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07-16-2012, 05:00 PM
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Slightly Over

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This is going to be interesting....

Did I count right that he's at exactly 300 career professional games haha?

My assumption is that everyone, myself included, will probably consider him the biggest defensive liability in the draft. But his offensive game is certainly incredible of this level. I do think there is another active defenseman available that is better at least, but interesting choice to start off your team.
Slightly over.

No more of a defensive liability than what is left. Comes down to pairings.

Others lack games or were drafted in the ATD.

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07-16-2012, 05:01 PM
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Tend to agree here. I definitely think there were better selections out there, but just like someone that builds a team around Coffey in the ATD, I'm kind of excited to see a team built around Karlsson here.
He most probably will have the best single season pick out of any defenseman in the MLD.

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07-16-2012, 05:02 PM
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he has no career outside of the nhl. Great in the juniors in sweden and wjc. That is all.
ahl/sel/wc.

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07-16-2012, 05:06 PM
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Karlsson is like having a defenseman and a forward in one player. You can make all sorts of interesting combinations with your top line forwards, knowing you'll have plenty of puck movement from the back end.

Also, I don't think he's as awful defensively as he's cracked up to be. Lack of experience is a bigger concern than his defense IMO.

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07-16-2012, 05:07 PM
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Slightly over.

No more of a defensive liability than what is left. Comes down to pairings.

Others lack games or were drafted in the ATD.
Ah yes, I forgot to count his WC games.

I mean his peak season defensively (this year) he was pretty much a league average defensive defenseman. And that's only one season worth to go by. It's just not a large enough sample size for this level in my opinion. I will be surprised if we look back at the end of this draft and Erik Karlsson is not the worst defensive guy left.

His offensive peak certainly does do a lot, but his defense is definitely going to be a defensive liability here.

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ahl/sel/wc.
Being tied for 49th place in scoring in the SEL wont be counted much as a merit here. He played sheltered minutes for Frölunda. His AHL career is a mere 11 games.

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07-16-2012, 05:08 PM
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Karlsson is like having a defenseman and a forward in one player. You can make all sorts of interesting combinations with your top line forwards, knowing you'll have plenty of puck movement from the back end.

Also, I don't think he's as awful defensively as he's cracked up to be. Lack of experience is a bigger concern than his defense IMO.
Well the problem here is a combination. He's only had one season as a solid defensive defenseman out of three. He was solid this year, okay last year, and got pushed around his rookie year.

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07-16-2012, 05:09 PM
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Karlsson is like having a defenseman and a forward in one player. You can make all sorts of interesting combinations with your top line forwards, knowing you'll have plenty of puck movement from the back end.

Also, I don't think he's as awful defensively as he's cracked up to be. Lack of experience is a bigger concern than his defense IMO.
If he develops physically, with his hockey sense the defense will come. Otherwise you will have a > Phil Housley scenario.

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Well the problem here is a combination. He's only had one season as a solid defensive defenseman out of three. He was solid this year, okay last year, and got pushed around his rookie year.
Steady progress which is what hockey management, coaching and scouts love.


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07-16-2012, 05:14 PM
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Steady progress which is what hockey management, coaching and scouts love.
That's not how the ATD/MLD works though. It goes by what he has achieved to this point.

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07-16-2012, 08:40 PM
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Lokomotiv Yaroslavl select defenseman Howard McNamara. Bio to come later.

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07-16-2012, 09:28 PM
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Karlsson was an NHL rookie at 19. Frankly, I think it's cheap to count his SEL games before coming to the NHL, but if you do, he barely qualifies for the 300 game requirement

216 NHL + 13 playoff = 229 games
52 SEL + 17 playoff = 69 games
9 WC games


Total = 307

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07-16-2012, 09:31 PM
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I was hoping not to discuss Karlsson until the AA 2012 draft.

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07-16-2012, 09:49 PM
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Pittsburgh selects RW Andrei Khomutov


(Per Eliteprospects)
GP - G - A - PTS - PPG - PIM
CC: 9 2 7 9 1.00 4
NLA: 263 200 330 530 2.02 121
NLA Playoffs: 69 42 79 121 1.75 38
NLB: 30 21 30 51 1.70 42
OG: 15 6 10 16 1.07 2
Soviet: 430 195 170 365 0.85 112
WC: 84 39 33 72 0.86 20

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Best Scorer (Goals, WOG) 1992
Best Scorer (Goals) 1990
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MVP 1990
Best Scorer (Goals) 1988
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07-16-2012, 09:54 PM
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Pittsburgh selects RW Andrei Khomutov
There's a lot more good bio stuff on the guy.

