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Sabres drafting during the 05-07 run

I know hindsight is 20/20

And I know we didn't have great picks back then.

But ouch.


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2005 1 13 Marek Zagrapan
2005 2 48 Philipp Gogulla
2005 3 87 Marc-Andre Gragnani
2005 4 96 Chris Butler
2005 5 142 Nathan Gerbe
2005 6 182 Adam Dennis
2005 6 191 Vyacheslav Buravchikov
2005 7 208 Matt Generous
2005 7 227 Andrew Orpik
2006 1 24 Dennis Persson
2006 2 46 Jhonas Enroth
2006 2 57 Mike Weber
2006 4 117 Felix Schutz
2006 5 147 Alex Biega
2006 7 207 Benjamin Breault
2007 2 31 T. J. Brennan
2007 2 59 Drew Schiestel
2007 3 89 Corey Tropp
2007 5 139 Bradley Eidsness
2007 5 147 Jean-Simon Allard
2007 6 179 Paul Byron
2007 7 187 Nick Eno
2007 7 209 Drew Mackenzie
-Gerbe and Butler probably the best current players out of the bunch.
-Tropp probably the only player from 07 that establishes a full-time NHL career.
-Enroth has potential, Weber could still turn it around, but 06 isn't great.

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Video scouting was the right move and so was getting rid of the previous drafting regime. Devine and company have been great.

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Video scouting was the right move and so was getting rid of the previous drafting regime. Devine and company have been great.
what do you mean by video scouting? Were they not using video?

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Video scouting was the right move and so was getting rid of the previous drafting regime. Devine and company have been great.
Agreed. Also, during that era they drafted a different kind of prospect, IMO. Guys who were much longer-term developmental prospects. Since 2008 they've done a much better job of getting players who are either closer to the NHL or have some aspect that is NHL-ready or close to it.

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Missing on Zagrapan and Perrson were huge. A top 6 center and top 4 d would have been dynamite.

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what do you mean by video scouting? Were they not using video?
They had their scouting staff cut back under the previous ownership. So they used video scouting to make up for the loss of staff. It allowed them to cast a wider net than just using scouts would have done. They would use it to narrowing down who they would send their scouts to look at.

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They had their scouting staff cut back under the previous ownership. So they used video scouting to make up for the loss of staff. It allowed them to cast a wider net than just using scouts would have done. They would use it to narrowing down who they would send their scouts to look at.
Do they still do that, or are they combining video and on-site scouts?

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Do they still do that, or are they combining video and on-site scouts?
They still do it but have a larger scouting staff as well. Best of both worlds.

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They still do it but have a larger scouting staff as well. Best of both worlds.
Good news. Thanks

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Yeah, I think they anounced the switch around 07? And we were all upset because we thought things had been going so well.

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2005 1 13 Marek Zagrapan
2005 2 48 Philipp Gogulla
2005 3 87 Marc-Andre Gragnani - traded for Alex Sulzer
2005 4 96 Chris Butler - traded for Robyn Regehr
2005 5 142 Nathan Gerbe - quality checking line player
2005 6 182 Adam Dennis
2005 6 191 Vyacheslav Buravchikov
2005 7 208 Matt Generous
2005 7 227 Andrew Orpik
2006 1 24 Dennis Persson
2006 2 46 Jhonas Enroth - quality backup netminder
2006 2 57 Mike Weber - depth defenseman
2006 4 117 Felix Schutz
2006 5 147 Alex Biega
2006 7 207 Benjamin Breault
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2007 2 31 T. J. Brennan - still on the farm
2007 2 59 Drew Schiestel - still on the farm
2007 3 89 Corey Tropp - third line energy player
2007 5 139 Bradley Eidsness
2007 5 147 Jean-Simon Allard
2007 6 179 Paul Byron - traded for Robyn Regehr
2007 7 187 Nick Eno
2007 7 209 Drew Mackenzie

Between '04 and '06, Benning left, Luce left, and Carriere left. They cut the scouting staff in '06 as part of their cost cuts.

