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07-24-2012, 09:56 AM
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???? Really?
Yes. Oh no's, he'll lose some money, but it was OK to profit by way of those who committed the crimes. Ever thought about the victims? The actual victims.

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No offense but that is incredibly naive. It will never stop. I guess I agree on the level that no one will be dumb enough to try and skirt issues that could have grave consequences to the program (murder, ****, extreme violence, etc.), but if you think literally everything underneath that won't continue a reality check is necessary.

EDIT: So this entire conversation is about **** but word **** is censored on this site. Mmkay. Kinda like discussing pornography but muting the TV and putting a blanket over the screen because there happens to be a porn movie on.

EDIT 2: Oh for god's sake screw it.
That's it in a nutshell. Had they just reported it, Penn state might have taken a hit, but no where to the level this mess has. Penn States program wouldn't be getting sanctioned at all. Sandusky would just be going to jail with a minor black mark to that program.

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I'm guessing Ugene Malkin felt nothing but contempt for the people of Haiti when they fell on hard times, and New Orleans for that matter. I mean they were the ones that decided to live there so they're forced to deal with the consequences right? Not Ugene Malkin's problem.

And that my friends is a shining example of the complete stupidity of about 80% of people that try to comment on Penn State.
Are you really comparing this to a act of God?

They are feeling the noose from an actual crime that was committed from actual employee(s) covered up by higher employees to save face of a system that profited from those employees.

You do understand they all profited from criminals right?

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BTW I agree that vacating wins years after the fact is stupid. It's symbolic and not even in a very logical way. They should just skip that crap and make the current and future punishments fit the crimes and failures of the university. There's no going back, don't pretend like there is by erasing games off the books that everyone knows were won. It's insulting people's intelligence IMO.

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Please READ what was said. Someone mentioned that banning football would cripple the local economy and affect a large percentage of the population negatively. Whether you agree with that or not, the premise the poster set was essentially "Too bad, no one forced you to like that area and decide to live and work there." It speaks to the idea that tens of thousands of people who had absolutely zero to do with the horrible things that happens are out of luck, because hey no one forced them to live there. That's ridiculous and it's like saying "well, that's the risk you take" no matter what the circumstances. It's complete nonsense.

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BTW I agree that vacating wins years after the fact is stupid. It's symbolic and not even in a very logical way. They should just skip that crap and make the current and future punishments fit the crimes and failures of the university. There's no going back, don't pretend like there is by erasing games off the books that everyone knows were won. It's insulting people's intelligence IMO.
I agree, but how do you asterisk that?

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Yes. Oh no's, he'll lose some money, but it was OK to profit by way of those who committed the crimes. Ever thought about the victims? The actual victims.



That's it in a nutshell. Had they just reported it, Penn state might have taken a hit, but no where to the level this mess has. Penn States program wouldn't be getting sanctioned at all. Sandusky would just be going to jail with a minor black mark to that program.



Are you really comparing this to a act of God?

They are feeling the noose from an actual crime that was committed from actual employee(s) covered up by higher employees to save face of a system that profited from those employees.

You do understand they all profited from criminals right?


Nobody here is minimzing the impact of what this creep did to those victims and what they have to face for the rest of their lives and I resent the implication!! As far as I am concerned he (Sandusky) is getting off easy in this whole thing. Nor is anyone saying that Penn State officials including JoePa do not bear a very heavy burden in how this was handled. Let them be the ones punnished not the whole community!!

But the whole pack mentality of some (including the NCAA) that want to lump everyone or anything associated with Penn State with this broad stroke of hate and 'who cares what happens to you' is very unfair and leads me to believe you are reacting as someone who hated Penn State and everything about it long before these events became public!! That is very sad!!

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Please READ what was said. Someone mentioned that banning football would cripple the local economy and affect a large percentage of the population negatively. Whether you agree with that or not, the premise the poster set was essentially "Too bad, no one forced you to like that area and decide to live and work there." It speaks to the idea that tens of thousands of people who had absolutely zero to do with the horrible things that happens are out of luck, because hey no one forced them to live there. That's ridiculous and it's like saying "well, that's the risk you take" no matter what the circumstances. It's complete nonsense.
And you comparing that to victims of a natural disaster is complete nonsense as well.

