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The problem with some of the people coming in here and saying Landeskog is being over valued, is those people are judging Landeskog's trade value only by what they think his on-ice hockey value is.
But I am pretty confident Greg Sherman and the Avalanche office drafted Landeskog and value Landeskog for far more than just his on-ice hockey value, and as such, I think it would require far more in return than just Gabe's on-ice hockey value to get them to even consider trading him.
Landeskog was drafted not only for his hockey ability, which is still pretty open-ended, but for being a golden-boy, likely-captain, spokesperson-type, potential franchise star who, perhaps for a couple decades, may be the media poster boy of a once-dynasty team that needs to recapture the city's attention beyond just the hardcore fans and get the casual fans back to a stadium that for most games is no longer even close to full.
After his surprise rookie breakout, they HOPED Stastny might become the new face of the team, but they quickly learned Stastny is more the quiet type, both on the ice and off it, and he doesn't really make a good face of the franchise that'll sell tickets. They THOUGHT Duchene was gonna become the new face, but have seen, so far, Duchene's still the young flashy kid who hasn't quite grown all the way up yet, and doesn't generate the same type of respect. I think in Landeskog, they pretty much KNEW what they were getting. A very likely decade+ captain, leader, spokesperson, star. So far, I don't think they've been the least bit disappointed.
I suspect they view Landeskog as just about as close to "not available" as there is, except maybe for other players also viewed as not tradeable.
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Shea Weber is an awesome defenseman arguably the best today but I wouldn't trade Landeskog for him, ever. He's gonna be here for a long time.
I also just don't see Shea Weber being interested in signing with Colorado, though it would be a dream come true.
Look, he's a great young player without a doubt but it's not like he blew the doors off the league. I think that he will wind up being a 70-75 pt Selke type player consistently in his prime (a rich mans' Brendan Morrow) but i'm seeing everything from Forsberg comparisons to Iginla comparisons being thrown around. I don't see the HUGE upside in Landeskog, i don't think that he has the skillset to be among the elite in the league.
He is exactly the type of guy that you need to win cups, he exudes leadership abilities and is a jack of all trades but i just don't see elite in him.
These posts are ridiculous. A poster for a rival team who probably saw Colorado play 6 times this year "just doesn't see it". The second half of that old adage is "...master of none", and anyone who watched Landeskog play for any significant amount of games can see that he absolutely has elite potential.
These posts are ridiculous. A poster for a rival team who probably saw Colorado play 6 times this year "just doesn't see it". The second half of that old adage is "...master of none", and anyone who watched Landeskog play for any significant amount of games can see that he absolutely has elite potential.
Since a rival poster has the ability to hold a bias, doesn't a poster who is a fan of the team for which the player currently plays also have that ability? Maybe the kid has what it takes to be elite, and maybe he doesn't. The fact remains he has played one NHL season (a very good season). It's a bit early to say one way or the other IMO.
If Colorado values the kid too much to trade him for anyone that's fine. There's no sense in trying to convince Avs fans of anything differently.
I'd love to have Gabriel Landeskog here and obviously Shea Weber would have to be a part of it. What would be needed to make it happen, and would it even be able to happen?
I think for weber you would have to package him with someone that is elite but has one year left but of course the other team would have to add prospects and 1st rounders to get it done
I think for weber you would have to package him with someone that is elite but has one year left but of course the other team would have to add prospects and 1st rounders to get it done
Are you saying that Nashville would have to package Weber with someone elite?
If so, Poile should not package anyone with Weber at all, especially not someone elite (the only other "elite" player Nashville has is Rinne, and Weber + Rinne gets more than any team can afford). If another team is wanting Poile to add they had either be prepared to be sending a HUGE package of players back, or be prepared to hear Poile's phone hang up.
Now, if you mean Colorado would have to package someone elite I still disagree.
Since a rival poster has the ability to hold a bias, doesn't a poster who is a fan of the team for which the player currently plays also have that ability? Maybe the kid has what it takes to be elite, and maybe he doesn't. The fact remains he has played one NHL season (a very good season). It's a bit early to say one way or the other IMO.
