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07-18-2012, 07:18 AM
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2012 Top 20

1. Bartschi
2. Brodie
3. Irving +1
4. Gaudreau +13
5. Reinhart +1
6. Jankowski New
7. Horak +4
8. Nemisz -5
9. Granlund +3
10. Brossoit New
11. Ferland +9
12. Sieloff New
13. Arnold New
14. Ramage
15. Byron -8
16. Aliu New
17. Wotherspoon +1
18. Bouma -2
19. Howse -14
20. Ortio -11

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07-18-2012, 09:35 AM
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i agree with a lot of it, but wouldnt include byron, ortio, or howse and would add kulak, culkin and gillies.

plus id have jankowski top 5, at least ahead of reinhart.

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07-18-2012, 09:59 AM
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So we took:

Wahl, Nemisz, Bouma over Hamonic, Ennis, Henrique

ugh.
You never know what you're getting. Drafting is a difficult game, if you look down every draft, there are players literally every team passes on that end up major NHL players.

It's why I absolutely hate when kids get drafted and within a couple months they're being slotted or being dissected in their current role. Everyone outside of those major skilled guys need a few years to develop properly, of course you want the guy who'll be best player and able to step in on shorter notice.

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So we took:

Wahl, Nemisz, Bouma over Hamonic, Ennis, Henrique

ugh.
not to mention we took trevor kidd over martin brodeur in 1990....

so much risk in any draft pick really.

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07-18-2012, 10:34 AM
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not to mention we took trevor kidd over martin brodeur in 1990....

so much risk in any draft pick really.
I know but that draft is worse than most.

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07-18-2012, 11:01 AM
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not to mention we took trevor kidd over martin brodeur in 1990....

so much risk in any draft pick really.
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I know but that draft is worse than most.
Worst thing is... we traded UP to get Kidd...



Granted, he was pretty highly touted at the time. I blame Page for ruining Kidd's confidence.

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07-18-2012, 12:26 PM
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Wahl is done with this organization. He wasn't invited to devlopment camp and Feaster has implied that Wahl had a poor attitude.

He was the 'sexy pick' at the time (in terms of being sliding late first round talent), but it's a shame because Derek Stepan and Travis Hamonic were drafted just three and five picks after this guy. Also a shame from that draft, the two picks following Greg Nemiz were Tyler Ennis and John Carlson. Even more disappointing is picking Lance Bouma only to have Adam Henrique go four picks later (and they should have seen a ton of Henrique from watching Nemisz).

I know, I know, hindsight is 20/20, but T.J. Brodie is the only redeeming point of that draft.

Imagine a top-9:

Tanguay - Henrique - Iginla
Cammalleri - Stepan - Glencross
Bartschi - Cervenka - Hudler

or a defense of:

Bouwmeester - Carlson
Giordano - Wideman
Brodie - Sarich

What a difference.
Oh man, that would be a sick lineup! I am mad we didn't grab Stepan, he was touted as a good player at the time he was drafted.

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07-18-2012, 12:29 PM
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I'm really excited about the way the Flames are drafting. We have a few "gems" in our pool now....

(Baertschi, Janko, Gaudreau, Seiloff, etc.)

Can't wait for the 2013 Draft... Looks like a great one.

Question: If there was a lock-out this year, how does the NHL determine who selects where? Does last seasons standings come into play? example: Edmonton finished 30th, so they get 30ballots?

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07-18-2012, 12:42 PM
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I'm really excited about the way the Flames are drafting. We have a few "gems" in our pool now....

(Baertschi, Janko, Gaudreau, Seiloff, etc.)

Can't wait for the 2013 Draft... Looks like a great one.

Question: If there was a lock-out this year, how does the NHL determine who selects where? Does last seasons standings come into play? example: Edmonton finished 30th, so they get 30ballots?
I'm sure they'd do a weighted lottery system like they did the last time a season was lost (2005 draft).

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Teams were assigned 1 to 3 balls based on their playoff appearances and first overall draft picks from the past three years. According to the draft order, the selection worked its way up to 30 as usual; then instead of repeating the order as in past years, the draft "snaked" back down to the team with the first pick. Therefore the team with the first pick overall would not pick again until the 60th pick. The team with the 30th pick would also get the 31st pick. The new CBA reduced the draft to seven rounds in length, compared to nine rounds in years past.



Which would mean that the franchise in the worst financial position (Phoenix?) would wind up with the first overall pick... /tinfoilhat

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So we took:

Wahl, Nemisz, Bouma over Hamonic, Ennis, Henrique

ugh.


I need a hard drink, after reading that.

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So we took:

Wahl, Nemisz, Bouma over Hamonic, Ennis, Henrique

ugh.
Meh, that happens every draft. And those 3 players were taken by 3 different teams, so most teams could say the same thing.

Having said that, I never expected much from Wahl and thought he was too much of a tweener to make it to the NHL. Turns out he was too much of a tweener to make it to the AHL.