They crapped the bed on Persson and Zagrapan. They also used a first on Zubrus. There is no star in there, but they have Robyn Regehr and Alex Sulzer from that collection, as well as a good backup netminder, two third line forwards, a depth defenseman. Not great, not horrible.

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Do they still do that, or are they combining video and on-site scouts?
Most teams in the NHL use video now, including Buffalo still..though when the Sabres were forced to use video before it was seen as viable (because you couldn't see the player away from the puck and the quality was awful) they were alone, and lost a few of the scouts they didn't fire because they thought it was ridiculous.

ETA: Now that we have PegulaBucks, the scouting staff has jumped from 8 to 22, so I assume video plays a much lesser role now than it did a few years ago.

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I really wanted Eidsness and Allard to develop.

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They crapped the bed on Persson and Zagrapan. They also used a first on Zubrus. There is no star in there, but they have Robyn Regehr and Alex Sulzer from that collection, as well as a good backup netminder, two third line forwards, a depth defenseman. Not great, not horrible.
You can spin it that way, I suppose. But then when you compare it to the subsequent several years, for example, it looks like a steaming pile:

I'll just hit the most obvious highlights for each year:
2008: Myers, Ennis, Adam
2009: Kassian, McNabb, Foligno
2010: Pysyk, Gauthier-Leduc, Sundher
2011: Armia, Catenacci
2012: Grigorenko, Girgensons

Any one of those years is far superior to the entirety of 2005-07. AENIC.

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Most teams in the NHL use video now, including Buffalo still..though when the Sabres were forced to use video before it was seen as viable (because you couldn't see the player away from the puck and the quality was awful) they were alone, and lost a few of the scouts they didn't fire because they thought it was ridiculous.

ETA: Now that we have PegulaBucks, the scouting staff has jumped from 8 to 22, so I assume video plays a much lesser role now than it did a few years ago.
Thanks. If it's like the NFL, they'll scout in person, and then primarily use film to confirm what they think they saw. Though hockey's various feeder systems probably make the other way around viable as well. It's super easy to go see UNC play FSU and see 20 pro prospects on the wide-view tape. Not so much with hockey, I suspect.

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You can spin it that way, I suppose. But then when you compare it to the subsequent several years, for example, it looks like a steaming pile:

I'll just hit the most obvious highlights for each year:
2008: Myers, Ennis, Adam
2009: Kassian, McNabb, Foligno
2010: Pysyk, Gauthier-Leduc, Sundher
2011: Armia, Catenacci
2012: Grigorenko, Girgensons

Any one of those years is far superior to the entirety of 2005-07. AENIC.
Eh, if you start looking around at the '05-07 drafts, there is a lot of crap for a lot of teams in those three years. Regular NHLers as drafted by different teams in that span:

Anaheim - 3, of which one is #2 overall Bobby Ryan; Matt Beleskey and Brendan Mikkelson are the others.
Atlanta - 2 with Pavelec, Little
Boston - 4, Sobotka, Kessel, Lucic, Marchand
Calgary - 2, Backlund and Aulie
Carolina - 3, Jack Johnson (#3 overall), McBain, and Sutter (#11 overall)
Chicago - 4, Skille, Hjalmarsson, Toews (#3 overall) and Kane (#1 overall)
Colorado - 4, Stastny, Galiardi, Stewart, Shattenkirk (Hensick, Stoa, and Cumisky are all in the AHL when not on a near-last place team)
Columbus - 8, Brule, McQuaid, Russell, Boll, Dorsett, Mason, Brassard, Voracek... three of those are top 7 picks.
Dallas - 4, Wandell, Benn, Neal, and Niskanen
Detroit - 4, Helm, Abdelkader, Kindl, Matthias
Edmonton - 4, Cogliano, Petry, Peckham, Gagner (#6 overall)
Florida - 2, Frolik and Ellerby... both #10 overalls.
LA - 6, Kopitar, Quick, Lewis, Bernier, Simmonds, and Martinez
Minny - 5 Pouliot, Sheppard (both top 10) Clutterbuck, Gillies, Falk
Montreal - 8, Price, Latendresse, D'Agostini, Sergei Kostitsyn, McDonagh, Pacioretty, Subban, Weber
Nashville - 5, Hornqvist, Franson, Santorelli, Blum, Spalling
NJ - 3, Bergfors, Fayne, Halischuk
NY Islanders - 2 Okposo (#7 overall) and MacDonald
NY Rangers - 5, Staal, Sauer, Pyatt, Anisimov, Hagelin
Ottawa - 5, Lee (#9 overall), Greening, Condra, Foligno, Daugavins
Philly - 4, Downie, Giroux, Nodl, Van Riemsdyk (#2 overall)
Phoenix - 4, Hanzal, Yandle, Mueller, Turris... 2 of them top 10
Pittsburgh - 4, Sid (#1), Letang, Vitale, Staal (#2)
SJ - 6, Setoguchi (#8), Vlasic, McGinn, Couture (#9), Bonino, and Braun
St. Louis - 6, Oshie, Reaves, Johnson (#1), Berglund, Eller, Perron
Tampa - 0. Zero. Dana Tyrell played a full season two years ago but was back in the minors. Blair Jones has never played more than 22 games in a single NHL season.
Toronto - 8 (shocking, I know) Rask, Stralman, Tlusty, Kulemin, Reimer, Stalber, Gunnarsson, and Frattin
Vancouver - 3, Grabner and Raymond. Nothing for '07 at all, not a single game played so far. HM to Luc Bourdon as a third.
Washington - 5, Alzner (#5), Backstrom (#4), Varlamov, Neuvirth, Perreault

