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07-16-2012, 09:36 PM
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andi is a real account, never heard he deal with rumours though

don't see much sense in bernier unless the price is low

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Andy P thinks she's an insider now? almost as bad as Henny

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Burke said during an interview about 2 weeks ago that he didn't have any interest in "an unproven goalie"
Which means this deal is probably close to being done.

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Bernier is worth far more then that.

2nd + Scrivens is a start... Then you're looking at at least one roster player and a 2nd tier prospect
I highly doubt it. Bishop went for a 2nd, Lindback two 2nds and a 3rd. I think the value lays somewhere in the middle and certainly on the low end if Scrivens rights get included.

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That's an overpayment IMO, and I'm sure is Burke's opinion also. This is why I would doubt he offers any more than this. Why would he overpay for another young goalie with little experience?
Bernier's ceiling is far higher than any of our current goaltenders.

I should probably clarify... Scrivens + a 2nd is probably what he's worth, but not what he'll fetch.

You're paying for potential on this one. Its definitely a gamble, but one that could pay off in spades.

If you move say MacArthur + 2nd + Scrivens I'd probably do that. MacArthur is a replaceable forward from within, Bernier is a large upgrade on Scrivens and you lose a 2nd rounder which isn't groundbreaking.

Reimer and Bernier is a large upgrade over Reimer and Scrivens, its like having 2 potential #1's over a 1 and a possible 2.

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or its Reimer + 2nd for Bernier.

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I highly doubt it. Bishop went for a 2nd, Lindback two 2nds and a 3rd. I think the value lays somewhere in the middle and certainly on the low end if Scrivens rights get included.
Main difference is Bishop was 2 years older, a 3rd round pick and a pending UFA, with roughly 30 less games played than Bernier is.

Lindback is a 7th round pick who played in maybe the best defensive system in the NHL.

Bernier's an 11th overall pick with 2 full NHL seasons under his belt (as a backup), with massive Jr and AHL pedigree.

Again, there is a difference between what he's worth and what his market value is.

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Bernier is worth far more then that.

2nd + Scrivens is a start... Then you're looking at at least one roster player and a 2nd tier prospect
Why?????

WTH has Bernier done as an NHL'er to command that type of package. That's as ludicrous as me saying we could trade Reimer for that type of package.

So much blind Leaf hate on this forum. We have to overpay for everyone else's scraps and all our players are worthless.

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Bernier's ceiling is far higher than any of our current goaltenders.

I should probably clarify... Scrivens + a 2nd is probably what he's worth, but not what he'll fetch.

You're paying for potential on this one. Its definitely a gamble, but one that could pay off in spades.

If you move say MacArthur + 2nd + Scrivens I'd probably do that. MacArthur is a replaceable forward from within, Bernier is a large upgrade on Scrivens and you lose a 2nd rounder which isn't groundbreaking.

Reimer and Bernier is a large upgrade over Reimer and Scrivens, its like having 2 potential #1's over a 1 and a possible 2.
Way too much IMO.

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I guess time will tell if there is any truth to this.....it would be an up grade of our current goalies.....but maybe it is an ploy in the Loungo trade......

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Why?????

WTH has Bernier done as an NHL'er to command that type of package. That's as ludicrous as me saying we could trade Reimer for that type of package.

So much blind Leaf hate on this forum. We have to overpay for everyone else's scraps and all our players are worthless.
Read my posts above to see why his market value would be that high.

I don't know where or why you think its blind leaf hate, again, its not what he's done as an NHLer, you're paying for potential. He's won QMJHL goalie of the year, AHL goalie of the year, and was an 11th overall pick.

Thats a bigger resume then Reimer or Scrivens had at 23. Its just facts. There are plenty of teams who could easily match a 2nd round pick plus a 25 year old undrafted AHL goalie with less than 10 nhl games on his resume.

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Bernier's ceiling is far higher than any of our current goaltenders.

I should probably clarify... Scrivens + a 2nd is probably what he's worth, but not what he'll fetch.

You're paying for potential on this one. Its definitely a gamble, but one that could pay off in spades.

If you move say MacArthur + 2nd + Scrivens I'd probably do that. MacArthur is a replaceable forward from within, Bernier is a large upgrade on Scrivens and you lose a 2nd rounder which isn't groundbreaking.

Reimer and Bernier is a large upgrade over Reimer and Scrivens, its like having 2 potential #1's over a 1 and a possible 2.
That's a bit too much, me thinks.

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I would perfer to move Reimer and keep Scrivens.

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Bernier would be worth looking into if the price was relatively cheap.

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I would trade our 2nd + Mac for Bernier. I don't see La trading him that easily.

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Is Clarke MacArthur not worth Jonathan Bernier?

A legit 20-25 goal man, who can put up 50 points, is defensively reponsible, and is fairly gritty. For a backup goalie.

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People keep mentioning what Burke said a few weeks ago, but the context was missing out on a Lindback. Burke was almost defending why they weren't signing a unproven goalie, Bernier wasn't even really an understood option. This kid may be unproven, but he was an elite goalie in the draft, he looked great in the AHL, he is playing behind Quick not Gus, he has a pedigree with still lots of upside. Not surprised in the least Leafs might be kicking tires. As well, said from the start, Burke can use Bernier to perhaps make Vancouver move as well. Maybe interest is a ruse?

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I wouldn't mind if we went after Bernier. The more options we have in net the better. Just not sure how much we'd be in it since Bernier hasn't proven much (though stuck behind Quick just about nobody would).

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LA has very few holes in their lineup, thus, they're likely looking for either A) a top prospect or B) first round pick for Bernier.

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Is Clarke MacArthur not worth Jonathan Bernier?

A legit 20-25 goal man, who can put up 50 points, is defensively reponsible, and is fairly gritty. For a backup goalie.


MacA is too streaky to have a ton of value, he goes through dry spells and floats a lot.

I like the guy, but he's a replaceable component and teams know this. Probably would have to add sweetener to get Bernier.

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Reimer has proven more than bernier so far. Reimer put up similar if not better numbers while playing on a much worse defensive team.
He is a high draft pick and excellent goalie. If we don't overpay its a great move.

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He is a high draft pick and excellent goalie. If we don't overpay its a great move.
At what point where a player was picked in the draft becomes irrelevant?

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Percy + 2nd is what I could see.

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At what point where a player was picked in the draft becomes irrelevant?
When he's had a fair shake at the NHL level.

Bernier has been a good NHL goaltender thus far but hasn't ever had the chance to take the reins.

Do you try to get him while his value is lower and give him the shot or let somebody else?

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