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07-25-2012, 01:19 PM
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3 years ago, It might have been true but since then, his offensive production have went down and today, I think Cole is a more productive offensive player.
Well Doan had more points in the last 3 years .. Since Cole only played 40 games in 2009-2010, I'll only compare the last 2 years.

In the last 2 years, Doan played 151 games and recorded 42 goals and 110 points.
Cole, played 164 games and recorded 61 goals and 113 points.
Cole is better in goalscoring, but Doan is a more productive offensive player, since he played 13 less games in those two years, but just had 3 less points than Cole.

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Semin fills our hole best.
Many women would agree with this

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While Id rather not throw money at anyone who isnt a win at all costs type of player
one glaring team need besides top six production is shootout production.
Semin hovers around 50 percent Doan 30 percent

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You wake the fak up. Semin scored 40 goals while playing run and gun style with a bunch of super skilled guys and that brought them to nowhere.

Semin in Mtl in a more responsible system will be what he was in Washngton this year, a 25 goal scorer, 30 at best. I'd rather have Doan who will score 20-25 (say 10 goals less about) but brings everything else, grit, character, etc.

You wake the fak up. Can't believe some so called hockey fans think Semin would be a great addition
Actually, that run and gun style brought them to the most GF/G since the lockout all teams combined. It also lead them to the President's trophy win, by almost 10pts.
As DA just brought up, in the POs, they faced a brick wall by the name of Halak. Despite dominating us, they lost. Same thing applied to the Pens in the following round.
Despite their early PO exit, that was their most successful season (since the lockout at least). They only lost 15 regular season games that year! They were a force to be reckon with.
Unfortunately, they took something that worked for them, tried to switch it around and has lead to worse results. Last year, playing under Hunter, they looked very similar to us when we went to the ECF. They got dominated, had timely goals, and a hot keeper.

So, to begin with, their run and gun style was appropriate for them. They needed better goaltending and one stronger top 4 defensive D, and mainly, patience. Telling a team that has Ovie, Semin, Backstrom, Green, to focus on defense is just ********. It was a bad decision.
It's not because they didn't win a cup or got to the finals that it wasn't the right system.


As for our team, no clue what our system will be, but in Pittsburgh, Therrien didn't have that much of a responsible system going on. They focused on offense, and rightfully so, with guys like Crosby, Staal and Malkin.
My guess is Therrien will preach a hard working, aggressive offensive system, with smart defensive decisions (obviously). But aggressive physical forecheck will be the primary focus and if you put a Semin with Plekanec and Cole, then I fail to see how the ceiling for Semin is lower than his career average.

I have no problem with Doan. I think he'd be a good addition, but I think we need more of a skilled winger than a gritty winger now. We have MaxPac-Cole-Gionta, Plek-DD are also gritty with strong forechecking skills, Eller as well. So a guy like Semin would fill a void.


Ya, hockey fans thinking that adding someone that has a career average of 35G would be a great additions are just nuts..I mean, who cares about a 35G career avg, that is useless especially for a team with scoring problems!


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07-25-2012, 01:55 PM
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Kostitsyn will never be back, he was traded because the current group of players wanted it.
uh who said the team wanted him out? so are you saying the players wanted cammalleri to be traded during an intermission? was there a closed door meeting in the 2nd period and they decided "yup mike, we don't like you we're going to trade you to the flames"

It was said many times that akost was funny and loved by his teammates, you must be one of those "RDS" guys. If his name was Andrei Kostι...you would love him.

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07-25-2012, 02:45 PM
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uh who said the team wanted him out? so are you saying the players wanted cammalleri to be traded during an intermission? was there a closed door meeting in the 2nd period and they decided "yup mike, we don't like you we're going to trade you to the flames"

It was said many times that akost was funny and loved by his teammates, you must be one of those "RDS" guys. If his name was Andrei Kostι...you would love him.
Gionta and Plekanec really made it clear when Andrei was traded, I don't really need to say more. I'm in Toronto, I don't care what language anyone speaks, we are all humans. AK went on to support what I'm saying with his pal Radulov, in the playoffs.

