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07-17-2012, 02:30 PM
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07-17-2012, 02:33 PM
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You know... I'm thinking this MLD team might be good time for that theme team I was thinking of.

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07-17-2012, 02:38 PM
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You know... I'm thinking this MLD team might be good time for that theme team I was thinking of.
OMG. We had a disaster when a GM tried a theme team at this level before.

Here's hoping you try to choose DESERVING all-time greats, guys who deserve to be top-1000 all-time greats, who could have gone in the ATD but didn't!

There will be a AAA 2012 and lower drafts to experiment with imo.

Good luck whatever you do.

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07-17-2012, 02:40 PM
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07-17-2012, 02:51 PM
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I'm assuming this is an all encompassing thread re: MLD. So I'll ask it here, I suppose...

First-timer inquiry: Re: Perception. I tried to look back at previous lists but didn't get a real clear indication. This is a rather abstract question, but I'm not sure if I can figure it out...I know the answer certainly WRT the ATD, but MLD I'm not positive...

What's considered more valuable (and we're talking much later in the draft) - a player that's been say a 2nd or 3rd liner with no definitive greatness, or a 5/6 defender with very little to back him up statistically that played in the league for less than 10 years or whatever (maybe in the forward's case, it's 5 or 6 with no real fanfare) - OR - a player that dominated a "lower" league back when there was only 6 NHL teams. I understand the PCHL and such leagues being important in the pre-NHL days, but with the NHL intact (though with limited jobs) and the AHL - for instance - behind it, is it more impressive to be - maybe - an above average NHLer from 2006-2012 or a fairly dominant AHLer from, say, 1946-1958? Just from a perspective standpoint...is there any indication on which would be more impressive, or is it a case by case basis thing...?

Sorry for the long, possibly complicated question...
Some GMs give a lot of credit for dominating the O6 AHL. Others (like me) give very little credit for it unless there is specific information as to why the player never got a shot in the NHL (prejudice, would lose a pension/scholarship if became professional, etc).

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07-17-2012, 02:53 PM
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Please don't do a theme team unless you can fill it with deserving players. We have seen the following theme teams in the MLD:

- USA
- WHA
- Russia/USSR

and they all got last place.

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07-17-2012, 02:57 PM
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Please don't do a theme team unless you can fill it with deserving players.
I'm pretty confident in my theme of players with an e in their name.

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07-17-2012, 02:59 PM
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NHL Playoffs: 66 - 25 - 35 - 60 - 0.91 - 72 - +15
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07-17-2012, 03:05 PM
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Please don't do a theme team unless you can fill it with deserving players. We have seen the following theme teams in the MLD:

- USA
- WHA
- Russia/USSR

and they all got last place.
Should have read this before picking...

Seriously though he's probably better than Khomutov so we'll just pretend those picks were flipped

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07-17-2012, 03:09 PM
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Yaroslavl selects winger Robert MacDougall.

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07-17-2012, 03:22 PM
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Solid two way LW could play center, leader with grit.

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07-17-2012, 03:27 PM
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Shayne Corson
I had him penned in as my squad's third line left winger! A great competitor, brings intangibles like work ethic, corner work and leadership.

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07-17-2012, 03:31 PM
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I had him penned in as my squad's third line left winger! A great competitor, brings intangibles like work ethic, corner work and leadership.
He brings work ethic, corner work, and solid two-way play, but the less said about his leadership, the better

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07-17-2012, 03:35 PM
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Should have read this before picking...

Seriously though he's probably better than Khomutov so we'll just pretend those picks were flipped
Funny thing is, his stats are slightly better internationally and a good deal better in Russia.

the kicker is, Kamensky was proven as an NHL second-tier scorer and Khomutov wasn't.

(also, if not for VI faithfully pimping Kamensky, he would drop a lot more too - I don't see offensive output that makes Kamensky a great scoring line option in the MLD)

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Solid two way LW could play center, leader with grit.
Hopefully not for a scoring line.

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I had him penned in as my squad's third line left winger! A great competitor, brings intangibles like work ethic, corner work and leadership.
Maybe the best middleweight fighter ever (in that he was truly a middleweight and only fought other middleweights, but he sure dominated that class)

He was top-3 on my list for checking wingers too.

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07-17-2012, 03:38 PM
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Thanks for all the good answers regarding my inquiry. I kinda figured the group would lean that way, but wanted to be sure. If I have to really "make a case" for a player like that, I'll make sure I can really do it...and not just name a "different" player for the fun of it (not that I planned to do that at all anyway - it doesn't help the cause). Thanks all.

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07-17-2012, 04:24 PM
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Funny thing is, his stats are slightly better internationally and a good deal better in Russia.

the kicker is, Kamensky was proven as an NHL second-tier scorer and Khomutov wasn't.

(also, if not for VI faithfully pimping Kamensky, he would drop a lot more too - I don't see offensive output that makes Kamensky a great scoring line option in the MLD)



Hopefully not for a scoring line.



Maybe the best middleweight fighter ever (in that he was truly a middleweight and only fought other middleweights, but he sure dominated that class)

He was top-3 on my list for checking wingers too.
I've honestly not seen VI pimp Kamensky at all (Khomutov he obviously has. I think this is the first time he hasn't picked Khomutov haha).

