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07-19-2012, 09:57 PM
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Think about this. He is getting more in BONUS money over the next 6 years, than Crosby will get for the first 6 years of his new contract. He is getting more bonus money than Parise and Suter combined. $68M just in BONUSES in this deal.
You can call it "bonuses" if you want, but it makes no difference what you call it, it is treated just like salary.

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07-20-2012, 06:12 AM
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Preds would have lost Weber, Suter, Radulov, AK and Tootoo

how should they be able to replace them?

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07-20-2012, 08:03 AM
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Preds would have lost Weber, Suter, Radulov, AK and Tootoo

how should they be able to replace them?
If Weber is gone, they are considerably under the floor, I'd throw Doan 7.5M per for 3 years, see if he bites. They need a new captain if Weber goes.

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07-20-2012, 08:29 AM
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If Weber is gone, they are considerably under the floor, I'd throw Doan 7.5M per for 3 years, see if he bites. They need a new captain if Weber goes.
yea, replacing two of their best offensive players with a 50pt 36 year old is going to make them playoff caliber after losing their top two dmen as well.

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07-20-2012, 08:32 AM
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yea, replacing two of their best offensive players with a 50pt 36 year old is going to make them playoff caliber after losing their top two dmen as well.
There isn't much left and they need to spend money to reach the floor. And yes, with Doan, I would expect them to make the playoffs.

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yea, but aren't you one of the guys who has a hardon for doan?

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07-20-2012, 08:43 AM
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yea, but aren't you one of the guys who has a hardon for doan?
I wasn't even here for the Doan conversations, but I like him, and I would like to sign him. I doubt we'll make a competitive offer, but he's a really valuable player on and off the ice. I think the Hawks could really use someone like him who is a natural born leader and hasn't won a Cup yet. For us, I wouldn't offer that deal, but I'd give him about 6M for 3 years. We aren't using the space anyway. I don't see the downside.

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07-20-2012, 08:46 AM
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Great move by Philly.

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07-20-2012, 08:51 AM
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the downside is that as our prospects start being ready over the next few years we'd have a 37+yr old guy who's going to be on the books for 6 mil and taking up a roster spot.

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07-20-2012, 08:55 AM
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the downside is that as our prospects start being ready over the next few years we'd have a 37+yr old guy who's going to be on the books for 6 mil and taking up a roster spot.
Isn't that how it is supposed to be, high priced veterans mixed with guys on ELC's? By the time, Saad, TT or any of the rest are due for contracts, Doan's will be over. In the meantime, you launch Frolik and pay for half of Doan's deal with that money and free up a roster spot for him. A Doan signing, especially combined with trading Frolik, makes this team better the next 3 years and has absolutely NO negative effect on the future. It just doesn't.

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07-20-2012, 08:59 AM
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1) i think he's got MAYBE 1 productive(worth a 6 mil cap hit) year left
2) some guys like saad, pirri, morin, beach could be ready in 2013(if not this year), having doan on the books for 6mil to play in the bottom 6 doesn't sound very appealing to me.
3) signing doan for that much money would greatly impact how big of players we can be in FA next season, and its slated to be a better crop than this year.

Doan would be nothing more than a bandaid and frankly i'm glad stan has apparently shown no interest.

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07-20-2012, 09:07 AM
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This years crop was about as good as you're going to see. It was a very good crop compared to most years. I wouldn't assume there will be a better one next year.

I don't know why people keep saying it sucked. It was in fact much better than usual.

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i didn't say it sucked, next year should be better is what I said.

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Like Doan would go to Nashville with 6 and 20 gone.


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Like Doan would go to Nashville with 6 and 20 gone.

I said 7.5M, so if he wanted the most money, he would. If he wants to go the best chance to win, he'll sign a 2 year deal for 4M per or less with LA or Vancouver.

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Like Doan would go to Nashville with 6 and 20 gone.

If they toss enough money at him, especially as they might very well need to spend in order to remain above the cap floor, he might very well.

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07-20-2012, 01:06 PM
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This years crop was about as good as you're going to see. It was a very good crop compared to most years. I wouldn't assume there will be a better one next year.

I don't know why people keep saying it sucked. It was in fact much better than usual.
What? This years crop was garbage.

Next years is looking a lot better right now. It's not even close actually.

