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07-12-2012, 03:29 PM
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Hill District activists want money from arena parking

Weren't these some of the same people who stopped the Pens from having the casino and almost moving to KC? Some have balls the size of the USX building.

Hill District activists want money from arena parking
Jeremy Boren

Published: Thursday, July 12, 2012, 12:54 p.m.
Updated 1 hour ago


Two Hill District activists on Thursday again urged the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority to require the Pittsburgh Penguins to put $1 for every car that uses parking lots near Consol Energy Center toward improving their neighborhood.

Carl Redwood, founder of the Hill District Consensus Group, told the board that $600,000 a year raised by the fee could pay to repair the homes of poor neighbors, upgrade children’s playgrounds and enhance public transportation for senior citizens in the Centre Avenue business corridor.

The concept is not new, but there is renewed interest in how the Penguins will exercise the team’s right to develop the 28-acre site of the now-demolished Civic Arena in the Lower Hill District. The $1-per-car fee gained little traction with politicians since the consensus group, a coalition of about 200 homeowners, began pushing the idea last year in hopes of offsetting the $40 million in public subsidizes likely required to build roads and install utilities on the site.

“The Penguins recently signed a deal to pay Sidney Crosby $104 million, why do they need public subsidy from the SEA?” Redwood said.

Penguins officials declined to comment.


http://triblive.com/news/2195086-74/...thority-public

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Money for nothin'

And chicks for free

.... that is pretty absurd though. Do they understand the concept of ownership at all?

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The Hill District is part of the City of Pittsburgh. Consol is in the city of Pittsburgh.

They mayor of Pittsburgh should be the one making decisions on what to do with funding for the Hill District, not some random guy who thinks he's the mayor of the Hill District.

Incase Mr. Redwood hasn't noticed, there have been a lot of improvements to the Hill District in the past 5 years. The Pens even keep a % of the jobs at Consol available for Hill District residents.

Joke.

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Money for nothin'

And chicks for free

.... that is pretty absurd though. Do they understand the concept of ownership at all?
Tell me more about these free chicks.

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They want public money to pay for private stuff?

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I love how they linked Crosby's contract to all of this.

Look, I am not against services for those in need. Quite the opposite. And there are many services and charities out there already. Crosby, Malkin and others give back huge amounts to the community, as do the Pens. If there is need for more in the hill district in someone's opinion go through the proper political and social channels.

But this crass attempt to try and shake the Pens down is outrageous. Again, especially given the history of these guys coming close to driving the Pens out of town during the casino debate. Hell, if I remember they tried this when River's Casino was approved a swell. As I said, balls the size of the three rivers.

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The Hill District is part of the City of Pittsburgh. Consol is in the city of Pittsburgh.

They mayor of Pittsburgh should be the one making decisions on what to do with funding for the Hill District, not some random guy who thinks he's the mayor of the Hill District.

Incase Mr. Redwood hasn't noticed, there have been a lot of improvements to the Hill District in the past 5 years. The Pens even keep a % of the jobs at Consol available for Hill District residents.

Joke.
This is true, but I don't think there is anything wrong with area residents forming a coalition to seek help for their area. The Penguins don't "owe" them anything or a piece of the revenue pie from parking revenues and from what you said about the jobs at Consol, it sounds like they are doing their part. I guess I fail to see why it's a problem for them to seek help to from a major company in their community. Of course, there's nothing wrong with the Penguins denying their proposals.

I should say I don't know much about the history of this coalition and the Penguins. I am purely speaking from a hypothetical perspective.

Edit: Nvm I misread why they were asking for the money. So public funds has already been granted for the project and this Redwood guy has a problem with it because the Penguins should pay for it?

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This is true, but I don't think there is anything wrong with area residents forming a coalition to seek help for their area. The Penguins don't "owe" them anything or a piece of the revenue pie from parking revenues and from what you said about the jobs at Consol, it sounds like they are doing their part. I guess I fail to see why it's a problem for them to seek help to from a major company in their community. Of course, there's nothing wrong with the Penguins denying their proposals.
its the way they are going about it that is bothersome I think. Basically calling out the team publicly to make them look like the bad guys if they don't do it.