Soviet MVP '91 (first Soviet All-Star team '90 and '91, 5th in points in '88), Rendez-Vous MVP '87, World Championships best forward '91. 4th most goals in the 87 Canada Cup. Then he broke his leg (or was it hurt his knee? I've seen differing reports) right before coming over the the NHL I believe, which sapped a decent amount of his speed. Then, the first year he was in the NHL he broke his other ankle from what I've seen, meaning the NHL never got to see Kamensky at his top form. Here are some posts from the Russian forum giving an account:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...9&postcount=21

Basically this post says he broke his knee his final year in Russia, and was expected to struggle walking. According to him it was a miracle he was able to play hockey again.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...2&postcount=23

Then he broke his other ankle afterwards in his first full season.

He received new life though playing with Forsberg, where he played at a near PPG level seven injury plagued seasons in the NHL, EVEN after his best years were behind him. ON TOP of his high level in the regular season, he was a near PPG player throughout his playoff career.

I don't mean to say these are what-ifs. I'm saying they are what they are. The Kamensky we saw was not peak-Valeri Kamensky. If he kept that up, we're 100% talking about a legitimate ATD scoring line option. His peak from 87-92 was phenomenal. What we saw after is a guy who wasn't the same as he was in Russia, but was a really great second-tier scorer in the NHL for 7 years (near PPG player) after his 5 year peak, along with a guy who clearly stepped his game up in big situations (Best Forward at the WCs once, Rendez Vous MVP, near PPG playoff performer). Kamensky is definitely worthy of high recognition here as one of the premier wingers in the MLD.

(By the way, I do agree with you though seventies, that him going in the 500s-650 range was too high (his aggregate range over the past three drafts).


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Yaroslavl selects winger Robert MacDougall.

Bio to come later (by the weekend).
1895 version of Clarke/Kharlamov.

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07-17-2012, 05:17 PM
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I've honestly not seen VI pimp Kamensky at all (Khomutov he obviously has. I think this is the first time he hasn't picked Khomutov haha).

Soviet MVP '91 (first Soviet All-Star team '90 and '91, 5th in points in '88), Rendez-Vous MVP '87, World Championships best forward '91. 4th most goals in the 87 Canada Cup. Then he broke his leg (or was it hurt his knee? I've seen differing reports) right before coming over the the NHL I believe, which sapped a decent amount of his speed. Then, the first year he was in the NHL he broke his other ankle from what I've seen, meaning the NHL never got to see Kamensky at his top form. Here are some posts from the Russian forum giving an account:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...9&postcount=21

Basically this post says he broke his knee his final year in Russia, and was expected to struggle walking. According to him it was a miracle he was able to play hockey again.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...2&postcount=23

Then he broke his other ankle afterwards in his first full season.

He received new life though playing with Forsberg, where he played at a near PPG level seven injury plagued seasons in the NHL, EVEN after his best years were behind him. ON TOP of his high level in the regular season, he was a near PPG player throughout his playoff career.

I don't mean to say these are what-ifs. I'm saying they are what they are. The Kamensky we saw was not peak-Valeri Kamensky. If he kept that up, we're 100% talking about a legitimate ATD scoring line option. His peak from 87-92 was phenomenal. What we saw after is a guy who wasn't the same as he was in Russia, but was a really great second-tier scorer in the NHL for 7 years (near PPG player) after his 5 year peak, along with a guy who clearly stepped his game up in big situations (Best Forward at the WCs once, Rendez Vous MVP, near PPG playoff performer). Kamensky is definitely worthy of high recognition here as one of the premier wingers in the MLD.

(By the way, I do agree with you though seventies, that him going in the 500s-650 range was too high (his aggregate range over the past three drafts).
We're supposed to believe that Kamensky was at his best at age 21-23, not 26-31 like most forwards nowadays?

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Yaroslavl selects winger Robert MacDougall.

Bio to come later (by the weekend).
Good luck with the bio.

There is lots to like there, though with so little out there supporting his greatness it is tough to see him as a top line guy in MLD 2012. In MLD 2011, sure.

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We're supposed to believe that Kamensky was at his best at age 21-23, not 26-31 like most forwards nowadays?
Yes, his peak years were from 20-25 because of his injuries that occurred at 25 and 26 years old. I don't know why that's hard to believe. Surely he would have continued to have gotten better and would have continued to go along that road of development, but injuries didn't allow him to do that.

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Good luck with the bio.

There is lots to like there, though with so little out there supporting his greatness it is tough to see him as a top line guy in MLD 2012. In MLD 2011, sure.
I did a bio of MacDougall last year, here's everything I could find on him, which isn't all that much.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...9&postcount=21

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Carson Cooper, RW



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We're supposed to believe that Kamensky was at his best at age 21-23, not 26-31 like most forwards nowadays?
There's one undrafted ahead of him in playoff scoring from '95 to '00 and he needed 29 more games to put up 6 more points. Not bad for an old man (28-33) with the injury woes Vecens mentioned. Only one of 11 players to post PPG in the playoffs during that 5-year span and 5 did it in less GP.


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Carson Cooper, RW



Bio to come, here's the bio from last year's MLD, I'll try to build on it.
And here's the bio I put together for him...

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