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I agree, but how do you asterisk that?
If you're asking what I think you're asking, you don't. The reality here is it makes everyone feel like crap to look back and realize what was happening. To realize the team was winning games and making a ******** of money off the football program every year, and all the while those crimes were happening too, right under everyone's noses. Mentally people want some way of saying "I wish those games weren't won; they didn't deserve it", but that's an almost childish approach IMO.

Life is complicated. Sometimes terrible things are happening in places where other (seemingly good things) are happening. Church abuse scandals, PSU... on and on. We want to believe we can separate them because it's so incongruous, but we can't. We have to live with it. A close member of the PSU football community was serial-****** kids and all the while fans were cheering and games being won. That's the reality. Can't be undone, can't be asterisked.

The asterisk is removing the statue, stomping on the current program, and the rest. The asterisk for Barry Bonds will be to make sure he never gets a whif at the HOF (to compare a much less serious offense and records he made).

BTW, the amount of money these programs make... contrast that with the ever-rising tuition costs at these places and how the university presidents justify these BS increases as being necessary... it's a joke. You could run half the university off the football proceeds alone in most of these places. And ironically lots of that extra tuition money gets funneled to where it isn't needed... the already filthy rich football and basketball programs. It's ****ing disgusting how corrupt our university system has become.

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And you comparing that to victims of a natural disaster is complete nonsense as well.
Not based on what he said. It's identical again, based on the words on the screen. Refer to his comments. Essentially if something in your community happens that affects you negatively and you had absolutely no way of knowing it was going to happen you should get no sympathies. I don't know how many different ways I have to phrase what he wrote.


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I'm just a believer in you punish who was wrong. The whole program is being punished because of a child molester. That's essentially painting the whole program with a broad brush. They are all paying the price for it. That's the issue I have. The person who did wrong is being punished. That's what should happen. The NCAA is overstepping their bounds. This isn't a program cheating, or a program breaking rules. This is one very sick individual doing a mortifying act, and then the organization taking the wrap for it. Did K&L Gates get fined or shut down when that guy went in and sprayed the LA Fitness? Did the University of Colorado face punishment because of this sick ****er who shot up the movie theater? I mean, he used money they were giving him in a grant to buy all the weapons? I'm glad on teams I played on that the actions of some of my teammates weren't then pinned on me.

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A death penalty for four years would have crippled the local economy.....it would have been ridiculous to do so.

This is a place in the middle of nowhere, 85% of people here work for PSU, and the rest rely on football season to make their most profit.

I personally would lose thousands if they cancelled the season....why would that be fair to me?
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Your own risk. No one made you invest yourself in that football region.


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Please READ what was said. Someone mentioned that banning football would cripple the local economy and affect a large percentage of the population negatively. Whether you agree with that or not, the premise the poster set was essentially "Too bad, no one forced you to like that area and decide to live and work there." It speaks to the idea that tens of thousands of people who had absolutely zero to do with the horrible things that happens are out of luck, because hey no one forced them to live there. That's ridiculous and it's like saying "well, that's the risk you take" no matter what the circumstances. It's complete nonsense.
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And you comparing that to victims of a natural disaster is complete nonsense as well.

Here is the whole line of commentary and why comparing to a natural disaster certainly is relevant to the bolded comment!!

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Not based on what he said. It's identical again, based on the words on the screen. Refer to his comments. Essentially if something in your community happens that affects you negatively and you had absolutely no way of knowing it was going to happen you should get no sympathies. I don't know how many different ways I have to phrase what he wrote.
i heard you loud and clear.

if the others still need his point to be clarified, the tone that he was referring to was basically this: "If something bad happens in your neighborhood that you had nothing to do with, and it adversely affects your business, quality of living, etc., too bad. You chose to live there and nobody is forcing you to live there so you have to deal with it and shut your mouth."

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I'm just a believer in you punish who was wrong. The whole program is being punished because of a child molester. That's essentially painting the whole program with a broad brush. They are all paying the price for it. That's the issue I have. The person who did wrong is being punished. That's what should happen. The NCAA is overstepping their bounds. This isn't a program cheating, or a program breaking rules. This is one very sick individual doing a mortifying act, and then the organization taking the wrap for it. Did K&L Gates get fined or shut down when that guy went in and sprayed the LA Fitness? Did the University of Colorado face punishment because of this sick ****er who shot up the movie theater? I mean, he used money they were giving him in a grant to buy all the weapons? I'm glad on teams I played on that the actions of some of my teammates weren't then pinned on me.
You make it sound like no one knew Sandusky was ****** kids on school grounds. Everyone in power knew it and let it continue. They knew he was ****** kids and still let him use school facilities all the way until he was arrested.