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Just a thought, feel free to shoot it down based on ATD/MLD precedent.

Canadiens1958 is in his first draft and appears to have misunderstood the way modern players are evaluated in this game. Would it be fair to allow him a mulligan and opportunity to take a different player with his 1st pick?

Personally I feel that would be the sportsmanlike thing to do.

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07-16-2012, 10:46 PM
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There's a lot more good bio stuff on the guy.
Yup, I filled the bio of him in the thread up pretty good. I'll probably try to do a little more eventually.....but I might be exhausting most of what I've got left resource wise. Lots of the news articles on Google are pay-per-view

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07-16-2012, 10:47 PM
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Connecticut selects RW Brian Bellows



485 G, 537 A, 1022 pts in 1118 NHL GP
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07-16-2012, 10:55 PM
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Connecticut selects RW Brian Bellows



485 G, 537 A, 1022 pts in 1118 NHL GP
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Nice pick, completely slipped my mind that he hadn't been selected.

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07-16-2012, 11:02 PM
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I'm totally unprepared , so I'll just grab Zach Parise LW



Consistant 30 goal scorer , nice playoff run this year , 5th in hart voting , 2nd all-star team , tremendous competitor and all around player

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07-16-2012, 11:11 PM
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After the draft we should add to our voting awards: 'Worst Pick' and have each GM submit a list of what they think was the worst pick for each team (16 names submitted per GM/pair of co-GMs), and the three top vote getters become 'finalists' for a final round of voting.

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After the draft we should add to our voting awards: 'Worst Pick' and have each GM submit a list of what they think was the worst pick for each team (16 names submitted per GM/pair of co-GMs), and the three top vote getters become 'finalists' for a final round of voting.
nice way of subtlely congratulate me on my awesome Parise pick


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07-16-2012, 11:44 PM
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Before the draft I wondered how much players who added a good regular season and/or playoffs in 2011-2012 to their careers would affect the first round and with Campbell, Karlsson, and Parise being 20% of the first round, it's certainly been a factor.

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07-16-2012, 11:53 PM
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Just a thought, feel free to shoot it down based on ATD/MLD precedent.

Canadiens1958 is in his first draft and appears to have misunderstood the way modern players are evaluated in this game. Would it be fair to allow him a mulligan and opportunity to take a different player with his 1st pick?

Personally I feel that would be the sportsmanlike thing to do.
If he wants to re-pick, it's fine. If he wants to keep him, it's fine. Considering future projection isn't a part of these drafts, I don't like the pick, but others might disagree

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I'm totally unprepared , so I'll just grab Zach Parise LW



Consistant 30 goal scorer , nice playoff run this year , 5th in hart voting , 2nd all-star team , tremendous competitor and all around player
I hate the guy, but I think it's a fine pick. He's something of a glue guy and can score more than most glue guys who are going to be available. He sometimes has trouble with larger defensemen though, especially in the playoffs

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07-16-2012, 11:53 PM
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nice playoff run this year
That doesn't matter. There are players with nice playoffs over half a century ago (hell, over a century ago). How recent it was is immaterial. If his career ended tomorrow, how many will remember that 50 years from now? That is the test.

Parise is deserving of this draft (but I am not sure of top line status given available others) because

* he has five (5) consecutive 30+ goal seasons, which meets the threshhold for minimum career length to be able to rely on his production (unlike some one-year wonder);
* he has a great international record: tourney MVP in leading the USA to its first ever world junior championships gold; tying goal late in gold-medal game with Canada in the 2010 Olympics, finishing with 8 points in 6 games; had 8 points in 7 games in the 2008 world championships, voted top-3 player on his team
* he has had two significant NHL playoffs, scoring 7 goals and 10 points in 11 games in 2007, and scoring 8 goals and 15 points in a Stanley Cup finals run in 2012.
* he has only been an NHL captain for ONE season, so that isn't very significant, other than the team went to the Finals, which matters, and he was an alternate captain at both international adult tourneys he performed well in, the 2008 worlds and 2010 Olympics.

All in all, he doesn't look out of place in this draft, but time will show how (un)deserving he is in terms of top line duty, not to mention first round pick status, in an all-time context.

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07-17-2012, 12:06 AM
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After the draft we should add to our voting awards: 'Worst Pick' and have each GM submit a list of what they think was the worst pick for each team (16 names submitted per GM/pair of co-GMs), and the three top vote getters become 'finalists' for a final round of voting.
I'd like to keep the individual player voting as something that's positive. The worst picks will face heat in the assassination and playoff process.

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