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08-25-2012, 06:09 PM
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What would they have to gain in December that they wouldn't gain now? I'm not sure I understand why it would be any different then than now, particularly in that they'd give in more then versus now. If anything, I would think they'd have a little more leverage by then.
My "insider" friend told me that they have an equity that pays them until then, so until that point, they have no reason to concede loss. Again, not sure the validity.

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08-25-2012, 07:10 PM
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Why don't they just bite the bullet and split the league into 3 or 4 divisions based on revenue. That would give every team the opportunity to participate in the playoffs and gain some additional revenue. When you think about it we have that situation today. IMHO this is more about the rich owners not willing to share. This would solve that.



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Apparently it's open season on Columbus, Florida and Phoenix. Ray Romano, I mean Michael Grange, blames the potential lockout on us!



http://www.sportsnet.ca/magazine/201...ve_easy_steps/


If you've ever heard Grange's voice, I think it's a dead ringer for Ray Romano.

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08-26-2012, 10:07 AM
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According to AP and others the NHLPA proposal...
  • Includes a 240 million revenue sharing plan (vs 190 million in NHL plan).
  • Allows clubs to trade salary cap space (can go 4 mill under or over).
  • Allows the NHL the "option of allocating draft picks to struggling teams as a means to energize their fan bases and restock rosters."
  • The NHLPA CBA 3 would be for three years, with an option for a fourth or revert to current CBA.
  • Player salaries would be artificially slowed which at current growth rate for HRR, would mean a $465 million cut by players.
  • No changes to entry level or UFA contracts process.
  • A limit on non-player spending.


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08-26-2012, 10:16 AM
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Here's what the NHL owners CBA proposed:
•The players' share of revenue would be reduced from 57 percent to 46 percent (the NHLPA says the league actually wants it reduced to 43 percent).
•5 year limit on contracts.
•Players would need to play 10 seasons in the NHL in order to become UFA.
•There would be no more salary arbitration.
•Entry-level contracts would be five years long rather than three.
•Expansion of the current revenue sharing plan.

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08-26-2012, 10:24 AM
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The NHLPA proposal is actually better for Columbus...

I hate the idea of giving draft picks to struggling teams. No idea how that can possibly be executed fairly, and unless they plan on allocating fairly high picks, it probably won't help that much.

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08-26-2012, 10:52 AM
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Per Darren Dreger "NHL likely to present another proposal" on Tuesday.

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08-26-2012, 11:53 AM
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The NHLPA proposal is actually better for Columbus...

I hate the idea of giving draft picks to struggling teams. No idea how that can possibly be executed fairly, and unless they plan on allocating fairly high picks, it probably won't help that much.
I agree unless they give us the first two next year

Seriously though how would they be allocated? If this were to be the case I would favor something like either
a) allocating after all the lottery teams picked once (i.e 15th-??) or
b) extending the first round by the appropriate number of picks

The question would be who gets them? Should Edmonton who just had 3 first overalls get one even if they finish in the bottom 3 again? Montreal who had one bad season after almost winning the East? NJ who is reportedly struggling financially but just finished as the Cup runner-up but then lost Parise?

Maybe if you finish in the bottom five 3 consecutive years you get one - but then again you just had 3 top 5 picks a la Edmonton and could be on the verge of breaking out anyway.

Where is Solomon when you need him?

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08-26-2012, 12:27 PM
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I would propose getting rid of revenue sharing altogether and doing this instead. All TV, radio, online live game coverage contracts - both local market and national - are negotiated by the league and all revenues are shared equally among all teams. The result is the same. The largest markets are sharing with the smallest markets.

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When they finally work this out, I will return to being interested in hockey again. Fro now, this whole process is nauseating, although I know it is necessary.

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I would also add a clause that states if a player requests a trade, their NTC is automatically waived and they can be traded to any team in the league.

Disciplinary penalties should be decided by a three-person committee: a representative from the league, from the NHLPA, and the referees union.

When trading players with big contracts, teams should be allowed to eat a portion of that salary. This will help the trade market open up a bit more.