Considering Buffalo had no top 10 picks and still produced 5 NHLers over that span is actually right in the middle of the curve. 18 other teams produced fewer in that span, particularly given how much of a dog the '07 draft is turning out to be. It's not glittering, but it doesn't suck on say a Tampa scale.

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Eh, if you start looking around at the '05-07 drafts, there is a lot of crap for a lot of teams in those three years. Regular NHLers as drafted by different teams in that span:

Anaheim - 3, of which one is #2 overall Bobby Ryan; Matt Beleskey and Brendan Mikkelson are the others.
Atlanta - 2 with Pavelec, Little
Boston - 4, Sobotka, Kessel, Lucic, Marchand
Calgary - 2, Backlund and Aulie
Carolina - 3, Jack Johnson (#3 overall), McBain, and Sutter (#11 overall)
Chicago - 4, Skille, Hjalmarsson, Toews (#3 overall) and Kane (#1 overall)
Colorado - 4, Stastny, Galiardi, Stewart, Shattenkirk (Hensick, Stoa, and Cumisky are all in the AHL when not on a near-last place team)
Columbus - 8, Brule, McQuaid, Russell, Boll, Dorsett, Mason, Brassard, Voracek... three of those are top 7 picks.
Dallas - 4, Wandell, Benn, Neal, and Niskanen
Detroit - 4, Helm, Abdelkader, Kindl, Matthias
Edmonton - 4, Cogliano, Petry, Peckham, Gagner (#6 overall)
Florida - 2, Frolik and Ellerby... both #10 overalls.
LA - 6, Kopitar, Quick, Lewis, Bernier, Simmonds, and Martinez
Minny - 5 Pouliot, Sheppard (both top 10) Clutterbuck, Gillies, Falk
Montreal - 8, Price, Latendresse, D'Agostini, Sergei Kostitsyn, McDonagh, Pacioretty, Subban, Weber
Nashville - 5, Hornqvist, Franson, Santorelli, Blum, Spalling
NJ - 3, Bergfors, Fayne, Halischuk
NY Islanders - 2 Okposo (#7 overall) and MacDonald
NY Rangers - 5, Staal, Sauer, Pyatt, Anisimov, Hagelin
Ottawa - 5, Lee (#9 overall), Greening, Condra, Foligno, Daugavins
Philly - 4, Downie, Giroux, Nodl, Van Riemsdyk (#2 overall)
Phoenix - 4, Hanzal, Yandle, Mueller, Turris... 2 of them top 10
Pittsburgh - 4, Sid (#1), Letang, Vitale, Staal (#2)
SJ - 6, Setoguchi (#8), Vlasic, McGinn, Couture (#9), Bonino, and Braun
St. Louis - 6, Oshie, Reaves, Johnson (#1), Berglund, Eller, Perron
Tampa - 0. Zero. Dana Tyrell played a full season two years ago but was back in the minors. Blair Jones has never played more than 22 games in a single NHL season.
Toronto - 8 (shocking, I know) Rask, Stralman, Tlusty, Kulemin, Reimer, Stalber, Gunnarsson, and Frattin
Vancouver - 3, Grabner and Raymond. Nothing for '07 at all, not a single game played so far. HM to Luc Bourdon as a third.
Washington - 5, Alzner (#5), Backstrom (#4), Varlamov, Neuvirth, Perreault