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This is true, but I don't think there is anything wrong with area residents forming a coalition to seek help for their area. The Penguins don't "owe" them anything or a piece of the revenue pie from parking revenues and from what you said about the jobs at Consol, it sounds like they are doing their part. I guess I fail to see why it's a problem for them to seek help to from a major company in their community. Of course, there's nothing wrong with the Penguins denying their proposals.
They went to the media.

If they had approached the Pens privately, fine. But I stand by my comments given the tactic. And, admittedly I am a bit bitter because of the history. Those are the same people that almost drove the Pens to KC, and THEN right after they signed an agreement to stay pulled this before and got a handout then. Now they are going back to the same well. Forgive me for holding grudges.

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They went to the media.

If they had approached the Pens privately, fine. But I stand by my comments given the tactic. And, admittedly I am a bit bitter because of the history. Those are the same people that almost drove the Pens to KC, and THEN right after they signed an agreement to stay pulled this before and got a handout then. Now they are going back to the same well. Forgive me for holding grudges.
I think you are right. I re-read the article and I agree.

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its the way they are going about it that is bothersome I think. Basically calling out the team publicly to make them look like the bad guys if they don't do it.
Agreed. I somehow skipped over the Crosby contract comment the 1st time.

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It basically is like when you drive home each day and the same people are sitting there on the side of the road asking for handouts.

Unfortunately there are people who do need the help, but select few ruin it for the rest.

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I think the Hill District coalition gets a little more fuel because when the city built the Civic Arena, they bent the Hill over and ****ed them hard. They completely cut Wylie Ave off from downtown, and essentially took everything they wanted. A lot of businesses were closed up in the Hill because of the construction of the Civic Arena, which is why I had no problem with the organization making it right this time.

That being said, go up and drive through the first 5 blocks or so from the new arena. Those new housing complexes are beautiful. I think rather than the Hill looking for money from the team, the coalition should be raising money within their community.

I'm trying really hard to side with the people from the Hill because I went to school in Uptown, and I really do think a lot of good people live there. That being said, there's a large portion of the Hill population who ruin anything new they get. There's a large portion that has no pride in their section of the city. I feel for those who do care, and for those who do try to make that community better. I personally believe the cause is futile though. The most the organization can do, is what they did do. They gave Hill residents cracks at jobs in the new arena, and they are going to continue to develop the area around the arena, which the residents will benefit from.

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People from the hill demanding handouts?! Never! Shockingly, the "activists" have all this free time on their hands. Pittsburgh would be such a better place if the hill district was leveled. Young professionals should be living there, it could be such a great place with its proximity to downtown. I went to duquesne law school and had some run ins with locals. I have 0 sympathy for them.

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There is a small tiling business across the road from my house.. I think I'll go ask them for a cut of their profits, just because, you know, I'm in proximity to them.

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The city ****ed the Hill District over big-time when they built the Civic Arena.



More than half a goddamned century ago. They're owed nothing now.

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**** the hill district...that is all.

One of the most useless areas of the city...the arena brings anything that's nice there anyway, and plenty of chances to sit and beg for money before and after events to boot.

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One more time, whose idea was it to put Consol in the Hood!

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I'm not against the Penguins working something out for the city to help offset costs associated with the arena. However, It's a little crass for a community with many residents living off of taxpayers to attempt an shakedown the Pens to help balance " taxpayers expenses" with Pens profits.

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There's a lot of insensitive responses here. A lot of good ones too. JTG makes some really good points. Well said. I wish I knew more about the relationship between the Pens and the Hill District so I could comment intelligently on this.

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There's a lot of insensitive responses here. A lot of good ones too. JTG makes some really good points. Well said. I wish I knew more about the relationship between the Pens and the Hill District so I could comment intelligently on this.
OK I'll bite: insensitive in what way?

Disclosure: I am not a resident of Pittsburgh and know this district only by the reputation it gets in this board, but seeing as how every big city has districts with this type of reputation I'm going from the principle that most of the problems share similar causes and require similar solutions.

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