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[PHI] Shea Weber Signs Offer Sheet With Flyers, 14yrs/$100m+ (Part II)

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They are guaranteed to match. No possible way they don't. Weber is worth more than ever now that he is signed. They can trade him to anybody now. Especially with the salary cap and floor rising...

I have no idea what the Flyers were thinking. Now they have to win a renewed bidding war.
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wonder what the haul nahsville is gonna get back if they match and trade. their team will look entirely different in one year.
You cant trade a player for a year after he has signed an offer sheet.

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Does Weber want to stay in Nas?

No point in matching an offer if a player wants out

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You cant match and trade until a year from the offersheet being matched

And I bet Weber has a NMC in this deal
NAS only has to match the term & money, he won't have a NTC if they match, and if they do decide to trade him after a year you can count on a bidding war.

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Yet they were more than willing to pay $100 mil to suter AND weber....they will match this.
THeir best offer was about 90m ish for Suter.

Poile said he didn't get the chance to match minnesota's offer. Maybe.

Or could just be damage control so the fans don't get pissed at him for letting him walk..

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Nashville is severely handcuffed if people are thinking about trading him after the 1 year no trade window runs out. They will be paying him a $12-14m bonus next july 1 or so prior to the no trade windows expires. No way they pay him that and trade him a few weeks later.

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They are guaranteed to match. No possible way they don't. Weber is worth more than ever now that he is signed. They can trade him to anybody now. Especially with the salary cap and floor rising...

I have no idea what the Flyers were thinking. Now they have to win a renewed bidding war.
It's not as simple as you think.

Since Nashville cant trade him for a year, that means they will have to pay up for the first calendar year. That's gonna be a whole lot of money.

And if there's a lockout?


That decision is extremely difficult to make financially. It's not a decision any of us can make sitting behind a keyboard. We dont know how much money the Preds have.

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Does Weber want to stay in Nas?

No point in matching an offer if a player wants out
Ive never heard anything about him adamantly wanting to leave. I think he's happy to stay if he's getting paid.

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Who said anything about a NMC? The contract details haven't even been announced other than 14 years and over 100m
Speculation on my behalf, nothing more. I originally said I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks Nashville has to match any NMCs, and that's part of his poison pill. Partially because of his history, partially because I don't know if there's any kind of structure that scares Nashville off that much, unless we're talking the money being well in excess of $100M(like, over $120M).

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Huge deal for either of these teams. Nashville has to match or that franchise is in for a rough time.

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You cant match and trade until a year from the offersheet being matched

And I bet Weber has a NMC in this deal
The Preds don't have to match any NTC/NMC...

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Does Weber want to stay in Nas?

No point in matching an offer if a player wants out
Weber is content to play in either place if he wanted out he could have waited and became a UFA, he just wants the $$$ and the contract before the current CBA restricts deals like this.

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You cant match and trade until a year from the offersheet being matched

And I bet Weber has a NMC in this deal
Thanks for that bit of info. That's the most relevant piece of info I've seen in the last 20 pages.

Wow...

Now... is it legal for Nashville to trade Weber's rights within the next few days to a team and then let them match instead?

If Yes... Nashville can say to the other teams "Give us a break, we're being offered 4 1st rounders..."

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Does Weber want to stay in Nas?

No point in matching an offer if a player wants out
Scott Stevens signed an offer sheet with St. Louis when he was a Devil. He then proceeded to win 3 cups, and play his heart out. I wouldn't put too much stock in that. Joe Sakic too signed an offer sheet.

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I'm not going to pretend I know the financial situation of the Preds besides them having a budget. However, I do think that the owner will be willing to spend an extra 10 mil. Even if they wait a year and teams know the Preds have to unload him, it would still be so much more then what they'll get.
We were suppose to be a cap team next year, so it should be an issue. They will find the up front money. Hell my ticket is going up 25%. Our tickets are more than LA in a lot of areas.

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Does Weber want to stay in Nas?

No point in matching an offer if a player wants out
True. But the return is so low. They should be able to get much more in a trade.

They'll match just to protect their asset

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was that forty pages in less than an hour
Thats gotta be a record and considering the time of night its rather amazing.

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True, but getting a contract sans NTC/NMC might be in Nashville's favour. I think this is probably one of the best things that could have happened for them.

Ya thats kind of a bonus too, though NTC/NMC's as often as not fall by the wayside.

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Nashville is severely handcuffed if people are thinking about trading him after the 1 year no trade window runs out. They will be paying him a $12-14m bonus next july 1 or so prior to the no trade windows expires. No way they pay him that and trade him a few weeks later.
The above is why match-and-trade speculation is off base.

Nashville is either in or out. It's that simple. And there is no reason not to match unless they cannot financially afford the first few years of bonus money.

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Thanks for that bit of info. That's the most relevant piece of info I've seen in the last 20 pages.

Wow...

Now... is it legal for Nashville to trade Weber's rights within the next few days to a team and then let them match instead?

If Yes... Nashville can say to the other teams "Give us a break, we're being offered 4 1st rounders..."
No its not.

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THeir best offer was about 90m ish for Suter.

Poile said he didn't get the chance to match minnesota's offer. Maybe.

Or could just be damage control so the fans don't get pissed at him for letting him walk..
But he matched Detroits offer.

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Speculation on my behalf, nothing more. I originally said I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks Nashville has to match any NMCs, and that's part of his poison pill. Partially because of his history, partially because I don't know if there's any kind of structure that scares Nashville off that much, unless we're talking the money being well in excess of $100M(like, over $120M).
The poison pill would have been the 26m ish in the first calendar year and maybe 50m between the first two years

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The Preds don't have to match any NTC/NMC...
If it was a trade that would be true is it true for an offer sheet too?

Can anyone back that up with a link?

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I saw some say that the contract would be hard to move after a year if Nashville wanted to.

On so many levels that is a ridiculous idea.

Mostly because a quarter of the actual salary would have been already paid if the rumored frontloading is true. Meaning that an owner would only be out of pocket about $5.7 million per year for the final 13 years. Which in turn would mean that there would be no teams who could not play at the big boys table on this one, every team in the league could, and would, make an offer. The return would be ridiculous.

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Preds will match.

They still have the option to trade him in the future, and it will be worth a lot more then 4 20-30 picks. They can unload him after a year, so it would cost the owner ~10 mil max to get a substantial return.

The bonus will be like closer to 20M (10M this year and 10M payable July 1st 2013 and before this 1 year trade freeze expires) and so it won't make sense to trade Weber after a year. Nashville has two options.
1. Take the 4 first round picks (perhaps trade them if it makes sense) or
2. Match and keep Weber for rest of his career if they are willing

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