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07-18-2012, 01:15 PM
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not special enough to get 50.

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07-18-2012, 01:19 PM
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Kessel has the ability to get 100 points, not just 50 goals. This little snippet of information will probably make some fans sad however.
I don't see it. I imagine he is more likely to get 50 goals then get even 90 points in the next couple of years. Many players have the potential but its only the Malkins,Ovi, Stamkos's of the world that actually have the ability to become a consistent 50 goal threat.

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07-18-2012, 01:24 PM
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This type of excuse just proves how poor the timing of the 'trade' was. The leafs were not in a spot to best leverage his elite skills. And for that matter they are still not - given the team is still a bubble team.

I see two possibilities here if we clear away the excuses
1. Kessel is not gifted enough to be a 50 goal scorer
2. Burke to date has set up Kessel to fail to achieve his full potential on the leafs.
So an 80+ point season was setting up Kessel to fail?

My god guys give this a rest will you. Kessel is one of the best young players in the game and one of the few players other teams have to prepare a game plan before playing him to shut him down, you just can't lose sight of this player he'll burn you more times than not .

Heaven sake never has there ever been a player so undervalued in Leaf Land then Phill Kessel with this constant b!tching about the trade that brought him here. He was the best player in the trade the day it happen and 3 years later still is the best player and the b!tching continues as if the Leafs came out of it with nothing.

Anyway I know people are still with the opinion that Kessel needs a star playmaking center to get better I'm not so sure that he requires that. What makes him so dangerous is that he's not a goal scorer who relies on a 1 timer to score, he has the rare ability to create his in own goal scoring opportunities and is most dangerous when he has the puck on his stick creating plays for himself and for teammates rather than waiting for a pass.

NET PRESENCE. Get Kessel a line mate who will be a net presence cause screens in front of the net win battles on the wall, strong on the cycle with a scoring touch along with Lupul not only will Kessel score more but his assists will climb as well. Too many times he lets shots off and theres nobody there to tap the rebound in + a player like this will open space for him to be both a playmaking goal scoring winger. The perfect center for Kessel IMO is Backes or J. Staal

Not only that form a legitimate 2nd scoring line that would cause match up issues for the opposition. Do this and the Boston's of the world wont be able to send big bad Chara and there shut down line on him shift for shift.

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07-18-2012, 01:30 PM
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not special enough to get 50.
Whether you like Kessel or not, he's got an Elite shot and explosive speed some even say among the best in the entire league. There are very few players who have Kessel's skill level, and players with less talent have potted 50 before him.

He is absolutely special enough. Not sure how you can say that.

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07-18-2012, 01:35 PM
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not special enough to get 50.
Yeah he's no Jonathan Cheechoo or Milan Hejduk.

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07-18-2012, 01:40 PM
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If you had taken the time to read or analyze the situation the numbers show dramatic decline as the season progressed, particularly under the new coach.

Under Carlyle, Kessel scored 5 goals 5 assists in 15 games in March, and was 0-3-3 points in 3 games in April..

18 games total with 5 goals 8 assists 13 points. [= 23 goal & 59 point pace over 82 games].

A 23 goal pace (under Carlyle) is < 1/2 of the potential 50 goal season question posed here.
When did Lupul get hurt again?

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07-18-2012, 01:44 PM
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When did Lupul get hurt again?
Carlyle had one and a half games with Lupul in the lineup.

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When did Lupul get hurt again?
Mess omitting critical details to support his argument? NO WAY!

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Carlyle had one and a half games with Lupul in the lineup.
Here comes the "Kessel needs good players to play with to be good therefore he doesn't make others better" argument.

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Mess omitting critical details to support his argument? NO WAY!
Yet people still keep replying to him and filling threads with "debates" against him.

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With an AHL centerman, he gets low-mid 30's.
With a good centerman, high 30's.
With an elite centerman, low-mid 40's.

But I think 50's far fetched. He'd have to have a hell of a season.
So the difference between and AHL and an elite NHL centre man is 10 goals for the Thrill?

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07-18-2012, 02:07 PM
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I don't see it. I imagine he is more likely to get 50 goals then get even 90 points in the next couple of years. Many players have the potential but its only the Malkins,Ovi, Stamkos's of the world that actually have the ability to become a consistent 50 goal threat.