Considering Buffalo had no top 10 picks and still produced 5 NHLers over that span is actually right in the middle of the curve. 18 other teams produced fewer in that span, particularly given how much of a dog the '07 draft is turning out to be. It's not glittering, but it doesn't suck on say a Tampa scale.
So basically the league wasn't producing nhl talent at that time?

A really cool analysis would see if you can trace this back to an unpopular time in hockey's time, and see if it may have caused a drop-off in people getting into the sport at a young age. Or maybe even economic depression, causing less people to be able to play. I'm just throwing poo at the wall here.

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So basically the league wasn't producing nhl talent at that time?

A really cool analysis would see if you can trace this back to an unpopular time in hockey's time, and see if it may have caused a drop-off in people getting into the sport at a young age. Or maybe even economic depression, causing less people to be able to play. I'm just throwing poo at the wall here.
Well, the '07's would've been '89 birth year so you have them born a year after Wayne was traded and starting to enter the development stream during the Gulf War and around the '92 Olympics. *shrug*

'07 is just a crap draft year. There are 10 guys drafted in the first round who haven't become established NHLers -- 6 (7 including Cherepanov) have never played an NHL game. After the first round, there are only three or four NHL regulars per round in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds. Heck, round 5 has 1 -- ONE -- NHLer. Granted, he's probably one of the best in the entire draft in Jamie Benn, but still, it was a dog of a year. Just crap.

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You can spin it that way, I suppose. But then when you compare it to the subsequent several years, for example, it looks like a steaming pile:

I'll just hit the most obvious highlights for each year:
2008: Myers, Ennis, Adam
2009: Kassian, McNabb, Foligno
2010: Pysyk, Gauthier-Leduc, Sundher
2011: Armia, Catenacci
2012: Grigorenko, Girgensons

Any one of those years is far superior to the entirety of 2005-07. AENIC.
I agree with you that it looks better but the only players who have really shown anything so far are Meyers, Ennis and Foligno.
No one knows if a player's potential will translate into success at the pro level until it actually happens

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Eh, if you start looking around at the '05-07 drafts, there is a lot of crap for a lot of teams in those three years. Regular NHLers as drafted by different teams in that span:

