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07-21-2012, 08:16 PM
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I'm not going to pretend to be a J-Bo expert, having never paid a huge amount of attention to him but what I've always heard said about him is: he has godly skating skill, and is simply good at most other aspects of the game, but lacks the mental edge necessary to be a winner at the pro level.

Take it for what it's worth. I figure there has to be some accuracy to that in order for it to be repeated so often.
I've followed him since his days in Medicine Hat...he's as exciting as mulch. There's nothing that seems to spark him, he's unprovokable...but he doesn't have that killer instinct, he's not physical, he doesn't respond well to bright lights or pressure...he's kind of a loner. His skating is poetry in motion, few in the game can skate as fluidly as him. Superb defensively. Average offensively with potential to be above average. To give the cliff's notes.

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07-21-2012, 08:19 PM
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Chicago selects Steve "Stumpy" Thomas with Pick 57 in the 2012 MLD.



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-5 30 Goal Seasons
- 421 Career Goals
-72nd and 90 All Time in Career Goals and Points All Time

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07-21-2012, 08:21 PM
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Even if he had a bad season (and admittedly, I saw less of him this year than any other year of his career by a large margin), he's a low maintenance defensive defenseman that never promoted his transition game well enough and never really got a chance to in some regards. Over the long haul, he's a quality, quality player. He's a player that coaches absolutely adore because nothing bad happens when he's out there. Whether something positive happens when he's out there is a matter for the courts, but rarely does anything bad happen. As a coach, there's nothing more re-assuring than putting a pairing out there and going "great, nothing bad will happen for the next 60 seconds" ...very very valuable.

Probably a large part of the reason that no defenseman has logged more minutes since 2004 (J-Bo's second season) than Bouwmeester. I know seventies values ice-time leaders like that.
Good for him that he's his coach only real option. He is good defensively but I don't think ice-time flies when he's competing with guys with lesser players.

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07-21-2012, 08:43 PM
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Good for him that he's his coach only real option. He is good defensively but I don't think ice-time flies when he's competing with guys with lesser players.
Well, he was an option for Team Canada and their olympic team when he was just 22. So, that would indicate that he probably would play over more than just "lesser" players if presented with the opportunity. This isn't just a situation where he's playing a lot on bad teams and he's a #1 by default, he's playing more minutes than HHOFers. I'm not sure that that's a circumstantial accident. Unless there's proof of this happening at another point in history? A player is #1 or even top-5 in ice time for 5+ year stretch but only got that by default and isn't actually good? I don't know, that sounds like a stretch...

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07-21-2012, 08:45 PM
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Well, he was an option for Team Canada and their olympic team when he was just 22. So, that would indicate that he probably would play over more than just "lesser" players if presented with the opportunity. This isn't just a situation where he's playing a lot on bad teams and he's a #1 by default, he's playing more minutes than HHOFers. I'm not sure that that's a circumstantial accident. Unless there's proof of this happening at another point in history? A player is #1 or even top-5 in ice time for 5+ year stretch but only got that by default and isn't actually good?
Im not saying he isnt good, Im just refuting that his ice-time is a reflection of it (or rather the excess of it).

and being the 6th defenseman on a squad that ended up 7th isnt really a merit.


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07-21-2012, 08:56 PM
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The latest MANIAC is

Walt Buswell, D

- 5'11, 170 lbs
- Left-handed shot



- 10th in All-Star voting in 1935-36
- Played in the 1937 Howie Morenz Memorial Game (for the combined Candiens/Maroons team)
- 6th(T) in All-Star voting in 1937-38
- 7th(T) in All-Star voting in 1938-39
(Also received 1 vote for the All Star Team in 1934-35)

- Captain of the Montreal Canadiens in 1939-40.
- Captain of the 2011 MLD Championship Team

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He was at his best in his own end, where he used brains rather than brawn to defend his territory. A strong skater with a long reach, the 5-foot-11, 170-pounder was also one of the more durable rearguards on the team, missing only a dozen games in his years with Montreal
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07-21-2012, 09:09 PM
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Not gonna lie, definitely had thought about Buswell (for obvious reasons since he was on our team last year). Definitely a solid pick here.

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07-21-2012, 09:14 PM
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Not gonna lie, definitely had thought about Buswell (for obvious reasons since he was on our team last year). Definitely a solid pick here.
Buswell and Jarrett were our top choices as "Mike Green babysitters." We wanted a smart left-handed defensive defenseman with good reach and good skating to cover him for him. When you drafted Jarrett (who definitely has the smarts and reach, not sure about the skating), it made the choice easy.

We still could have Buswell anchor a shut down pairing (which won't have Green on it) depending on where the draft takes us, but we definitely like his skillset next to Green.

