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07-14-2012, 10:12 AM
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Its funny but Shaw and Sharp have a lot of experience at center so you put them on wing. Kane, Saad, Frolick and even, Mayers are wingers so you try to make them centers

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07-14-2012, 10:25 AM
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No, he isn't. He has a better shot, that's about it. Having a better shot =/= being a better goal-scorer though.
This Kruger you and Bubba speak of had better stand up soon.

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07-14-2012, 10:39 AM
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This Kruger you and Bubba speak of had better stand up soon.
What Kruger am I speaking of? Kruger is better than Pirri, it's that simple. They're both average sized, slight, playmaking centres. Niether of them are poor skaters but neither have breakaway speed. Pirri has a better shot, Kruger has a better nose for the net. Pirri plays no defense and Kruger plays excellent defense for his age. That is what seperates them and that's why Pirri was in the AHL last year and Kruger in Chicago.

What do some of you do, look at the stats and assume Pirri must be better? Kruger was one of the best players in Sweden before he came to the Hawks and produced alot of points in the SEL.. but, Kruger sucks offensively right? Or is it that he's only good on bigger ice? Or, could it simply be that he was above his head at this point in his developement in being a top-6 centre on an NHL team? Hmm.. I don't know.

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07-14-2012, 10:46 AM
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[QUOTE=Kruger has a better nose for the net. QUOTE]

Based on what??? Some of your points are valid. However, when you make statements like that as if they were absolute truths you display a huge bias IMO>

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07-14-2012, 10:52 AM
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Based on what??? Some of your points are valid. However, when you make statements like that as if they were absolute truths you display a huge bias IMO>
Go watch Brandon Pirri play. Almost all of Kruger's goals this year came from him getting to the net and putting home a rebound or loose puck. I'm not saying Pirri only ever stays on the perimeter, but Kruger very clearly is the more willing of the two to get involved in the dirty areas.

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07-14-2012, 10:57 AM
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All of Kruger's goals??? He hardly ever scored. I don't see how you can make such a sweeping statement out of such a small sample. I see a guy who struggles to score not a guy with "a nose for the net" Some nose.

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07-14-2012, 11:06 AM
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All of Kruger's goals??? He hardly ever scored. I don't see how you can make such a sweeping statement out of such a small sample. I see a guy who struggles to score not a guy with "a nose for the net" Some nose.
Such a "sweeping statement"? Kruger has a better nose for the net. Claming either one to be significantly better is a sweeping statement. Saying Kruger has a better nose for the net, because he does, is just a fact. Perhaps I worded it wrong, but it was suppose to mean Kruger is more willing to get involved in the tough areas of the ice.

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07-14-2012, 11:12 AM
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Ok, I can accept that. I can also accept the fact that Kruger is better than Pirri defensively. I won't accept that Kruger is better than Pirr offensively at this point, however. Not based on what I have seen.


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07-14-2012, 11:16 AM
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Toews gets injured, it becomes obvious who our second best 1C is, but he's not good enough for 2C. Ok.


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07-14-2012, 12:07 PM
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Sharp played center his first two years for chicago. Most had him pegged as our third line center of the future after his first 40 games for Chicago. He also made Frolik look like a sniper with how snakebit he and Curtis Brown were.


Just a bit of perspective.

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07-14-2012, 12:14 PM
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Pirri is no better than Kruger. No better, at all. Just worse defensively.
This is just out and out false.

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07-14-2012, 12:19 PM
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Pirri is just as willing to go to the dirty areas to score, he just doesn't have too unlike Kruger.

Pirri and Morin both have tried to play a gritty physical game in their limited nhl minutes. They need to focus on playing their game.

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07-14-2012, 12:37 PM
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Pirri is just as willing to go to the dirty areas to score, he just doesn't have too unlike Kruger.

Pirri and Morin both have tried to play a gritty physical game in their limited nhl minutes. They need to focus on playing their game.

I agree. Neither should change to the style they think they need to play, especially Morin. Play responsibly on the defensive side and gritty certainly, but don't go out of the way to prove anything physically and consequently take away from your own (offensive) game in doing so.

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07-14-2012, 02:56 PM
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This is just out and out false.
It's really not.

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07-14-2012, 03:33 PM
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I think Pirri is a more creative player. While Kruger is better defensively.

Pirri ->Ganger esc type player offensive flair shifty and elusive, still young. Has an incredible slap shot for a forward and decent wrister

Kruger- Confidence when gained you see some offensive flair, potential is there to be a good playmaker.
Good defensively but not miles ahead of anyone. Works hard but panics when pressured.