Iginla, Jarome R CGY 35 $7,000,000 2013 (UFA)
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Getzlaf, Ryan C ANA 27 $5,325,000 2013 (UFA)
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Alfredsson, Daniel R OTT 39 $4,875,000 2013 (UFA)
McDonald, Andy C STL 34 $4,700,000 2013 (UFA)
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Selanne, Teemu R ANA 42 $4,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Lupul, Joffrey L TOR 28 $4,250,000 2013 (UFA)
Fisher, Mike C NAS 32 $4,200,000 2013 (UFA)
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Clowe, Ryane L SAN 29 $3,625,000 2013 (UFA)
Ryder, Michael R DAL 32 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Gagne, Simon L LAK 32 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Zubrus, Dainius C NJD 34 $3,400,000 2013 (UFA)
Penner, Dustin L LAK 29 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA)
MacArthur, Clarke L TOR 27 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA)
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Whitney, Ryan D EDM 29 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Enstrom, Tobias D WIN 27 $3,750,000 2013 (UFA)
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Edler, Alexander D VAN 26 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA)
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07-20-2012, 01:10 PM
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What? This years crop was garbage.
We have no idea what next years crop is going to look like after resignings. I agree, it "looks" like it will be better, but compare this years to the previous two years. I think this years was better. The fact that Parise and Suter were out there is a huge by itself. There was some nice mid range talent to be had too. Still have Semin and Doan out there.

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We have no idea what next years crop is going to look like after resignings. I agree, it "looks" like it will be better, but compare this years to the previous two years. I think this years was better. The fact that Parise and Suter were out there is a huge by itself. There was some nice mid range talent to be had too. Still have Semin and Doan out there.
True, but even if you take half of what I just posted, it still beats the hell out of this year or last years.

This years was the best in a couple years, but that's like saying a **** I just took smelt better than the last one I took. It's still ****.

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True, but even if you take half of what I just posted, it still beats the hell out of this year or last years.

This years was the best in a couple years, but that's like saying a **** I just took smelt better than the last one I took. It's still ****.
My contention is that it will continue to be **** with the rising cap, resignings and asset hoarding.

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I don't think next year will be crap at all, and there may be some nice deals signed because there is so much out there. Unlike the past 2 years where the talent fell off pretty dramatically after Suter/Parise & Richards and average players got paid like they were top 6/4 players.

Also, there won't be any long term deals thrown around if the new CBA has a limit, so that makes it even better for a team like us, who already have too many 10+ year deals.

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Yeah, I still don't see why you fight me on a 1 year Jagr signing or Mueller signing. I mean, get those two guys for just 1 year and it makes the team better. Definitely makes the PP better. There's just no excuse. Even if you hate both players, they both make the team better. Who is ready to play in the NHL for us right now? Maybe Saad and Pirri, that's it. We just cut loose Brunette. Frolik can go. There you go, two roster spots.

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Yeah, I still don't see why you fight me on a 1 year Jagr signing or Mueller signing. I mean, get those two guys for just 1 year and it makes the team better. Definitely makes the PP better. There's just no excuse. Even if you hate both players, they both make the team better. Who is ready to play in the NHL for us right now? Maybe Saad and Pirri, that's it. We just cut loose Brunette. Frolik can go. There you go, two roster spots.
I honestly don't think those players help us where we need help. Neither are defensive, neither are physical, and our PP needs guys who are willing to sit in front of the net. On paper, they do look like they can improve the club, but I don't think offense is what we lack. That and the PP problems stem from a crappy 'system' and not having net presence. It definitely doesn't lack talent.

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IMO, it very much lacks someone you can run the PP through, at least nobody has seized that role yet. It also lacks good shots from the point. I agree 100% on needing net presence but we both know shots from the point, then a screen, tips, rebounds are the easiest way to score. Jagr takes command on a PP with his great shooting and size to go where he wants when he wants and gets his shot off, Mueller gives us a great point shot, bring much more forward depth, especially with Saad and Pirri on top of that. Ideal signings/offseason, no. Very helpful signings, yes. And the key is the 1 year deals, not the positions per se. It completely removes the excuse, it's just really ignorant and offensive to anybody who plays for or follows this team. These are two groups being crapped on presently.

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Kane, Hossa, Toews all do what Jagr does, but better.

Muellers shot isn't any better than Sharps, Seabrooks, or even Leddy.

They arent the type of players we need, regardless if they are 1 year deals or not.

Jagr is a complete non-starter for me.
Mueller you could argue, but hes one hit away from being done. And again, he doesnt fit any need at all.

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