significant.
ex -****ing -actly.

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And his playoff performance. Don't forget that. How is he the best since the lockout? When was that lockout again? Are we going off wins (Presidents Trophy BS) or GAA? Or the strings of being pulled from games in regular season or playoffs? Please enlighten me on how this guy....who ***** the bed more than any other goalie with a great roster in front of him....is strictly limited to contract length? Please tell us. Because if this guy was nuts in the playoffs he would be long gone with the Canucks getting a King's ransom looooooooong before now.
Why don't you do your homework and find out? Luongo is top 5 in games played, wins, GAA, Save%, GAA and shutouts since the lockout. As far as the playoffs go, he has definitely had a few ugly games at key points but if you think those games are what define him and his status then you're unbelievably short sighted. Judge him by his entire body of work.

By the way, Luongo has a career 2.53 GAA and .916 Save % in the playoffs. Not exactly sparkling, but it's not at all horrible either. It's just that some people like you choose to remember a few bad games and use those games to ultimately define the player.

I'm a Senators fan so I'm hungry for GREAT goaltending on my team. I'd be thrilled to have Luongo in my team's net. Then again, I happen to possess a level head.

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45th in GAA. See how when you pick and choose stats........


1 1902 Alex Connell 21 1 309 8 5 4 1.19 0.381 0 0 0 0
2 1904 Chuck Gardiner 21 1 472 12 6 5 1.43 0.571 0 0 0 0
3 1900 Lorne Chabot 37 2 498 13 17 5 1.54 0.351 0 0 0 0
4 1910 Dave Kerr 40 2 616 18 19 8 1.74 0.450 0 0 0 0
5 1974 Patrick Lalime 41 2 549 21 20 5 1.77 0.926 0.512 0 0 0 2
6 1892 Clint Benedict 28 1 707 11 12 9 1.86 0.393 0 0 0 0
7 1903 Tiny Thompson 44 2 974 20 24 7 1.88 0.455 0 0 0 0
8 1926 Gerry McNeil 35 2 284 17 18 5 1.89 0.486 0 0 0 0
9 1900 John Roach 29 1 901 12 14 7 1.89 0.414 0 0 0 0
10 1895 George Hainsworth 52 3 486 22 25 8 1.93 0.423 0 0 0 0
11 1914 Walter 'Turk' Broda 101 6 389 60 39 13 1.98 0.594 0 0 0 12
12 1965 Dominik Hašek 119 7 315 65 49 14 2.02 0.925 0.546 0 3 3 44
13 1972 Martin Brodeur 205 12 715 113 91 24 2.02 0.919 0.551 1 12 13 34
14 1916 Bill Durnan 45 2 871 27 18 2 2.07 0.600 0 0 0 0
15 1974 Tim Thomas 50 3 098 29 21 6 2.07 0.933 0.580 0 1 1 4
16 1977 Jean-Sebastien Giguere 52 3 165 33 17 6 2.09 0.925 0.635 0 2 2 0
17 1972 Chris Osgood 129 7 649 74 49 15 2.09 0.916 0.574 0 5 5 32
18 1986 Jonathan Quick 32 1 977 20 12 4 2.12 0.926 0.625 0 0 0 0
19 1929 Jacques Plante 112 6 651 71 36 14 2.14 0.634 0 1 1 12
20 1970 Olaf Kölzig 45 2 799 20 24 6 2.14 0.927 0.444 0 0 0 12
21 1975 Marty Turco 47 3 103 21 26 4 2.17 0.914 0.447 0 2 2 18
22 1965 Ed Belfour 161 9 945 88 68 14 2.17 0.920 0.547 0 1 1 74
23 1970 Roman Turek 22 1 342 12 9 0 2.24 0.908 0.545 0 0 0 2
24 1967 Ron Tugnutt 25 1 482 9 13 3 2.27 0.919 0.360 0 0 0 2
25 1975 Evgeni Nabokov 80 4 815 40 38 7 2.29 0.913 0.500 0 2 2 6
26 1965 Patrick Roy 247 15 208 151 94 23 2.30 0.918 0.611 0 11 11 54
27 1982 Henrik Lundqvist 55 3 397 25 30 6 2.31 0.917 0.455 0 0 0 0
28 1973 Johan Hedberg 23 1 374 10 13 2 2.31 0.914 0.435 0 0 0 0
29 1971 Byron Dafoe 27 1 685 10 16 3 2.31 0.903 0.370 0 0 0 2
30 1976 Miikka Kiprusoff 56 3 281 25 28 6 2.32 0.921 0.446 0 1 1 6
31 1971 Roman Cechmánek 23 1 441 9 14 3 2.33 0.909 0.391 0 0 0 0
32 1977 Brian Boucher 43 2 387 21 18 2 2.36 0.911 0.488 0 0 0 4
33 1984 Cam Ward 41 2 420 23 18 4 2.38 0.917 0.561 0 1 1 0
34 1947 Ken Dryden 112 6 846 80 32 10 2.40 0.714 0 4 4 4
35 1973 Nikolai Khabibulin 72 4 344 39 31 6 2.40 0.917 0.542 0 1 1 8
36 1982 Pekka Rinne 28 1 714 13 15 1 2.42 0.916 0.464 0 1 1 2
37 1967 Curtis Joseph 133 8 105 63 66 16 2.42 0.917 0.474 0 2 2 30
38 1985 Jaroslav Halak 23 1 214 10 11 0 2.42 0.923 0.435 0 0 0 0
39 1945 Bernie Parent 71 4 302 38 33 6 2.43 0.535 0 0 0 4
40 1924 Johnny Bower 74 4 378 35 34 5 2.47 0.473 0 1 1 4
41 1980 Ryan Miller 47 2 943 25 22 3 2.47 0.917 0.532 0 1 1 8
42 1953 John Davidson 31 1 862 16 14 1 2.48 0.516 0 0 0 6
43 1926 Harry Lumley 76 4 778 29 47 7 2.49 0.382 0 0 0 18
44 1948 Glenn Resch 41 2 044 17 17 2 2.50 0.415 0 0 0 4
Well seeing as Vancouver is much more offensively oriented than other teams, as well as that list including goalies from the trap era, I see GAA as much less meaningfull than sav%

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lol that stat list makes booooosh higher than looooooo

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45th in GAA. See how when you pick and choose stats........