Anaheim - 3, of which one is #2 overall Bobby Ryan; Matt Beleskey and Brendan Mikkelson are the others.
Atlanta - 2 with Pavelec, Little
Boston - 4, Sobotka, Kessel, Lucic, Marchand
Calgary - 2, Backlund and Aulie
Carolina - 3, Jack Johnson (#3 overall), McBain, and Sutter (#11 overall)
Chicago - 4, Skille, Hjalmarsson, Toews (#3 overall) and Kane (#1 overall)
Colorado - 4, Stastny, Galiardi, Stewart, Shattenkirk (Hensick, Stoa, and Cumisky are all in the AHL when not on a near-last place team)
Columbus - 8, Brule, McQuaid, Russell, Boll, Dorsett, Mason, Brassard, Voracek... three of those are top 7 picks.
Dallas - 4, Wandell, Benn, Neal, and Niskanen
Detroit - 4, Helm, Abdelkader, Kindl, Matthias
Edmonton - 4, Cogliano, Petry, Peckham, Gagner (#6 overall)
Florida - 2, Frolik and Ellerby... both #10 overalls.
LA - 6, Kopitar, Quick, Lewis, Bernier, Simmonds, and Martinez
Minny - 5 Pouliot, Sheppard (both top 10) Clutterbuck, Gillies, Falk
Montreal - 8, Price, Latendresse, D'Agostini, Sergei Kostitsyn, McDonagh, Pacioretty, Subban, Weber
Nashville - 5, Hornqvist, Franson, Santorelli, Blum, Spalling
NJ - 3, Bergfors, Fayne, Halischuk
NY Islanders - 2 Okposo (#7 overall) and MacDonald
NY Rangers - 5, Staal, Sauer, Pyatt, Anisimov, Hagelin
Ottawa - 5, Lee (#9 overall), Greening, Condra, Foligno, Daugavins
Philly - 4, Downie, Giroux, Nodl, Van Riemsdyk (#2 overall)
Phoenix - 4, Hanzal, Yandle, Mueller, Turris... 2 of them top 10
Pittsburgh - 4, Sid (#1), Letang, Vitale, Staal (#2)
SJ - 6, Setoguchi (#8), Vlasic, McGinn, Couture (#9), Bonino, and Braun
St. Louis - 6, Oshie, Reaves, Johnson (#1), Berglund, Eller, Perron
Tampa - 0. Zero. Dana Tyrell played a full season two years ago but was back in the minors. Blair Jones has never played more than 22 games in a single NHL season.
Toronto - 8 (shocking, I know) Rask, Stralman, Tlusty, Kulemin, Reimer, Stalber, Gunnarsson, and Frattin
Vancouver - 3, Grabner and Raymond. Nothing for '07 at all, not a single game played so far. HM to Luc Bourdon as a third.
Washington - 5, Alzner (#5), Backstrom (#4), Varlamov, Neuvirth, Perreault

Considering Buffalo had no top 10 picks and still produced 5 NHLers over that span is actually right in the middle of the curve. 18 other teams produced fewer in that span, particularly given how much of a dog the '07 draft is turning out to be. It's not glittering, but it doesn't suck on say a Tampa scale.
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Eh, if you start looking around at the '05-07 drafts, there is a lot of crap for a lot of teams in those three years. Regular NHLers as drafted by different teams in that span:

Anaheim - 3, of which one is #2 overall Bobby Ryan; Matt Beleskey and Brendan Mikkelson are the others.
Atlanta - 2 with Pavelec, Little
Boston - 4, Sobotka, Kessel, Lucic, Marchand
Calgary - 2, Backlund and Aulie
Carolina - 3, Jack Johnson (#3 overall), McBain, and Sutter (#11 overall)
Chicago - 4, Skille, Hjalmarsson, Toews (#3 overall) and Kane (#1 overall)
Colorado - 4, Stastny, Galiardi, Stewart, Shattenkirk (Hensick, Stoa, and Cumisky are all in the AHL when not on a near-last place team)
Columbus - 8, Brule, McQuaid, Russell, Boll, Dorsett, Mason, Brassard, Voracek... three of those are top 7 picks.
Dallas - 4, Wandell, Benn, Neal, and Niskanen
Detroit - 4, Helm, Abdelkader, Kindl, Matthias
Edmonton - 4, Cogliano, Petry, Peckham, Gagner (#6 overall)
Florida - 2, Frolik and Ellerby... both #10 overalls.
LA - 6, Kopitar, Quick, Lewis, Bernier, Simmonds, and Martinez
Minny - 5 Pouliot, Sheppard (both top 10) Clutterbuck, Gillies, Falk
Montreal - 8, Price, Latendresse, D'Agostini, Sergei Kostitsyn, McDonagh, Pacioretty, Subban, Weber
Nashville - 5, Hornqvist, Franson, Santorelli, Blum, Spalling
NJ - 3, Bergfors, Fayne, Halischuk
NY Islanders - 2 Okposo (#7 overall) and MacDonald
NY Rangers - 5, Staal, Sauer, Pyatt, Anisimov, Hagelin
Ottawa - 5, Lee (#9 overall), Greening, Condra, Foligno, Daugavins
Philly - 4, Downie, Giroux, Nodl, Van Riemsdyk (#2 overall)
Phoenix - 4, Hanzal, Yandle, Mueller, Turris... 2 of them top 10
Pittsburgh - 4, Sid (#1), Letang, Vitale, Staal (#2)
SJ - 6, Setoguchi (#8), Vlasic, McGinn, Couture (#9), Bonino, and Braun
St. Louis - 6, Oshie, Reaves, Johnson (#1), Berglund, Eller, Perron
Tampa - 0. Zero. Dana Tyrell played a full season two years ago but was back in the minors. Blair Jones has never played more than 22 games in a single NHL season.
Toronto - 8 (shocking, I know) Rask, Stralman, Tlusty, Kulemin, Reimer, Stalber, Gunnarsson, and Frattin
Vancouver - 3, Grabner and Raymond. Nothing for '07 at all, not a single game played so far. HM to Luc Bourdon as a third.
Washington - 5, Alzner (#5), Backstrom (#4), Varlamov, Neuvirth, Perreault