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07-21-2012, 09:21 PM
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Well, he was an option for Team Canada and their olympic team when he was just 22. So, that would indicate that he probably would play over more than just "lesser" players if presented with the opportunity. This isn't just a situation where he's playing a lot on bad teams and he's a #1 by default, he's playing more minutes than HHOFers. I'm not sure that that's a circumstantial accident. Unless there's proof of this happening at another point in history? A player is #1 or even top-5 in ice time for 5+ year stretch but only got that by default and isn't actually good? I don't know, that sounds like a stretch...
Jay Bouwmeester never played with quality defensive Robinson/Chelios, Svoboda,Kurvers,Ludwig,Desjardins, Blake or for an elite dman asst coach.

Still hope as Harvey turned around Harry Howell.

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07-21-2012, 10:11 PM
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The Sherbrooke Castors are pleased to select the complementary partner of Bob Dailey, thus creating a fearless, enormous top pairing of 6'5" giants.

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07-21-2012, 11:16 PM
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There is a bit of point there as his offensive game has fallen off significantly in Calgary (but that is still a bad statement).
It has, a bit. Something tells me that if I were to dig deeper into the stats, it wouldn't be as big a dropoff as a lot of people think.

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I've followed him since his days in Medicine Hat...he's as exciting as mulch. There's nothing that seems to spark him, he's unprovokable...but he doesn't have that killer instinct, he's not physical, he doesn't respond well to bright lights or pressure...he's kind of a loner. His skating is poetry in motion, few in the game can skate as fluidly as him. Superb defensively. Average offensively with potential to be above average. To give the cliff's notes.
I agree with this.

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Chicago selects Steve "Stumpy" Thomas with Pick 57 in the 2012 MLD.



Some stats on Thomas:

-5 30 Goal Seasons
- 421 Career Goals
-72nd and 90 All Time in Career Goals and Points All Time

For more on Thomas click the following link:

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I would have loved to have gotten Stumpy. he's one of my five favourite players of all-time.

I think he's just a little bit behind Bellows offensively but brings more jam. Regardless, Bellows was better but I figured I could "miss out on Bellows, happily settle for Thomas". I almost took him last night but I had this nagging suspicion there was someone I wasn't thinking of.

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Im not saying he isnt good, Im just refuting that his ice-time is a reflection of it (or rather the excess of it).
I agree that his ice time lies (in that he's the league TOI leader but he's not THE best d-man in the league)... but how much can it be really lying to us, after all this time?

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The latest MANIAC is

Walt Buswell, D

- 5'11, 170 lbs
- Left-handed shot



- 10th in All-Star voting in 1935-36
- Played in the 1937 Howie Morenz Memorial Game (for the combined Candiens/Maroons team)
- 6th(T) in All-Star voting in 1937-38
- 7th(T) in All-Star voting in 1938-39
(Also received 1 vote for the All Star Team in 1934-35)

- Captain of the Montreal Canadiens in 1939-40.
- Captain of the 2011 MLD Championship Team



Full bio here here:
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07-22-2012, 12:26 AM
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<invalid pick. Re-draft pending.>


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07-22-2012, 12:31 AM
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Loob was added during the add/drop period after the ATD.

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07-22-2012, 12:38 AM
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07-22-2012, 12:43 AM
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Just another point about Bouwmeester , he's an absolute iron man , even if he racks up 25+ minutes per game.

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Just another point about Bouwmeester , he's an absolute iron man , even if he racks up 25+ minutes per game.
Easier to avoid injury and fatigue when you don't really battle out there

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07-22-2012, 12:47 AM
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Easier to avoid injury and fatigue when you don't really battle out there
who cares , he's not the first player in the NHL not to be an absolute warrior and plenty of them got injured.

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<second invalid pick>


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Also, I suggest that Troll Ward's clock start with the new pick, not the old one, given the time of night in our time zone.

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[CENTER]With our third pick, 37th overall, the Winston-Salem Polar Twins select:

Frank Fredrickson, C
Don't even need to check. He was definately picked in the main draft.

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07-22-2012, 01:17 AM
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Don't even need to check. He was definately picked in the main draft.
At #215.

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With our fourth (sixth?) pick, 60th overall, the Winston-Salem Polar Twins select:

Charlie Burns, C



An outstanding defensive center capable of shutting down even elite opponents. Will handle first-line PK duty.

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One of the best defensive forwards in the national hockey league, Charlie has done just about everything for the North Stars- played left wing, right wing, centre, and even coached them during the 1969-70 season.
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He's smart. He's versatile and one of the best penalty killers in the game.

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He's quick. He can skate with the best. He's one of the best shadows in the game and it makes him one of the best penalty killer.

-Amongst post-expansion forwards that played at least 400 games post expansion, Charlie Burns spent the most time on the PK than any other player (adjusted for a per game basis) at 79% of his teams penalty kill. (that includes both forwards and defensemen). The next best is Ed Westdall at 69%.

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Going off the board a bit here, maybe, since he's a young guy, but with my pick, the Raleigh Ice Caps select:



Keith Yandle, D

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Yarmouth selects LW Anton Stastny



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Regular Season: 636 points (252G, 384A) in 650 games
Playoffs: 52 points (20G, 32A) in 66 games
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