It would be different if Sandusky was ****** kids at his house or something and no one involved at Penn State knew it was happening but instead, he was ****** kids on school grounds and everyone that mattered knew it was going on an allowed it. The school's decision-makers decided to protect football and reputation over children being ***** and is being punished for it. If people think Penn State should just be allowed to go back to playing football like nothing ever happened then I really don't know what to say.


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also, since people are probably going to assume i'm biased and think all the punishments Penn State got are unfair, allow me to speak my opinion on this matter first.

i think the penalties are fair. i think i'm also in the minority of Penn Staters who thinks the penalties are fair, which is disappointing. i think the $60M fine is the biggest hit the school will take, not the vacated wins, not the lost scholarships, not the bowl ban, none of those will hit as hard as the fines IMO.

the fact that ALL wins from 1998 to 2011 is unusual since it'll punish every single player from those years, not just Paterno and the other higher-ups (which should have been the aim with the sanctions). however, this isn't the players getting ***** while the authority figures cover it up. this is a large group of alumni being told years later that their athletic achievements in college are now all gone. everything they worked for on that team has disappeared.

i think that's the biggest issue i have with the sanctions, but there are worse things out there than people just "forgetting" your hard work for a football team ever happened. the people who were there will remember it regardless of the sanctions anyway.

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Not based on what he said. It's identical again, based on the words on the screen. Refer to his comments. Essentially if something in your community happens that affects you negatively and you had absolutely no way of knowing it was going to happen you should get no sympathies. I don't know how many different ways I have to phrase what he wrote.
LOL. So to you there is no difference between having your home destroyed by a natural disaster that was no one's fault and you losing business as a result of someone else's poor actions? Your analogy was ridiculous and that's all I'm saying.

As I mentioned before, IF they canceled football in Penn State for 4 years I would feel for the business owners that would suffer to no fault of their own. But damn man, get some perspective.

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I'm just a believer in you punish who was wrong. The whole program is being punished because of a child molester. That's essentially painting the whole program with a broad brush. They are all paying the price for it. That's the issue I have. The person who did wrong is being punished. That's what should happen. The NCAA is overstepping their bounds. This isn't a program cheating, or a program breaking rules. This is one very sick individual doing a mortifying act, and then the organization taking the wrap for it. Did K&L Gates get fined or shut down when that guy went in and sprayed the LA Fitness? Did the University of Colorado face punishment because of this sick ****er who shot up the movie theater? I mean, he used money they were giving him in a grant to buy all the weapons? I'm glad on teams I played on that the actions of some of my teammates weren't then pinned on me.
uhh totally different situations. Did the gym owner fail to report who did it because it would look poorly on his business?

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Here is the whole line of commentary and why comparing to a natural disaster certainly is relevant to the bolded comment!!
I read the commentary and it was a ridiculous comparison.

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How long will people continue to dwell on this?

The media, feeding off the inexcusable actions of one man and the cowardly inactions of four others, have eliminated a university president and head coach. They have disgraced the alma mater of over 200,000 students and alumni, erased Paterno’s name and likeness from his campus, effectively taken his life, his history, and now the football program he dedicated his life to. There is nothing else you can take from him, or from us.

We, as Penn State students and human beings, know what those men did, or didn’t do was wrong.

Now please leave us alone.

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They have disgraced the alma mater of over 550,000 students and alumni,
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You either have not read the reports or you are afraid to admit the scope of this problem.

Many in PSU enabled Sandusky to do carry out his despicable deeds, by providing him with unlimited access to the facilities (even after he was no longer a coach), opportunity (to be around kids associated with the University), and silence of others high up the university chain who knew he was doing something wrong.

This idea that only the actual rapist is responsible and that everyone else's hands are clean is to literally stick your head in the sand. I realize it hurts to see something like this happen to an organization that maybe you care a lot about and previously thought to be "classy" or whatever word you want to use... but the facts are plain. Sandusky basically turned PSU (a place where kids probably felt safe and that they could trust the adults there), into a ****-factory and the people in power -- the "leaders"-- just stood by and did nothing.