If Colorado values the kid too much to trade him for anyone that's fine. There's no sense in trying to convince Avs fans of anything differently.
Well, I suppose I sort of backed myself into a corner when I referred to him as a rival fan, but I didn't really mean that he had a bias so much as he simply hasn't seen a very large sample of the kid's play, which is necessary to appreciate the game that Landeskog plays.
I honestly don't think Landeskog will ever be that much better than he is today, tbh. He's a great player, but he just seems like the kind of hard-working player that bloomed earlier, but isn't necessarily that talented. Good play at 18 does not mean they will consistently get better every season, just saying.
Thanks for your fantastic appraisal. Now do me one favor:
- Look up the number of players who have put up 50+ points in the NHL in their first season as 18 year olds and see how those players have developed. Then, come back here and post the list of those players who basically, just either remained the same or became WORST as their careers went along.
(that's going to be a VERY short list, one that would include Alex Daigle and that's about it)
So if you really believe that Lando is the next coming of Daigle and all that, that implies (attitude and work ethic wise) your analysis is flawed and weak.
Could it happen? Sure, ANYTHING is possible. Is it likely to happen? Nope, not even close.
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Originally Posted by TheyAreGoodScaryGood
I also expect landeskog to improve but I definately do not see him as a 50 goal scorer as avs fans do. I see him as a 70-80 point power forward. Was just using myers as an example for how untouable we thought he was at the time (not that he still isnt) not to mention myers had just 4 less point then landeskog in his rookie season as a defenseman
Just for fun, check out how many of those players there are in the league.
AND THEN, check out how long it took them to do what Lando just did as an 18 year old in his first season. That doesn't mean he becomes a 100 point player but power forwards at that age, who play that kind of game are basically like unicorns...they don't exist.
Thanks for your fantastic appraisal. Now do me one favor:
- Look up the number of players who have put up 50+ points in the NHL in their first season as 18 year olds and see how those players have developed. Then, come back here and post the list of those players who basically, just either remained the same or became WORST as their careers went along.
(that's going to be a VERY short list, one that would include Alex Daigle and that's about it)
So if you really believe that Lando is the next coming of Daigle and all that, that implies (attitude and work ethic wise) your analysis is flawed and weak.
Could it happen? Sure, ANYTHING is possible. Is it likely to happen? Nope, not even close.
Just for fun, check out how many of those players there are in the league.
AND THEN, check out how long it took them to do what Lando just did as an 18 year old in his first season. That doesn't mean he becomes a 100 point player but power forwards at that age, who play that kind of game are basically like unicorns...they don't exist.
Sergei samsonov and Jason arnott come to mind as guys who made the NHL right after being drafted and struggled to maintain the growth after that first season. Arnott would be more comparable being the bigger physical guy. It does happen, not everyone keeps going upward. Both those guys obviously kicked or still kick around but neither reached the heights expected of them after their first year. Sergei got the pts for a couple, but they expected the moon after his rookie year and thought he was better than thornton.
Way too early but skinner didn't move forward this year.
Anyway your analysis is weak and flawed. Not everyone grows the same way.
Last edited by bleedgreen: 07-19-2012 at 01:25 PM.
Are you saying that Nashville would have to package Weber with someone elite?
If so, Poile should not package anyone with Weber at all, especially not someone elite (the only other "elite" player Nashville has is Rinne, and Weber + Rinne gets more than any team can afford). If another team is wanting Poile to add they had either be prepared to be sending a HUGE package of players back, or be prepared to hear Poile's phone hang up.
Now, if you mean Colorado would have to package someone elite I still disagree.
Weber is either going to Philly or Nashville for life. There is no logical reason Nashville would decide to match the offer and than trade him that would be ludicrous.
On the upside it would make no sense for Weber to sign this if he wasn't perfectly fine being in Nashville forever. This was about money and CBA insurance