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All I can say is that Brandon Pirri would certainly have gotten more than a measly 26 points if he played more than half of the season with Sharp and Hossa and had consistent PP time too. Things that Kruger had.

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07-14-2012, 03:37 PM
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Pirri is no better than Kruger. No better, at all. Just worse defensively.
I list three alternative centers the Hawks have/will have available, in order of draft year, and you single out Pirri? From what I've seen Pirri has it all over Kruger offensivly.

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You would think that putting Pirri with Hossa and Sharp that it would cover up for some of his defensive weaknesses. God knows Kane isn't exectly a defensive powerhouse at center.
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This Kruger you and Bubba speak of had better stand up soon.

Agree with both statements.

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What Kruger am I speaking of? Kruger is better than Pirri, it's that simple. They're both average sized, slight, playmaking centres. Niether of them are poor skaters but neither have breakaway speed. Pirri has a better shot, Kruger has a better nose for the net. Pirri plays no defense and Kruger plays excellent defense for his age. That is what seperates them and that's why Pirri was in the AHL last year and Kruger in Chicago.

What do some of you do, look at the stats and assume Pirri must be better? Kruger was one of the best players in Sweden before he came to the Hawks and produced alot of points in the SEL.. but, Kruger sucks offensively right? Or is it that he's only good on bigger ice? Or, could it simply be that he was above his head at this point in his developement in being a top-6 centre on an NHL team? Hmm.. I don't know.
Pirri plays bigger than Kruger. I've coached high school players who are obviously stronger on their skates than Kruger seems to be. I've seen nothing of Kruger's playmaking abilities, either.

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Such a "sweeping statement"? Kruger has a better nose for the net. Claming either one to be significantly better is a sweeping statement. Saying Kruger has a better nose for the net, because he does, is just a fact. Perhaps I worded it wrong, but it was suppose to mean Kruger is more willing to get involved in the tough areas of the ice.
Doesn't help going to the tough areas when you're knocked on your arse 75% of the time you're there. Kruger's only offensive play is going to the net.

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Ok, I can accept that. I can also accept the fact that Kruger is better than Pirri defensively. I won't accept that Kruger is better than Pirr offensively at this point, however. Not based on what I have seen.
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This is just out and out false.
Again, both true.

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At this point, it's humorous.

P.S, I never said Kruger is better than Pirri defensively. Everything between the two is marginally better/worse except for Pirri's shot and Kruger's defensive play.

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07-14-2012, 03:59 PM
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Pirri, Saad or Kruger as 2C= Lousy.

Kruger as 4C= Lousy.

If any of it shakes out this way, it's going to be a long winter.

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i swear Kruger must work for Al Qaeda
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i swear Kruger must work for Al Qaeda
haha made me lol

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Pirri is no better than Kruger. No better, at all. Just worse defensively.
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... Pirri plays no defense and Kruger plays excellent defense for his age. That is what seperates them and that's why Pirri was in the AHL last year and Kruger in Chicago....
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At this point, it's humorous.

P.S, I never said Kruger is better than Pirri defensively. Everything between the two is marginally better/worse except for Pirri's shot and Kruger's defensive play.
Hmmm...just in this thread alone there are two statements contradicting your last statement. That doesn't include the countless other posts in countless other threads where you've claimed the same.


BTW, my original post in this thread (post #41 http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...7&postcount=41 ) made no mention of Kruger. You're the one that brought him into the thread (your post #44, the first quote listed above).

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Hmmm...just in this thread alone there are two statements contradicting your last statement. That doesn't include the countless other posts in countless other threads where you've claimed the same.


BTW, my original post in this thread (post #41 http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...7&postcount=41 ) made no mention of Kruger. You're the one that brought him into the thread (your post #44, the first quote listed above).
It's even hard for Hoss The Boss to read his posts.

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Niether of them are poor skaters but neither have breakaway speed.
Pirri is definitely a better skater though.

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07-15-2012, 01:19 AM
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Pirri, next to Kruger, is elite offensively. I highly doubt anybody here other then me has seen Pirri play last year.

Marcus Kruger is a waste of a roster spot. He is horrible in the offensive zone while an average defensive player. This team doesnt need Pirri for nothing other then offense, put a line out there with Sharp and Hossa, and his defensive short comings, and he is rough defensively, could be covered up considering how both are above average defensively. You put Kruger in that role, and you have one of the worst second line centers in the NHL. Pirri will produce, Kruger has shown he cant do anything in the offensive zone then get run over at will.

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