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07-18-2012, 05:21 PM
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Thornton for Stepan, 1st and McIlrath.
Realistically (from a Sharks POV), it'll probably take something like Stepan, Kreider, 1st, mid-level prospect.

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Not sure what's worse, the offer, or having Richards above Thornton.
Young established 2-way 2nd line center, top defenseman prospect and 1st is a bad offer?

Richards is above Thornton since the Richards line is better. Richards ain't better than Thornton though.

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Realistically (from a Sharks POV), it'll probably take something like Stepan, Kreider, 1st, mid-level prospect.
Yikes. Understandable from Sharks since he is the franchise's best all-time player, but this destroys depth.

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Realistically (from a Sharks POV), it'll probably take something like Stepan, Kreider, 1st, mid-level prospect.
Honestly, I doubt the sharks would even do it for that right now. It just makes no sense from their perspective. After this year if they fail then maybe Thornton gets traded but Thornton is essentially untouchable till then.

A more interesting discussion is what is Thornton worth following 12-13 if the sharks are eliminated in the first round again.

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You could also not say it when you know it's not true and you know it's not humorous in any way.

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A more interesting discussion is what is Thornton worth following 12-13 if the sharks are eliminated in the first round again.
This. I think one more year of a playoff fizzle is what it would take to move Joe. He's 33, not 38.

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Statsny, Barrie and a 1st for Thornton and Hamilton

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How about Stastny, Downie, and a 1st? I may or may not have any idea what I'm talking about.

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This. I think one more year of a playoff fizzle is what it would take to move Joe. He's 33, not 38.
If the Sharks are trying to fix their playoffs then it sure as hell doesn't start with Joe Thornton. He's probably consistently been the best player on the Sharks in and out of the playoffs the last few years. I'm not saying this is your stance, as you very well might just be saying the Sharks would need to start over if they fail in the playoffs again, but I'd move everyone else on the team before I'd move him, and I'm willing to bet the team feels that way too.

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Statsny, Barrie and a 1st for Thornton and Hamilton
This is the kind of serious offer I'd listen to. The main problem is that Barrie is a righty and therefore not a fit, but Stastny is a legit young #1C.

I'd require a young established first line player and a good forward prospect/first depending on the prospect.

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Honestly, I doubt the sharks would even do it for that right now. It just makes no sense from their perspective. After this year if they fail then maybe Thornton gets traded but Thornton is essentially untouchable till then.
Oh no, the proposal would be under the assumption of a rebuild. If we're still looking to be contenders, you don't want to see the kind of proposal that would be "realistic."

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What about Gio, Irving, and Reinhart?

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Never gonna happen, but if they were going to trade him, this is the most realistic thing i could think of

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Never gonna happen, but if they were going to trade him, this is the most realistic thing i could think of
I think Unicorns may beat that in the realm of realism.

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This. I think one more year of a playoff fizzle is what it would take to move Joe. He's 33, not 38.
Joe is the Sharks best player in the playoffs. He is not one of the reason's they lost to Vancouver and St. Louis.

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Realistically (from a Sharks POV), it'll probably take something like Stepan, Kreider, 1st, mid-level prospect.
And yet, still less than Nash, whom Thornton blows off the planet.

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Players that sub-perform in the playoffs are now heavily discounted. See how nobody is rushing to sign Semin.

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Players that sub-perform in the playoffs are now heavily discounted. See how nobody is rushing to sign Semin.
This is quite funny to me, as both Thornton and Semin are dinged for 'not performing in the playoffs', when in reality both are good playoff players.

Thornton has been a dominant force these past two playoffs, and Semin's poor counting stats from this past postseason can be attributed to an unlucky on-ice shooting percentage of 4% (league average is 8-9%).

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A more interesting discussion is what is Thornton worth following 12-13 if the sharks are eliminated in the first round again.
If the Sharks are eliminated from the first round again, it wouldn't be because Joe Thornton didn't bring his A game. It would be because his team didn't bring it.

Thornton is an amazing athlete and he will still be a great player in his late 30s.

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07-19-2012, 10:33 AM
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If the Sharks are eliminated from the first round again, it wouldn't be because Joe Thornton didn't bring his A game. It would be because his team didn't bring it.

Thornton is an amazing athlete and he will still be a great player in his late 30s.
Obviously yes. But if they fail in the first round again I expect everything to get blown up and they will start over. That includes trading away their best player(s).

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Obviously yes. But if they fail in the first round again I expect everything to get blown up and they will start over. That includes trading away their best player(s).
Blow up that team and keep Couture, Pavelski, Burns, Stuart and the other young defenseman.

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Players that sub-perform in the playoffs are now heavily discounted. See how nobody is rushing to sign Semin.
just stop because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Thornton is close to a ppg player in the playoffs. Just watch his performance the past 2 years and you will see this is totally untrue. Game 5 vs Vancouver was one of the best individual playoff performances I have seen from anyone on this team and he did it all with a separated shoulder.

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Players that sub-perform in the playoffs are now heavily discounted. See how nobody is rushing to sign Semin.
Ad nauseam. When was the last time you watched the playoffs? 2004?


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just stop because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Thornton is close to a ppg player in the playoffs. Just watch his performance the past 2 years and you will see this is totally untrue. Game 5 vs Vancouver was one of the best individual playoff performances I have seen from anyone on this team and he did it all with a separated shoulder.
Your thoughts are in-line with your emotions, and your insults just validate my point. Boston and San Jose never got anywhere with him. That is a fact. Also, Thornton's lifetime stats show an average PPG during the season of a cool 1.00, whereas it drops by 24% to 0.76 during the playoffs. He IS paid to produce offensively. Do you want more? I can continue. Oh, he played well during the 5th game of what series? I sure hope that with this talent and size that he can pull one out of the bag once in a while during the playoffs. You will always enjoy some great season play with these types of players but will never win the Cup if you rely on them heavily. Do you think that the Bruins would have traded him had they thought that he can remain outstanding in the playoffs? Oh, come on, be realistic. I like Thornton, but he is that type of player. What I am simply saying is that in today's NHL, where the playoffs are a completely different game, players who do not perform at their own level get earmarked and their value is discounted. No hard feelings.

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