Kessel finished with 82 points just last season, it's more likely he gets 8 more total points for 90 then 13 more goals for 50 in the short term.

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I know he was close to that pace for a portion of this season, but that's kind of his issue, right? He's streaky.

A few seasons of 40 goals would have me more than content. (With him personally as a player... not the trade.)
Its too bad for you that you can't see what a special player Kessel is. Some have been trying to tell you how elite Kessel is for a couple of years now. And here you are with one foot on the bandwagon. Next year you will be going on how you have always liked Kessel as player, just like PC did this year. At least he has the common sense to be more than content with a PPG player.

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Kessel finished with 82 points just last season, it's more likely he gets 8 more total points for 90 then 13 more goals for 50.
If Lupul didn't get hurt, we would be wondering if Kessel could get 5 more points for 100.

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07-18-2012, 02:15 PM
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If Lupul didn't get hurt, we would be wondering if Kessel could get 5 more points for 100.
Remember when some people used to say all Kessel would ever be is just a one dimensional perimeter sniper? Good times.

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07-18-2012, 02:22 PM
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Here comes the "Kessel needs good players to play with to be good therefore he doesn't make others better" argument.
Let them talk other than Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Malkin and Jagr each and every other great player to have played this game needs really good players with them to put up big numbers above a point a game avg.

Stamkos is a great player but lets say he trades places with Taveres on the Island would he be doing what he's doing without St. Louis? Wouldn't St.Louis have an impact on Taveres putting up more numbers than he does right now on the Island?

Claude Giroux you don't think Jagr and Hartnel had nothing to do with his past season?

Let them talk these people who talk like this about Kessel have no clue about this game it's a team sport line mates pad each other stats that's how it works for every player even Gretzky proven by once he left that stacked Edmonton team 200 pts season was to never be achieved again.

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Remember when some people used to say all Kessel would ever be is just a one dimensional perimeter sniper? Good times.
What is pathetic about this is, they probably still view him that way. #blindedbythehate

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Easy.

Put him with an elite playmaking centre, done, easy. He scored 36 in 70 games coming back from mono as a 20/21(?). And is the youngest current player to score 4 straight 30 goal seasons.

Put him on Pitts,
Dude you are way off on the youngest player to score 4 consecutive 30 goal seasons.

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Dude you are way off on the youngest player to score 4 consecutive 30 goal seasons.
I didn't say that. Name one current player that is younger than Phil that has scored 4 straight 30 goal seasons.

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Let them talk other than Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Malkin and Jagr each and every other great player to have played this game needs really good players with them to put up big numbers above a point a game avg.

Stamkos is a great player but lets say he trades places with Taveres on the Island would he be doing what he's doing without St. Louis? Wouldn't St.Louis have an impact on Taveres putting up more numbers than he does right now on the Island?

Claude Giroux you don't think Jagr and Hartnel had nothing to do with his past season?

Let them talk these people who talk like this about Kessel have no clue about this game it's a team sport line mates pad each other stats that's how it works for every player even Gretzky proven by once he left that stacked Edmonton team 200 pts season was to never be achieved again.
Sure Gretzky score 200+ pts, but only 91 were goals. where did the other 100+ pts come from? Wingers than could score 50+ goals too.

People are so blind.

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I think it's possible, but I think hes going to be a consistent 35-45 goal guy.

Maybe one season with 48+.

If we somehow acquired a legit #1 top 10 C in the league I would be alot more optimistic, but I'm quite happy with 35-40 goals a season 80+ points

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I'd be happy if he continues to be a ~PPG scorer, but with a strong centre he might flirt with the 50 mark.

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07-18-2012, 02:51 PM
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Kessel is a pure sniper with a great shot, so 40's goal range is achievable, with a little luck and few good bounces and breaks along the way, but all other aspects in play indicate downward pressure on his goal totals all things considered.
Why exactly are we extrapolating a trend isolated to a singular season over his career?

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With a #1 center, he can achieve 50 goals and 100 points. He's that skilled and was this highly regarded during his draft.

Lupul - Getzlaf - Kessel

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Can he? Yes. Will he? Probably not.

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