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07-14-2012, 01:07 PM
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Freddie Hamilton

Does he make the Sharks this year? Coming off an impressive playoff in the OHL and reg season. Does he have the tools to crack the top 9 next season?

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07-14-2012, 01:20 PM
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No, or at least, it'd be extremely extremely doubtful.

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doubtful

likely 1-2 ahl seasons with injury call up time befores hes a regular NHLer

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I expect at least one year in the AHL. Then a tweener year, then full-time 3rd liner duty.

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07-14-2012, 05:35 PM
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I'm so damn excited for Sunday. I really am.

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07-14-2012, 05:40 PM
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Take couture, who is probably a notch above Hamilton talent wise, was sent to AHL first for at least a half a year of seasoning.

Comparing the two's 4 year OHL stats they seem to be more similar than one might think given where each was drafted.

Player Games Goals Points
Couture 232 111 287
Hamilton 258 108 252

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07-14-2012, 06:11 PM
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Take couture, who is probably a notch above Hamilton talent wise, was sent to AHL first for at least a half a year of seasoning.

Comparing the two's 4 year OHL stats they seem to be more similar than one might think given where each was drafted.

Player Games Goals Points
Couture 232 111 287
Hamilton 258 108 252
Wasnt hamilton a late bloomer in the ohl? While couture was here i am im great, this what you get.

The only reason couture went so low in the draft is because of his injury issues. If it wasnt for those he was looking to be a 1st or 2nd overall pick.

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07-14-2012, 06:17 PM
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I don't really care what junior stats say, Hamilton will never be close to Couture's NHL production.

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I don't really care what junior stats say, Hamilton will never be close to Couture's NHL production.
That's pretty absolute there Nostradamus.

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That's pretty absolute there Nostradamus.
I would bet everything I own that Hamilton will never have a 30 goal, 70 point season. It's pretty absolute.

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I don't think so. A year or 2 in the A would bode him well. But right now, he's not NHL ready.

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I'd rather the Sharks let him spend multiple years in the AHL developing. Obviously they'd bring him up sooner if they feel he's ready, but I don't want to rush him.

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I'm so damn excited for Sunday. I really am.
No way Hamilton plays this coming season in San Jose and can't frickin wait for Sunday night either!!!

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I could see Hamilton making the jump at some point next year. Assuming the Sharks see him as a 3rd liner they could bring him up and not completely kill his growth by playing him out of position. It's not like a top line player that will be asked to play a whole different game on the 3rd or 4th lines so bringing him up would be a mistake. He will play a sound defensive game without a whole bunch of points which is perfect for lines 3 and 4.

Not saying he will or won't, or can or can't, just that it's more likely based on where I see his role ending up in the NHL.

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07-15-2012, 12:26 AM
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Why would playing a player on the 3rd or 4th line kill a players developement? Just look at the sharks very own 1st line center and you will see it doesnt hurt nothing, it will in some cases help because the lower lines teach players defense.

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Why would playing a player on the 3rd or 4th line kill a players developement? Just look at the sharks very own 1st line center and you will see it doesnt hurt nothing, it will in some cases help because the lower lines teach players defense.
I'm pretty sure most prospects/young players playing on lower lines, don't have the talent Joe Thornton had at that age.

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07-15-2012, 12:55 AM
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Well there's also the fact that Tmac does power v power so Hamilton would probably play against 3rd line quality players if he did play in the NHL.

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I would bet everything I own that Hamilton will never have a 30 goal, 70 point season. It's pretty absolute.
Unlikely maybe but not far fetched. I say 25 goals and around the 55 pt level is realistic. He's not playing with the big boys this year I agree but I think it could be possible the following year.

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Pavelski started on the 3rd line and most people here said he'd never play on the 2nd line on most teams and assuredly not on the Sharks as long as Thornton and Marleau were on the team.

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07-15-2012, 01:14 PM
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Pavelski started on the 3rd line and most people here said he'd never play on the 2nd line on most teams and assuredly not on the Sharks as long as Thornton and Marleau were on the team.
I was not one of those people, but a few years ago most did not value players like Callahan and Drury as much as they do now. Jack of all trades type of players. If you watched UWisc when Pavs was there, you could see he was being used in that utility role although he was still their #1c. He was absolutely central to their play in all three areas, ES, PK and PP.

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Unless you're a high, high-end prospect, it usually at least a year to adjust to playing against men. Maybe next year though.

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Why would playing a player on the 3rd or 4th line kill a players developement? Just look at the sharks very own 1st line center and you will see it doesnt hurt nothing, it will in some cases help because the lower lines teach players defense.
Mostly because 3rd and 4th lines are used for defensive/energy purposes.

Most prospects have nhl skill but don't have experience/knowledge/strength.

If you put a prospect prematurely on the 3rd or 4th line they won't be of any use because they'll be out muscled. Then what happens is that prospect starts to lose confidence in their game. And once the confidence goes the development stops.

Certain prospects like Joe Pavelski already had great hockey IQ both offensive and defensive. No one knew that he would develop the skill he has today. Also since he played 4 years of college, he had a much more NHL ready body. He was 23 when he came into the league

Nieto and Hamilton are only 20. Lots of maturity to come in 3 years for them.

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Stop the speculation, Sharks fans.

We all know he's gonna get sent away in a package deal for some piece of crap anyway.

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