I figured he would turn in to an AHL scorer, which he still can if he doesn't jet off to Europe, but I wouldn't expect him to be up in the NHL ever for more than a cup of coffee.

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Having said that, I never expected much from Wahl and thought he was too much of a tweener to make it to the NHL. Turns out he was too much of a tweener to make it to the AHL.
Remember his first little taste of Abby? People were actually thinking this kid might be something pretty good.

Never panned put, the story of thousands of kids trying to get into the show. He is still only his his early 20s... So still not 100% bust. But on life support here.

Seems to be, that all the kids drafted '10 forward are becoming better than anything we drafted in the past decade... Pretty sad.

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07-27-2012, 05:24 AM
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That's not to say he could work his way back into the fold. Could play in the ECHL and work his way back up if he plays good,
worked for Leland

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2012 Top 20

1. Bartschi
2. Brodie
3. Irving
4. Gaudreau
5. Reinhart
6. Jankowski
7. Horak
8. Nemisz
9. Granlund
10. Brossoit
11. Ferland
12. Sieloff
13. Arnold
14. Ramage
15. Byron
16. Aliu
17. Wotherspoon
18. Bouma
19. Howse
20. Ortio
I dug up this old thread because I recently read this Flames.com article:

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=640009

It appears that certain prospects have a legit shot at making the Flames next year

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08-27-2012, 01:40 AM
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Thought I'd give HF grades to our prospects, as I expect HF to post their own article in the next few weeks. Doesn't really matter, but they are fun to do.

1. Bartschi - 8.5C
2. Brodie - 7.0B
3. Irving - 7.0B
4. Gaudreau - 8.0D
5. Reinhart - 7.5C
6. Jankowski - 8.0D
7. Horak - 6.5C
8. Nemisz - 6.5B
9. Granlund - 7.0D
10. Brossoit - 7.0D
11. Ferland - 7.0C
12. Sieloff - 7.0B
13. Arnold - 6.5C
14. Ramage - 6.5C
15. Byron - 6.5B
16. Aliu - 6.0C
17. Wotherspoon - 6.5C
18. Bouma 6.0B
19. Howse 6.0C
20. Ortio 6.0D


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08-27-2012, 03:04 AM
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Wahl and Howse really fell off the map!
howse did really good near the end of the season so im expect him to be alot better nect year in the A
... IMO the top 20 would be like this:

1. Bartschi (8.0B)
2. Jankowski (8.0D)
3. Gaudreau (8.0F)
4. Irving (7.0B)
5. Brodie (7.0B)
6. Reinhart (7.0C)
7. Granlund (7.5D)
8. Horak (6.5B)
9. Ferland (6.5B)
10. Brossoit (7.0D)
11. Sieloff (7.0D)
12. Ramage (7.0D)
13. Nemisz (6.5C)
14. Arnold (6.5c)
15. Howse (7.0F)
16. Wotherspoon (6.0A)
17. Aliu (6.0B)
18. Bouma (6.0B)
19. Byron (6.0C)
20. Ortio (6.5F)


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08-27-2012, 03:19 AM
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I need a hard drink, after reading that.
in wahls defense he looked great up until his injuries

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08-27-2012, 10:39 AM
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Pretty sure F means the prospects have failed and won't be NHLers.

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08-27-2012, 11:00 AM
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Pretty sure F means the prospects have failed and won't be NHLers.
Not exactly, but close enough.

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F – A player possessing little potential who has a mountain to climb just to reach the outermost boundary of that potential. The potential rating is multiplied by 50 percent depth chart purposes.

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I wouldn't use that to describe Gaudreau.

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08-27-2012, 10:58 PM
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I wouldn't use that to describe Gaudreau.
no an F doesnt mean that he will not make the NHL, it means he could (likely will) drop 4 ratings and be a 4.0A which equals a top AHLer which i think is realistic.

I really do wnat him to be a stud but im not gonna put the future of the flames on him

hes the definition of BOOM/BUST prospect

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no an F doesnt mean that he will not make the NHL, it means he could (likely will) drop 4 ratings and be a 4.0A which equals a top AHLer which i think is realistic.

I really do wnat him to be a stud but im not gonna put the future of the flames on him

hes the definition of BOOM/BUST prospect
I could see him being a skilled small forward, an NHL player, something like Gerbe in buffalo. He could even be more than that, or he could bust completely.

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"A player possessing little potential"

Again, I don't think that defines Gaudreau. D is the correct rating. If he was a 7.5D last year, he shouldn't be an F this year, after the season he had.

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"A player possessing little potential"

Again, I don't think that defines Gaudreau. D is the correct rating. If he was a 7.5D last year, he shouldn't be an F this year, after the season he had.
i said IMO so it may not apply to you but thats exactly what he is

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"A player possessing little potential"

Again, I don't think that defines Gaudreau. D is the correct rating. If he was a 7.5D last year, he shouldn't be an F this year, after the season he had.
You'd think ripping higher competition the same as you ripped the lower competition you did before surely wouldn't lower your value. Apparently, it does.

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