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07-16-2012, 11:12 PM
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When he's had a fair shake at the NHL level.

Bernier has been a good NHL goaltender thus far but hasn't ever had the chance to take the reins.

Do you try to get him while his value is lower and give him the shot or let somebody else?
People act like he is playing behind Raycroft and not the Conn Smythe winner.

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07-16-2012, 11:14 PM
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Toskala played on a good team behind a pretty good goalie too.

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07-16-2012, 11:15 PM
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I think Burke and Gillis are using the media to communicate their actions each other. This weekend there was a leak by Vancouver management that they (allegedly) rejected the Hawks offer of Bolland for Luongo. This was a message for the leafs and Panthers to up their offer.

And Burke's response is to leak that the leafs (allegedly) placed an offer (low ball one I trust) on Bernier.

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07-16-2012, 11:17 PM
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Toskala played on a good team behind a pretty good goalie too.
Toskala was 30 years old when the leafs traded for him.

Bernier is 24.

Toskala was a 4th round pick.

Bernier was an 11th overall pick.

We (over)paid for Toskala by giving up a 1st and 2 seconds.

Bernier will cost 1/3 of that.


You'll have to make a more logical and compelling argument.

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People keep mentioning what Burke said a few weeks ago, but the context was missing out on a Lindback. Burke was almost defending why they weren't signing a unproven goalie, Bernier wasn't even really an understood option. This kid may be unproven, but he was an elite goalie in the draft, he looked great in the AHL, he is playing behind Quick not Gus, he has a pedigree with still lots of upside. Not surprised in the least Leafs might be kicking tires. As well, said from the start, Burke can use Bernier to perhaps make Vancouver move as well. Maybe interest is a ruse?
Bernier actually fits with the pattern of Burke's cornerstone acquisitions: He goes after guys with high pedigree who somehow become available for one reason or another. Kessel, Phaneuf, JVR, even the drafting of Rielly who could have gone higher had he not been injured.

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I think Burke and Gillis are using the media to communicate their actions each other. This weekend there was a leak by Vancouver management that they (allegedly) rejected the Hawks offer of Bolland for Luongo. This was a message for the leafs and Panthers to up their offer.

And Burke's response is to leak that the leafs (allegedly) placed an offer (low ball one I trust) on Bernier.
If Burke is trying to leak something (which is probably nonsense anyways) he sure as hell isn't doing it through a female CBC employee who has never broken a trade before.

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07-16-2012, 11:20 PM
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People act like he is playing behind Raycroft and not the Conn Smythe winner.
I am not commenting on Bernier's abilities, but I just don't see why teams should pay a high price to get him. I just don't. Teams know that LA has to move him. There is only one net, and Quick is their guy for the next decade+ If LA wants a high price, then they can keep him and will have to move him eventually for a fairly low price anyway.

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07-16-2012, 11:21 PM
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To be fair to Paul Hendrick, he was absolutely correct in saying another deal was happening. Its just to bad it fell through and ruined his credibility for some people.

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Percy + 2nd is what I could see.
Burke would never do this. He's extremely high on Percy- as am I.

I don't think Burke would trade Scrivens either, actually. If he's looking to trade Connolly or Komisarek, it may look bad on him trading Scrivens as well. Too many sign-and-trade UFAs, albeit the trades have been way after signing them. I could be wrong about this, but it's just a thought.

I'd trade Mac + Scrivens + 2nd for Bernier, personally.

Look at his game log for this past season. Without the one game in Detroit his stats would have been MUCH better but since he plays so little, one bad game can throw off his stats like crazy.

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07-16-2012, 11:24 PM
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If Burke is trying to leak something (which is probably nonsense anyways) he sure as hell isn't doing it through a female CBC employee who has never broken a trade before.
For example the Phaneuf trade wasn't leaked.
When leaks occur they are often done intentionally and for a purpose.

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I am not commenting on Bernier's abilities, but I just don't see why teams should pay a high price to get him. I just don't. Teams know that LA has to move him. There is only one net, and Quick is their guy for the next decade+ If LA wants a high price, then they can keep him and will have to move him eventually for a fairly low price anyway.
A wouldn't pay a super high price either.

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LA isn't going to get much for Bernier. They'll get quite a bit considering he wants out, and that they have a starter in their net for the next decade or so.. I could see them taking a few projects and a few picks.

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For example the Phaneuf trade wasn't leaked.
When leaks occur they are often done intentionally and for a purpose.
I just think it could be complete BS, I'm not saying Burke leaked it or didn't leak it on purpose.

Who knows where Andi gets her source or sources on this one. It could be fabricated completely or mindless speculation that she's spun into a rumour.

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I would be OK with CMac+2nd+Scrivens for Bernier.

But thats only because we have a ton of LW depth.

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He's not an upgrade over Reimer at this point but sky's the limit with Bernier.

It'd be cool to let him and Reimer duke it out this year, all at a reasonable price, of course.

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07-16-2012, 11:31 PM
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I just think it could be complete BS, I'm not saying Burke leaked it or didn't leak it on purpose.

Who knows where Andi gets her source or sources on this one. It could be fabricated completely or mindless speculation that she's spun into a rumour.
The fact is this is a rumour because there is no mention of which leaf executive said so or a press release and so we should all look at it from that perspective.

That said, Andi is somewhat credible and works for the CBC, so I would err on the side that she isn't starting a baseless trade frenzy story. She hasn't done this in the past, it could put her job potentially in jeopardy especially if she damages the CBC reputation and it would damage her credibility.

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"Samuel Johnson ‏@NHLInsiderSam
Source: #Leafs are closing in on a deal for G Jonathan Bernier. F Matt Frattin and a 2014 3rd round pick. There is your trade Leafs fans..."

I don't know how I feel about this type of return. Bernier is rather redundant for us at this point.

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07-16-2012, 11:35 PM
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MacA and a 2nd is enough. LA can flip MacA if they wish, for another 2nd and the Bobrovski and Lindback deals are close. I wonder if the goal is to let 3 guys fight it out for the net or if one of Reimer or Scrivens is in another deal for a center.

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Source: #Leafs are closing in on a deal for G Jonathan Bernier. F Matt Frattin and a 2014 3rd round pick. There is your trade Leafs fans..."

I don't know how I feel about this type of return. Bernier is rather redundant for us at this point.
Would Ashton be a more preferable piece to move?

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Percy + 2nd is what I could see.
I hope not.

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Would Ashton be a more preferable piece to move?
Absolutely. Frattin is a stud. Ashton IMO doesn't have nearly as much upside.

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Source: #Leafs are closing in on a deal for G Jonathan Bernier. F Matt Frattin and a 2014 3rd round pick. There is your trade Leafs fans..."

I don't know how I feel about this type of return. Bernier is rather redundant for us at this point.
First of all, is this guy credible? And if he is than i also dont know to react. I really like matt frattin as a player and i think he can be the next Dustin brown. Plays similar styles. But on the other hand, Bernier could turn out to be a heck of a goalie. He talks like he can be that #1 goalie.

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Would Ashton be a more preferable piece to move?
Personally I would rather move Ashton than Frattin, but both are the types of players we so desperately need on the team, trading them away for something similar to what we already have (Reimer+Scrivens) makes little sense to me. If he was more established obviously it would make sense, but right now its too big a risk considering our history with goalies.

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Would Ashton be a more preferable piece to move?
For me it would.

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Absolutely. Frattin is a stud. Ashton IMO doesn't have nearly as much upside.
Agreed.

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