Considering Buffalo had no top 10 picks and still produced 5 NHLers over that span is actually right in the middle of the curve. 18 other teams produced fewer in that span, particularly given how much of a dog the '07 draft is turning out to be. It's not glittering, but it doesn't suck on say a Tampa scale.
A fair point, some contribution is better than none and comparatively they come out alright. It would have been nice to get something more out of the first two rounds during those years, though.

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A fair point, some contribution is better than none and comparatively they come out alright. It would have been nice to get something more out of the first two rounds during those years, though.
Hell yeah, if they didn't muff those, they probably aren't the same team today. Similarly, they got nothing out of Gogulla, not even a game in the NHL for a 2nd rounder. It's a weak area, and typically 3-5 years out from bad drafting, a team is feeling the effects on the ice. Look at Tampa, they literally have no one from those three drafts making a steady contribution in the NHL and it shows in their on-ice product.

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You can spin it that way, I suppose. But then when you compare it to the subsequent several years, for example, it looks like a steaming pile:

I'll just hit the most obvious highlights for each year:
2008: Myers, Ennis, Adam
2009: Kassian, McNabb, Foligno
2010: Pysyk, Gauthier-Leduc, Sundher
2011: Armia, Catenacci
2012: Grigorenko, Girgensons

Any one of those years is far superior to the entirety of 2005-07. AENIC.
2010-2012 could end up just as bad as any of 2005-2007, we don't know yet. Some of the picks in 2005-2007 looked to be pretty decent at the time.

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Thanks. If it's like the NFL, they'll scout in person, and then primarily use film to confirm what they think they saw. Though hockey's various feeder systems probably make the other way around viable as well. It's super easy to go see UNC play FSU and see 20 pro prospects on the wide-view tape. Not so much with hockey, I suspect.
No its the other way around. They use it to screen who they will send their scouts out to look at. Video scouting was a response to budget cuts in the scouting department and the personel losses in the department. It wasn't the cause of them. Regier and Devine have commented in interviews about how they are able to scout MORE players with the video scouting than they did previously.

Part of the problem is the midconception some have of how the Sabres use video scouting. It was never replacing on location scouting, it was augmenting and focusing it. Video allows them to process more players than they would have been able to by just sending scouts out. Not to mention by screening with video then following up with scouts, you have a more thorough process of evaluating potential draft picks.

My neighbor is good friends with one of their video scouts and thats how he described what they do. The basically get leads for the scouts to follow up on. Its used as much now as it ever was.


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Eh, if you start looking around at the '05-07 drafts, there is a lot of crap for a lot of teams in those three years.
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Considering Buffalo had no top 10 picks and still produced 5 NHLers over that span is actually right in the middle of the curve. 18 other teams produced fewer in that span, particularly given how much of a dog the '07 draft is turning out to be. It's not glittering, but it doesn't suck on say a Tampa scale.
That's an interesting way to look at it, and I see your point about some draft years being better than others. On the other hand, measuring success only by number of NHL players does not provide a complete picture. For example, the Bruins drafted fewer NHL players than we did (4) -- but those players were Sobotka, Kessel, Lucic and Marchand! And while Kessel was #5 overall, they still managed to find Lucic in the 2nd round, Marchand in the 3rd round, and Sobotka in the 4th round.

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