And this Adam T guy above is typical of an under-educated athlete who can't think his way out of a paper bag. Yah you played the games, you won the games, you almost died. All completely irrelevant to the matter at hand. This is the real problem with the NCAA. By doing this stupid symbolic **** with the vacating wins, it diverts everyone's attention (including former players) from where it SHOULD be. On the kids, and on questioning the football culture and making it BETTER. Solving the problems that lead to this kind of situation, as it is a systemic set of problems, not just one crazy criminal running amok.

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Here is the whole line of commentary and why comparing to a natural disaster certainly is relevant to the bolded comment!!
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I personally would lose thousands if they cancelled the season....why would that be fair to me?
I'm talking about money, what are you guys basing my comment off of?

He's worried about the thousands he would lose if they canceled the seasons.

Has nothing to do with natural disasters, but it is worrying about profiting still off a program that is what it is from criminals.

It's like a pirate ship that gets surrounded shot up and sinks but some of the crew make it to life rafts then they start complaining about the loot stash sinking to the bottom with the ship.

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LOL. So to you there is no difference between having your home destroyed by a natural disaster that was no one's fault and you losing business as a result of someone else's poor actions? Your analogy was ridiculous and that's all I'm saying.

As I mentioned before, IF they canceled football in Penn State for 4 years I would feel for the business owners that would suffer to no fault of their own. But damn man, get some perspective.
You seem to think I'm trying to equate the severity or hardship of one to the other. That's not what I'm doing at all. IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THAT POSTER BELIEVES, yes they are the same, but ONLY IN THAT CONTEXT.

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You either have not read the reports or you are afraid to admit the scope of this problem.

Many in PSU enabled Sandusky to do carry out his despicable deeds, by providing him with unlimited access to the facilities (even after he was no longer a coach), opportunity (to be around kids associated with the University), and silence of others high up the university chain who knew he was doing something wrong.

This idea that only the actual rapist is responsible and that everyone else's hands are clean is to literally stick your head in the sand. I realize it hurts to see something like this happen to an organization that maybe you care a lot about and previously thought to be "classy" or whatever word you want to use... but the facts are plain. Sandusky basically turned PSU (a place where kids probably felt safe and that they could trust the adults there), into a ****-factory and the people in power -- the "leaders"-- just stood by and did nothing.

And this Adam T guy above is typical of an under-educated athlete who can't think his way out of a paper bag. Yah you played the games, you won the games, you almost died. All completely irrelevant to the matter at hand. This is the real problem with the NCAA. By doing this stupid symbolic **** with the vacating wins, it diverts everyone's attention (including former players) from where it SHOULD be. On the kids, and on questioning the football culture and making it BETTER. Solving the problems that lead to this kind of situation, as it is a systemic set of problems, not just one crazy criminal running amok.
Sorry, that ship sailed from day one once the media got ahold of this my friend. Christ, Paterno is talked about more than any other aspect of this. There's a reason for it. We live in the information age and people are more interested in tearing famous figures down (right or wrong) than truth and reality. You don't have to like it, hell I despite it more than almost anything myself, but I'm just reporting the news.

PS: Just my opinion but Taliaferro is probably one of the last people that need to be insulted here. All he was saying was that he hurt his neck/spine in a game, couldn't walk for awhile, and rehabbed his ass off and now walks after being told it would probably never happen again for him. All because of a football game that supposedly never happened. It's just a tweet, not the main story here. He's also as well-educated as most people that's a fact.

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You either have not read the reports or you are afraid to admit the scope of this problem.

Many in PSU enabled Sandusky to do carry out his despicable deeds, by providing him with unlimited access to the facilities (even after he was no longer a coach), opportunity (to be around kids associated with the University), and silence of others high up the university chain who knew he was doing something wrong.

This idea that only the actual rapist is responsible and that everyone else's hands are clean is to literally stick your head in the sand. I realize it hurts to see something like this happen to an organization that maybe you care a lot about and previously thought to be "classy" or whatever word you want to use... but the facts are plain. Sandusky basically turned PSU (a place where kids probably felt safe and that they could trust the adults there), into a ****-factory and the people in power -- the "leaders"-- just stood by and did nothing.