Where did I talk about Cam? yeah.

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07-25-2012, 02:49 PM
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Gionta and Plekanec really made it clear when Andrei was traded, I don't really need to say more.
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You wake the fak up. Semin scored 40 goals while playing run and gun style with a bunch of super skilled guys and that brought them to nowhere.

Semin in Mtl in a more responsible system will be what he was in Washngton this year, a 25 goal scorer, 30 at best. I'd rather have Doan who will score 20-25 (say 10 goals less about) but brings everything else, grit, character, etc.

You wake the fak up. Can't believe some so called hockey fans think Semin would be a great addition
Outside Ovechkin, arguably the world's best player then, Semin was probably the second most skilled player out of that bunch of super skilled guys.

I want super skilled guys on the Habs. You don't?

And I'm sure Semin can score 30g or more here. Erik Cole had a career high of 35 last year and Pacioretty had 33. Semin is a far better goal scorer than both of them. He'd be the greatest powerplay shooting option up front and would get a lot of quality icetime with good playmaking forwards (Desharnais, Plekanec and Galchenyuk in a few years).

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What's the point of even speculating if Semin is coming here or not? Bergevin already came out and said that they are not going that route, so it's time to move on and think about realistic options for the club this year.

Doan is coming to visit next week, apparently, so there's that. But can we even afford him? He's not going to settle for anything less than a 3 year deal with us. He'll also ask for at least a million more a year because of taxes, so if we signed him it would probably be at no less than 5.5m a year over 3 years. Do we really want to commit that much to a guy who'll be 39 at the end of that deal and has barely broken 20 goals the last 3 seasons?

I say we should take the route that is the cheapest and leaves the door open for our young draftees to break through. No one has commented on this but i'll say it again: the habs should sign Petr Sykora. He's good value and can still put the puck in the net.

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07-25-2012, 03:13 PM
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It's important to ask why Washington is letting go of Semin.

There's more to winning games than outscoring your opponents -- character counts for a lot more than goal scoring.

That's why Washington is replacing Semin with Ribeiro and Wolski.

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It's important to ask why Washington is letting go of Semin.

There's more to winning games than outscoring your opponents -- character counts for a lot more than goal scoring.

That's why Washington is replacing Semin with Ribeiro and Wolski.

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Gionta and Plekanec really made it clear when Andrei was traded, I don't really need to say more. I'm in Toronto, I don't care what language anyone speaks, we are all humans. AK went on to support what I'm saying with his pal Radulov, in the playoffs.

Where did I talk about Cam? yeah.
Show us proof. I've never heard or read anything about Gionta and Plekanec happy that AK was gone but I've read that Gill, our ex-assistant captain, did said good words about AK so that Poile decide to trade for him... and I can easily back that up with an article unlike you that seem to be pulling **** out of your ass.

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It's important to ask why Washington is letting go of Semin.

There's more to winning games than outscoring your opponents -- character counts for a lot more than goal scoring.

That's why Washington is replacing Semin with Ribeiro and Wolski.
Because Ribeiro + wolski > semin in term of point producing

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Are Habs fans not tired of forgoing scoring goals and winning for "character" grinders?

Enough with the choir boys. We need some goal scorers. Not every player is going to be a heart and soul player. You're going to need than stone cold assassin who can score when need be.

I have no issue with the Habs landing Semin. I think a lot of the character talk is overblown..and if not..who's to say he won't buy in?

Eventually you need to get guys who can score goals!

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Are Habs fans not tired of forgoing scoring goals and winning for "character" grinders?

Enough with the choir boys. We need some goal scorers. Not every player is going to be a heart and soul player. You're going to need than stone cold assassin who can score when need be.

I have no issue with the Habs landing Semin. I think a lot of the character talk is overblown..and if not..who's to say he won't buy in?

Eventually you need to get guys who can score goals!
+1000, we need goal scorers, we cant have a team full of grinders. And as much as I like Doan, I don't want 35yo Doan for 3-4 years (too risky).