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I would also add a clause that states if a player requests a trade, their NTC is automatically waived and they can be traded to any team in the league.

Disciplinary penalties should be decided by a three-person committee: a representative from the league, from the NHLPA, and the referees union.

When trading players with big contracts, teams should be allowed to eat a portion of that salary. This will help the trade market open up a bit more.
Then what's the point of having NTC/NMC?

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08-26-2012, 01:30 PM
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I find them all pretty disgustingly greedy and if there is a lockout again thats the end for me following NHL.

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The NHLPA proposal is actually better for Columbus...

I hate the idea of giving draft picks to struggling teams. No idea how that can possibly be executed fairly, and unless they plan on allocating fairly high picks, it probably won't help that much.
Add a early round for the teams that missed the playoffs every year?

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Then what's the point of having NTC/NMC?
Simply to avoid Nash-like scenarios. if the player can request a trade, then the team should have the right to trade him wherever the best deal can be had.

In its simplest form, a NT/NMC says the relationship will last for the term of the contract. To give one side an out and still be able to dictate where he'll go is a bit one sided.

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Then what's the point of having NTC/NMC?
... So they do NOT get traded without their consent if they wish to stay with the team.

A NTC/NMC protects a player from being traded or waived without his consent. In this scenario, it would still do this until a player demands a trade. NTC/NMC was not created so players could demand a trade and then supply a list of teams. That is a loophole and exploitation of their agreement.

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08-26-2012, 05:15 PM
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How about if a player with a NTC doesn't demand a trade, but says "if a trade that will help our team can be worked out with one of these six teams, I will accept it"?

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How about if a player with a NTC doesn't demand a trade, but says "if a trade that will help our team can be worked out with one of these six teams, I will accept it"?
Only if the GM is smart enough to keep quiet about it

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Then what's the point of having NTC/NMC?
For the reason it was originally created. To keep the team (on their own) from trading the player to an undesirable location without the player's input.

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Only if the GM is smart enough to keep quiet about it
That does seem to be the weak spot in the plan.

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08-26-2012, 09:19 PM
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I would propose getting rid of revenue sharing altogether and doing this instead. All TV, radio, online live game coverage contracts - both local market and national - are negotiated by the league and all revenues are shared equally among all teams. The result is the same. The largest markets are sharing with the smallest markets.
Combine this with a league-wide money pot for travel expenses. East coast teams save a bundle relative to western conference teams for travel/hotel expenses.

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Combine this with a league-wide money pot for travel expenses. East coast teams save a bundle relative to western conference teams for travel/hotel expenses.
I like the direction you're thinking there.

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Combine this with a league-wide money pot for travel expenses. East coast teams save a bundle relative to western conference teams for travel/hotel expenses.
Travel expenses, I see. But do they really save on hotels? I would imagine the costs of food / hotels etc are similar.

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Travel expenses, I see. But do they really save on hotels? I would imagine the costs of food / hotels etc are similar.
If you're the Rangers, you don't need hotel when playing the Devils or the Isles. Ottawa can hop on the bus after playing Montreal. Philly when playing New Jersey, Washington or NY and so on.

I could see set $ per mile. Since the big money is in the Northeast (region, not division) anyway, if they don't want to start traveling, they should start paying the teams that do.

Also, if they're going to continue this nonsense of having teams like Winnipeg, Detroit and Columbus in the wrong conference, at least compensate them for the additional travel required.

Candidly, I like cbjgirl's idea better than my own.

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Travel expenses, I see. But do they really save on hotels? I would imagine the costs of food / hotels etc are similar.
My assumption was that Western teams spend more time away from home. We'd need to see how many nights each team spent on the road to actually compare the numbers. I do think many Eastern Conference teams travel the day of the game, and return home that night (depending on who they are playing).

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08-27-2012, 02:23 PM
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I really like these last couple ideas

Request a trade, you waive the NTC/ NMC

All teams throw into the travel pot that is distributed on a per mile basis - this is great

tv/ media/ apparel handled by the league and split evenly (this would be huge)

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