1 1902 Alex Connell 21 1 309 8 5 4 1.19 0.381 0 0 0 0
2 1904 Chuck Gardiner 21 1 472 12 6 5 1.43 0.571 0 0 0 0
3 1900 Lorne Chabot 37 2 498 13 17 5 1.54 0.351 0 0 0 0
4 1910 Dave Kerr 40 2 616 18 19 8 1.74 0.450 0 0 0 0
5 1974 Patrick Lalime 41 2 549 21 20 5 1.77 0.926 0.512 0 0 0 2
6 1892 Clint Benedict 28 1 707 11 12 9 1.86 0.393 0 0 0 0
7 1903 Tiny Thompson 44 2 974 20 24 7 1.88 0.455 0 0 0 0
8 1926 Gerry McNeil 35 2 284 17 18 5 1.89 0.486 0 0 0 0
9 1900 John Roach 29 1 901 12 14 7 1.89 0.414 0 0 0 0
10 1895 George Hainsworth 52 3 486 22 25 8 1.93 0.423 0 0 0 0
11 1914 Walter 'Turk' Broda 101 6 389 60 39 13 1.98 0.594 0 0 0 12
12 1965 Dominik Hašek 119 7 315 65 49 14 2.02 0.925 0.546 0 3 3 44
13 1972 Martin Brodeur 205 12 715 113 91 24 2.02 0.919 0.551 1 12 13 34
14 1916 Bill Durnan 45 2 871 27 18 2 2.07 0.600 0 0 0 0
15 1974 Tim Thomas 50 3 098 29 21 6 2.07 0.933 0.580 0 1 1 4
16 1977 Jean-Sebastien Giguere 52 3 165 33 17 6 2.09 0.925 0.635 0 2 2 0
17 1972 Chris Osgood 129 7 649 74 49 15 2.09 0.916 0.574 0 5 5 32
18 1986 Jonathan Quick 32 1 977 20 12 4 2.12 0.926 0.625 0 0 0 0
19 1929 Jacques Plante 112 6 651 71 36 14 2.14 0.634 0 1 1 12
20 1970 Olaf Kölzig 45 2 799 20 24 6 2.14 0.927 0.444 0 0 0 12
21 1975 Marty Turco 47 3 103 21 26 4 2.17 0.914 0.447 0 2 2 18
22 1965 Ed Belfour 161 9 945 88 68 14 2.17 0.920 0.547 0 1 1 74
23 1970 Roman Turek 22 1 342 12 9 0 2.24 0.908 0.545 0 0 0 2
24 1967 Ron Tugnutt 25 1 482 9 13 3 2.27 0.919 0.360 0 0 0 2
25 1975 Evgeni Nabokov 80 4 815 40 38 7 2.29 0.913 0.500 0 2 2 6
26 1965 Patrick Roy 247 15 208 151 94 23 2.30 0.918 0.611 0 11 11 54
27 1982 Henrik Lundqvist 55 3 397 25 30 6 2.31 0.917 0.455 0 0 0 0
28 1973 Johan Hedberg 23 1 374 10 13 2 2.31 0.914 0.435 0 0 0 0
29 1971 Byron Dafoe 27 1 685 10 16 3 2.31 0.903 0.370 0 0 0 2
30 1976 Miikka Kiprusoff 56 3 281 25 28 6 2.32 0.921 0.446 0 1 1 6
31 1971 Roman Cechmánek 23 1 441 9 14 3 2.33 0.909 0.391 0 0 0 0
32 1977 Brian Boucher 43 2 387 21 18 2 2.36 0.911 0.488 0 0 0 4
33 1984 Cam Ward 41 2 420 23 18 4 2.38 0.917 0.561 0 1 1 0
34 1947 Ken Dryden 112 6 846 80 32 10 2.40 0.714 0 4 4 4
35 1973 Nikolai Khabibulin 72 4 344 39 31 6 2.40 0.917 0.542 0 1 1 8
36 1982 Pekka Rinne 28 1 714 13 15 1 2.42 0.916 0.464 0 1 1 2
37 1967 Curtis Joseph 133 8 105 63 66 16 2.42 0.917 0.474 0 2 2 30
38 1985 Jaroslav Halak 23 1 214 10 11 0 2.42 0.923 0.435 0 0 0 0
39 1945 Bernie Parent 71 4 302 38 33 6 2.43 0.535 0 0 0 4
40 1924 Johnny Bower 74 4 378 35 34 5 2.47 0.473 0 1 1 4
41 1980 Ryan Miller 47 2 943 25 22 3 2.47 0.917 0.532 0 1 1 8
42 1953 John Davidson 31 1 862 16 14 1 2.48 0.516 0 0 0 6
43 1926 Harry Lumley 76 4 778 29 47 7 2.49 0.382 0 0 0 18
44 1948 Glenn Resch 41 2 044 17 17 2 2.50 0.415 0 0 0 4
The fact that Patrick Lalime is 5th on this list proves that stats don't tell the story AT ALL.

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