RealKyper #Preds Weber offer sheet from #Flyers. 1st 4 yrs 1M salary+13M sb; yrs 5-6 4M sal+ 8Msb; yrs 7-10 6M sal; year 11 3M sal; last 3 yrs 1M sal
If that is true I wonder what the league will do. I guess the deal is legal but this is like the poison pill contract the Vikings gave Steve Hutchinson years ago. The league has to do something to prevent it going forward. May be too late to help Nashville though.
Yeah, if my best buddy in the world ****s my girlfriend behind my back, we are not going to be best buddies anymore. It does not matter how many good times we had in the past. Kind of like that.
OR it was all planned. Like Weber did not want to sign in Nashville longterm, so Poile asked Holmgren to try and sign Shea to an offer sheet so he could match it and lock up Weber forever. I don't think this was the case, but Holmgren did Poile a favor with this.
I don't think Philly is out of the woods yet as far as keeping Weber away from the Rangers/Pens etc. Although I doubt the Pens will have the assets. Still, I think Weber is retained by Nashville for this season and traded next summer to the highest bidder not named the Flyers.
WHY? If Nashville lays out 20% of the contract value in 12 months, then why would they trade Weber in a year.
NOW, I'll ask this again: Can Nashville trade Weber's rights in the next 7 days to a team that will match? I'd love to know what the CBA says about this, if anything.
BTW, I still say Nashville matches. Ownership and Poile would be run out of town if they didn't, especially for a four first round pick return.
I don't see how they don't match. You're 13 mil under the cap floor. Pay him what he's owed the first year and trade him if need be next summer. A signed Weber is worth most any roster player in the league.
Maybe a year later, Bennett is looking like he can step into a top 6 role, Despres is a proven top 4 option and we have another asset that would interest Nashville.
This was on NHL.com before, ( i posted link a few pages back);
Sorry, you missed my point. What if Nashville said 'we can't afford this but we don't want to take four first round picks'. NHL.com said they could work out a better return with the Flyers. My question was this: Could Nashville trade Weber's rights to the Rangers tomorrow?
Having to pay insane bonuses up front is really not doing a small hockey market like Nashville any favors though.
No, but the salary numbers are low in those years. If the Flyers REALLY wanted to deter Nashville, they'd have added salary in the first 12, even 36, months.
WHY? If Nashville lays out 20% of the contract value in 12 months, then why would they trade Weber in a year.
NOW, I'll ask this again: Can Nashville trade Weber's rights in the next 7 days to a team that will match? I'd love to know what the CBA says about this, if anything.
BTW, I still say Nashville matches. Ownership and Poile would be run out of town if they didn't, especially for a four first round pick return.
They could trade him to exactly 1 team at this point: the flyers.
They could say: we want this this and this for Weber or we'll match your offer and that's that.
WHY? If Nashville lays out 20% of the contract value in 12 months, then why would they trade Weber in a year.
NOW, I'll ask this again: Can Nashville trade Weber's rights in the next 7 days to a team that will match? I'd love to know what the CBA says about this, if anything.
BTW, I still say Nashville matches. Ownership and Poile would be run out of town if they didn't, especially for a four first round pick return.
I don't know for sure, but I've always operated under the mindset that once a team offer sheets a guy, he's that team's player. Weber signed the contract, and he's theirs until Nashville says what they are going to do.
Kirk: as I undertand it, currently (as in right now), the Flyers own Weber's rights. He is no longer a Predator. Nashville can't do anything with him except sign him to the deal Philly proposed.
WHY? If Nashville lays out 20% of the contract value in 12 months, then why would they trade Weber in a year.
NOW, I'll ask this again: Can Nashville trade Weber's rights in the next 7 days to a team that will match? I'd love to know what the CBA says about this, if anything.
BTW, I still say Nashville matches. Ownership and Poile would be run out of town if they didn't, especially for a four first round pick return.
They will still have multiple years of having to give 13 million dollar bonuses up front if the reports are true. I think the only reason they will match this is because they can't lose him for so little. They can bite the bullet this year financially to get a king's ransom in trade from another team with deeper pockets next year.
The one bad thing about the contract is that you know that there has to be a NMC given how big of a dick reputation that the Flyers have leaguewide for screwing players over. So chances are good that 'Nashville can trade him in a year' stuff is not going to prove to be true. That said, there is a good chance that Nashville matches, it is what they wanted in the first place. Term is on the long side, but just over $7 million per year is what they would have been looking at anyways. And losing Suter already means that they have the money to make it work.
they only have to match in principle to retain him. any extra clauses get wiped. And either way, I doubt they'd be upset to have to keep him. If he really wants to leave he'd waive it for sure.
If I would rate the most likely scenarios right now I'd say Nashville matching is the most probable, then a trade to the flyers second and them not matching and take the picks third. Still probably a fair chance for either one.
I don't see how they don't match. You're 13 mil under the cap floor. Pay him what he's owed the first year and trade him if need be next summer. A signed Weber is worth most any roster player in the league.
Maybe a year later, Bennett is looking like he step into a top 6 role, Despres is a proven top 4 option and we have another asset that would interest Nashville.
They won't trade him next summer. Too much money thrown out in the first 12 months to justify that. BUT, they likely will trade him in 6-8 years, when his play starts to tail off. And, as a matching team not bound by the NTC clause (if I read correctly) and with most of the contract money paid (i.e., for a small market team, salary < cap hit), Poile can wait 6-8 years and get an absolute bounty for Weber (what he'll have paid is about 9.5M a year in that time, which really is only 500K more than he'd hoped to pay).
They won't trade him next summer. Too much money thrown out in the first 12 months to justify that. BUT, they likely will trade him in 6-8 years, when his play starts to tail off. And, as a matching team not bound by the NTC clause (if I read correctly) and with most of the contract money paid (i.e., for a small market team, salary < cap hit), Poile can wait 6-8 years and get an absolute bounty for Weber (what he'll have paid is about 9.5M a year in that time, which really is only 500K more than he'd hoped to pay).
This one REALLY worked out for Poile.
At the same time his trade value next summer on a deal much cheaper than the cap hit and a lifetime deal would make his trade value then off the charts.
At the same time his trade value next summer on a deal much cheaper than the cap hit and a lifetime deal would make his trade value then off the charts.
they could basically buy a top line. There would be what, maybe a dozen or two players in the league not in play.
No, but the salary numbers are low in those years. If the Flyers REALLY wanted to deter Nashville, they'd have added salary in the first 12, even 36, months.
Isn't he basically getting the max salary? 13 million bonus up front and 1 million base salary = the 14 million max or close to it? They can't really add lots of salary on top of that high of a bonus.
Really pisses me off to see all our rivals (especially Philly) getting much better while we just seem to be getting worse.
sadly, this.
nothing they added this year matches what they lost in terms of production. Glass and Asham are pretty much a wash. Michalek gone for nothing. Staal is better than Sutter and Dumoulin (i'm ignoring Pouliot because he's several years away from being in the picture). Sullivan is gone. what have the Pens really done to improve this team?
They won't trade him next summer. Too much money thrown out in the first 12 months to justify that. BUT, they likely will trade him in 6-8 years, when his play starts to tail off. And, as a matching team not bound by the NTC clause (if I read correctly) and with most of the contract money paid (i.e., for a small market team, salary < cap hit), Poile can wait 6-8 years and get an absolute bounty for Weber (what he'll have paid is about 9.5M a year in that time, which really is only 500K more than he'd hoped to pay).
This one REALLY worked out for Poile.
That's assuming that NSH ownership is willing to pay those Nuclear-level bonuses.