And this Adam T guy above is typical of an under-educated athlete who can't think his way out of a paper bag. Yah you played the games, you won the games, you almost died. All completely irrelevant to the matter at hand. This is the real problem with the NCAA. By doing this stupid symbolic **** with the vacating wins, it diverts everyone's attention (including former players) from where it SHOULD be. On the kids, and on questioning the football culture and making it BETTER. Solving the problems that lead to this kind of situation, as it is a systemic set of problems, not just one crazy criminal running amok.
Actually, he graduated, went to Law School, is on a Board of Chosen Freeholders in NJ, as well as a PSU Board of Trustee member. Do you really think Penn Staters do not wake up every day and think about the awful acts that the victims had to endure and feel terrible about it? We probably think about it way more than you do. I find it ridiculous however, that every single comment made regarding PSU has to be prefaced with something about the victims or people are quick to jump on it and say 'oh well you don't care about the victims'

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If you're asking what I think you're asking, you don't. The reality here is it makes everyone feel like crap to look back and realize what was happening. To realize the team was winning games and making a ******** of money off the football program every year, and all the while those crimes were happening too, right under everyone's noses. Mentally people want some way of saying "I wish those games weren't won; they didn't deserve it", but that's an almost childish approach IMO.

Life is complicated. Sometimes terrible things are happening in places where other (seemingly good things) are happening. Church abuse scandals, PSU... on and on. We want to believe we can separate them because it's so incongruous, but we can't. We have to live with it. A close member of the PSU football community was serial-****** kids and all the while fans were cheering and games being won. That's the reality. Can't be undone, can't be asterisked.

The asterisk is removing the statue, stomping on the current program, and the rest. The asterisk for Barry Bonds will be to make sure he never gets a whif at the HOF (to compare a much less serious offense and records he made).

BTW, the amount of money these programs make... contrast that with the ever-rising tuition costs at these places and how the university presidents justify these BS increases as being necessary... it's a joke. You could run half the university off the football proceeds alone in most of these places. And ironically lots of that extra tuition money gets funneled to where it isn't needed... the already filthy rich football and basketball programs. It's ****ing disgusting how corrupt our university system has become.
I fully understand your fundamentals here. No asterisk.

Fully agree on programs ridicules funding's while many other more worth while programs get passed over.

The head of the nail shows more and more and it's a spitting image of $.

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You make it sound like no one knew Sandusky was ****** kids on school grounds. Everyone in power knew it and let it continue. They knew he was ****** kids and still let him use school facilities all the way until he was arrested.

It would be different if Sandusky was ****** kids at his house or something and no one involved at Penn State knew it was happening but instead, he was ****** kids on school grounds and everyone that mattered knew it was going on an allowed it. The school's decision-makers decided to protect football and reputation over children being ***** and is being punished for it. If people think Penn State should just be allowed to go back to playing football like nothing ever happened then I really don't know what to say.
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Originally Posted by Shady Machine View Post
uhh totally different situations. Did the gym owner fail to report who did it because it would look poorly on his business?

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Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale View Post
You either have not read the reports or you are afraid to admit the scope of this problem.

Many in PSU enabled Sandusky to do carry out his despicable deeds, by providing him with unlimited access to the facilities (even after he was no longer a coach), opportunity (to be around kids associated with the University), and silence of others high up the university chain who knew he was doing something wrong.

This idea that only the actual rapist is responsible and that everyone else's hands are clean is to literally stick your head in the sand. I realize it hurts to see something like this happen to an organization that maybe you care a lot about and previously thought to be "classy" or whatever word you want to use... but the facts are plain. Sandusky basically turned PSU (a place where kids probably felt safe and that they could trust the adults there), into a ****-factory and the people in power -- the "leaders"-- just stood by and did nothing.

And this Adam T guy above is typical of an under-educated athlete who can't think his way out of a paper bag. Yah you played the games, you won the games, you almost died. All completely irrelevant to the matter at hand. This is the real problem with the NCAA. By doing this stupid symbolic **** with the vacating wins, it diverts everyone's attention (including former players) from where it SHOULD be. On the kids, and on questioning the football culture and making it BETTER. Solving the problems that lead to this kind of situation, as it is a systemic set of problems, not just one crazy criminal running amok.
Who on the current staff enabled anyone though? That's the thing. This current team, the players who are there, and the players coming in have nothing to do with this. The people who did have something to do with it were fired, they have died, or they will be in jail forever.

Those who had something to do with it have been punished - now if you want to talk about the scope of the punishments, feel free. Rather than punishing those who were at fault though, current and present members of the PSU football team are taking the complete brunt of the problem. It's not right. The collateral damage should be minimized, but rather anyone with PSU is guilty by association.

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