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07-18-2012, 10:26 PM
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Would anyone gain more from a lockout than the Leafs?

Just curious. Obviously I dont want to see another season locked out, but I dont think anyone in the NHL has as much to gain from it as the Leafs.

1) Highest amount of balls (3) in the draft (Nathan MacKinnon) lottery.

2) UFAs.

- Connolly
- Lupul
- Lombardi
- MacArthur
- Steckel
- Bozak
- Orr

We would go into 2013-2014 with tons of open roster space, players like Kadri, Gardiner and Frattin allowed another development season in the AHL, Rielly likely ready to compete, and a top - if not the top - prospect in an extremely talented draft.

Again, nobody wants to see a season off (I certainly don't), but can any other team make better lemonade if we're given lemons?


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We wouldn't have the most balls, we would have three balls, much like 4/5 other teams most likely. Our chances wouldn't be that great of drafting MacKinnon.

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If we head into the season with the current roster, we'll have a pretty good chance of getting in on the MacKinnon lottery anyway.

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We wouldn't have the most balls, we would have three balls, much like 4/5 other teams most likely. Our chances wouldn't be that great of drafting MacKinnon.
Maybe I misread it, but wouldn't we be the Pittsburgh of this lottery because we've had the least success the past three years without drafting 1st?

Edit: You're right, we would have 3 balls along with 3 other teams.

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Maybe I misread it, but wouldn't we be the Pittsburgh of this lottery because we've had the least success the past three years without drafting 1st?

Edit: You're right, we would have 3 balls along with 3 other teams.
Well not like that lottery mattered since hard to believe that the league didn't rig it to help save the Pens.

Still despite not being the only team with 3 balls, it's still fairly good odds.

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How pathetic would it be to hope for no hockey because of some bouncy balls.

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How pathetic would it be to hope for no hockey because of some bouncy balls.
I'm certainly not. Merely a different topic for the dog days of summer.

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Well not like that lottery mattered since hard to believe that the league didn't rig it to help save the Pens.

Still despite not being the only team with 3 balls, it's still fairly good odds.
They definitely did rig it, and would do so again, but never for the leafs.

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Team has a better shot at Mackinnon if the season is played based on recent history.

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If we head into the season with the current roster, we'll have a pretty good chance of getting in on the MacKinnon lottery anyway.
Finishing in the bottom 5 while playing the games gives a team greater odds of picking #1 overall than a lottery where all 30 teams all have a chance at #1 with a year long lockout.

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Even that description's a little misleading. You don't lose a ball "for every" playoff appearance or first overall. Essentially there's two criteria:

1) Missed the playoffs in each of the previous 3 seasons.
2) Didn't have the 1st overall selection over the last 4 drafts.

If you met both criteria, you got 3 balls.
If you made the playoffs only once OR had the 1st overall only once, you got 2 balls.
If you had two or more of any combination of those two (playoff appearances or 1st overalls), then you only got 1 ball.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26401
From searching, i found the rules. just thought I'd re post them... . Sure we have three balls with 3 other teams, but if 6 teams also have 2 balls and 20 with 1 ball, we would only have a ~6% chance of picking first overall. Those aren't good odds.

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How pathetic would it be to hope for no hockey because of some bouncy balls.
Um....wow....we agree. Thats a first.

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Idk. Tough to really say.

The last lockout came at the worst time.

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This the 4th time we talked about this?

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What the leafs need from these negotiations is not a lockout. What we need is a bigger gap between the cap ceiling and cap floor.

Especially if we're going to keep our idiot GM who can't capitalize on an up to $20 million ****ing advantage over a god damn substantial amount of the compe-****ing-tition every ****ing year.

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It will never happen. The season won't be lost, so forget the dream of the bouncy balls. Even if by some magnificently stupid occurance, the NHL lost the season, they would not necessarily do it the same way. That's the luck of the leafs it seems.

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Lockout would mean

1) We get 1st overall and draft MacKinnion

2) We sign Getzlaf and Perry in free agency

3) Im only kidding

But a line of either

Kessel-Getzlaf-Perry
JVR-Getzlaf-Perry
MacKinnion-Getzlaf-Perry

Would be unreal lol

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What the leafs need from these negotiations is not a lockout. What we need is a bigger gap between the cap ceiling and cap floor.

Especially if we're going to keep our idiot GM who can't capitalize on an up to $20 million ****ing advantage over a god damn substantial amount of the compe-****ing-tition every ****ing year.
....um...You sound a tad angry. Beers on me....

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Even if by some magnificently stupid occurance, the NHL lost the season, they would not necessarily do it the same way. That's the luck of the leafs it seems.
Let's that does happen again what other formart could the NHL use to determine the 2013 Draft order? The 2005 Draft Lottery is the only thing anyone can go by as a reference.

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Well not like that lottery mattered since hard to believe that the league didn't rig it to help save the Pens.

Still despite not being the only team with 3 balls, it's still fairly good odds.
3 out of 48?

6.25%?

Better odds to play the 2012-2013 season...

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Even if they were gauranteed the 1st overall, I wouldn't want a lockout.

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There's the 80 million in operating profit that the suits might miss a bit lol.. no one loses more in that sense.

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If there is a lockout, does it count as a season played? Would those contracts even come off the books or just roll over to the next year?

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If there is a lockout, does it count as a season played? Would those contracts even come off the books or just roll over to the next year?
That would be settled as terms of the new CBA, it was an issue in the last round too. In that one they ultimately counted it as a season off the contracts. Likely to be the same but no guarantee.

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