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07-16-2012, 11:52 AM
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Why did they prior to the cap?
They didn't. That's why revenue is up since then.

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07-16-2012, 11:58 AM
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They didn't. That's why revenue is up since then.
Uh, they still supported the league.

It's unclear why the average fan should give two turds about revenues. People like to pretend their interest in the NHL is as a shareholder rather than someone who wants to see their team win.

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07-16-2012, 12:00 PM
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Lidström played 117 minutes SH at last season. Yandle has played 132 SH minutes in his career.

Gives some perspective.
That doesn't matter too much to me. Anybody who is looking at this as a way to replace Lidstrom is out of their minds. If we bring in Yandle it would strictly be for offensive and PP production and a guy who can eat up a lot of minutes 5v5. Ericsson, Kronwall, Quincey, Smith a crease clearer can handle the PK duties.

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07-16-2012, 12:02 PM
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That list of players doesn't really prove anything it's just a bunch of players that you can now look back on as evidence of KH doing a poor job, when really you have no clue.
Yeah, Bob, how do you know Holland didn't try?

Criticizing Holland produces some wicked déjà vu.

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07-16-2012, 12:09 PM
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Ehrhoff
Never made it to UFA.

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Never made it to UFA. Sounds like he wasn't interested in DET either.

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KH probably coulda took a shot here.

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Ditto Fleischmann.

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07-16-2012, 12:12 PM
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It would have taken a late round draft pick to acquire ehrhoffs rights. Don't pretend that holland couldn't have easily acquired him if he wanted to.

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07-16-2012, 12:12 PM
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Noooooo I'm a spoiled wings fan...I've only been around since the mid '90s

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07-16-2012, 12:48 PM
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The single common denominator over that 20 yr period has been Lidstrom.

The Wings were not a normal hockey team during that time, a near dynasty in fact.

You'll never replace Lids, so we really do need to set our sights down a notch or two.

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07-16-2012, 12:52 PM
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Uh, they still supported the league.

It's unclear why the average fan should give two turds about revenues. People like to pretend their interest in the NHL is as a shareholder rather than someone who wants to see their team win.

Pretty insightful comment. I know I like to discuss the economic side of it as an academic pursuit, but realistically, why should I care if a franchise or two perishes? I don't like seeing my team handicapped.

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07-16-2012, 12:54 PM
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If we sign Scott Hannan and Semin, would you people be happy for that team?

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07-16-2012, 12:56 PM
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The single common denominator over that 20 yr period has been Lidstrom.

The Wings were not a normal hockey team during that time, a near dynasty in fact.

You'll never replace Lids, so we really do need to set our sights down a notch or two.
Truth with modification... you'll never replace prime lidstrom but it's easy to replace the 11/12 lidstrom, he was average as hell last season.

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07-16-2012, 01:25 PM
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Uh, they still supported the league.

It's unclear why the average fan should give two turds about revenues. People like to pretend their interest in the NHL is as a shareholder rather than someone who wants to see their team win.
"They" did?

Revenue is up because there are more fans.

There are more fans because people who are fans now were not fans back then.

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07-16-2012, 01:26 PM
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Christian Ehrhoff

Never made it to UFA.
Really... that's the best you can do? Because a 4th rd pick for negotiating rights, and a 4 million dollar a year cap hit is sooooo much for a 50 point defenseman who can log big minutes and make your PP better.

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07-16-2012, 01:41 PM
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Really... that's the best you can do? Because a 4th rd pick for negotiating rights, and a 4 million dollar a year cap hit is sooooo much for a 50 point defenseman who can log big minutes and make your PP better.
Let's ignore that it was a 10-year deal and Ehrhoff has hit 50 points once (on a loaded Vancouver team).

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07-16-2012, 01:52 PM
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Wow, I'm not convinced that I should come off the ledge!

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07-16-2012, 01:54 PM
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Totally agree!
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Uh, they still supported the league.

It's unclear why the average fan should give two turds about revenues. People like to pretend their interest in the NHL is as a shareholder rather than someone who wants to see their team win.

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07-16-2012, 01:57 PM
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If the Wings don't make the playoffs - it won't be because of Lidstrom or Bettman

It will be because Holland chose not to improve the team.
We all know how he didn't throw contracts at Suter or Parise or anything.

What do you want, a team ran by Vito Corleone?

"Ken Holland insisted to the two men that either their brains or their signatures would be on the paper."

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07-16-2012, 01:58 PM
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Wow, I'm not convinced that I should come off the ledge!
May I have your season ticket then?

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07-16-2012, 02:03 PM
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The way to win in the NHL now is suck for three years, get high draft picks, then go on a run.

Just accept the fact the Wings will suck for a little bit. It's much easier to live that way.

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07-16-2012, 02:18 PM
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Let's ignore that it was a 10-year deal and Ehrhoff has hit 50 points once (on a loaded Vancouver team).
Whatever, 40-50 pts a year puts you in the top 10 for defenseman most years. That is great value for a defenseman making 4.0m a year. And 10 years/40 million is nothing compared to the 13 years/98 million Suter just got. And I bet you were in favor of that deal.... and Rafalski's deal that put signed him to a similar age. But let's ignore that too.

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07-16-2012, 02:29 PM
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Funny how everyone on this board refers to Filppula as a "70 point forward" (which he has never done), but yet people will nitpick when I refer to Ehrhoff as a "50 point defenseman" (which he has actually done).

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07-16-2012, 02:36 PM
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Funny how everyone on this board refers to Filppula as a "70 point forward" (which he has never done), but yet people will nitpick when I refer to Ehrhoff as a "50 point defenseman" (which he has actually done).
Who is calling Flip a 70 pt forward?

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07-16-2012, 02:45 PM
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I have to be honest and I don't mean this directly to the OP, but I think we could stand to lose a few of these spoiled Wings fans over the ledge.

The world will not end if we have a rough season, I am more worried about some of the trades people around here want to happen. If you have faith in the pipeline and belief in some of the guys continuing to progress not all is lost. We aren't cup favorites, but we have a roster that should make the playoffs so we will see, still a long way until we are stuck with this roster after the deadline.

I just hope we have hockey next season, much scarier than will the Wings be the 10th best team in the NHL.

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07-16-2012, 04:18 PM
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revenues could be up for the simple fact that there are more teams now than in the not so distant past and inflation.

An amish farmers revenue from eggs is probably up significantly since the late 90's if he sells to outsiders.

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07-16-2012, 04:24 PM
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Really... that's the best you can do? Because a 4th rd pick for negotiating rights, and a 4 million dollar a year cap hit is sooooo much for a 50 point defenseman who can log big minutes and make your PP better.
It probably would've had to be a 3rd round pick at least. Vancouver wouldn't have traded him to the Western Conference for a worse pick then Buffalo offered. On top of that Buffalo probably offers a 3rd and then you are getting into a stupid bidding war for negotiation rights. I would love to have Ehrhoff here. Also our defense at this point last year looked damn good so giving up a 3rd for his rights didn't make much sense.

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