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+1000, we need goal scorers now, we cant have a team full of grinders.
But but but Grinders have character an will play thru injuries and they try hard and that's worth way more then scoring goals in the NHL !

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Is there a history between MB and Doan? Were they ever team mates?

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Outside Ovechkin, arguably the world's best player then, Semin was probably the second most skilled player out of that bunch of super skilled guys.

I want super skilled guys on the Habs. You don't?

And I'm sure Semin can score 30g or more here. Erik Cole had a career high of 35 last year and Pacioretty had 33. Semin is a far better goal scorer than both of them. He'd be the greatest powerplay shooting option up front and would get a lot of quality icetime with good playmaking forwards (Desharnais, Plekanec and Galchenyuk in a few years).
Okay follow this equation:

Kovalev = Kostitsyn = Semin = Head Case = No Thank You!

For a moment I did want Semin as well but then I sobered up!

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Gionta and Plekanec really made it clear when Andrei was traded, I don't really need to say more. I'm in Toronto, I don't care what language anyone speaks, we are all humans. AK went on to support what I'm saying with his pal Radulov, in the playoffs.

Where did I talk about Cam? yeah.
Link please, or I'll report you for Libel.

I don't remember anything like this coming out at the time of the trade... Gomez came out and said that Kostitsyn was the most well-liked guy in the dressing room and the "funniest". So either link, or I'll report (not to be a dick, I'm just tired of people being mislead by others who decide to make up seemingly true stories).

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Is there a history between MB and Doan? Were they ever team mates?
I hate to be one of those people but it was really easy to find :


Regular season Playoffs
Season Team League GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
1992–93 Kamloops Blazers WHL 51 7 12 19 55 13 0 1 1 8
1993–94 Kamloops Blazers WHL 52 24 24 48 88 — — — — —
1994–95 Kamloops Blazers WHL 71 37 57 94 106 21 6 10 16 16
1995–96 Winnipeg Jets NHL 74 7 10 17 101 6 0 0 0 6
1996–97 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 63 4 8 12 49 4 0 0 0 2
1997–98 Springfield Falcons AHL 39 21 21 42 64 — — — — —
1997–98 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 33 5 6 11 35 6 1 0 1 6
1998–99 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 79 6 16 22 54 7 2 2 4 6
1999–00 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 81 26 25 51 66 4 1 2 3 8
2000–01 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 76 26 37 63 89 — — — — —
2001–02 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 81 20 29 49 61 5 2 2 4 6
2002–03 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 82 21 37 58 86 — — — — —
2003–04 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 79 27 41 68 47 — — — — —
2005–06 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 82 30 36 66 123 — — — — —
2006–07 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 73 27 28 55 73 — — — — —
2007–08 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 80 28 50 78 59 — — — — —
2008–09 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 82 31 42 73 72 — — — — —
2009–10 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 82 18 37 55 41 3 1 1 2 4
2010–11 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 72 20 40 60 67 4 3 2 5 6
2011–12 Phoenix Coyotes NHL 79 22 28 50 48 16 5 4 9 41
NHL totals 1198 318 470 788 1071 55 15 13 28 85

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Regular season Playoffs
Season Team League GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
1982-83 Chicoutimi Saguenιens QMJHL 64 3 27 30 113 5 0 0 0 26
1983-84 Chicoutimi Saguenιens QMJHL 70 10 35 45 125 — — — — —
1983-84 Springfield Indians AHL 7 0 1 1 2 4 0 0 0 0
1984-85 Chicoutimi Saguenιens QMJHL 2 0 1 1 4 — — — — —
1984-85 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 60 0 6 6 54 6 0 3 3 2
1985-86 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 71 7 7 14 60 3 0 0 0 0
1986-87 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 66 4 10 14 66 3 1 0 1 2
1987-88 Saginaw Hawks IHL 10 2 7 9 20 — — — — —
1987-1988 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 58 1 6 7 85 — — — — —
1988-89 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 11 0 0 0 18 — — — — —
New York Islanders 58 2 13 15 62 — — — — —
1989-90 Springfield Indians AHL 47 7 16 23 66 17 2 11 13 16
1989-90 New York Islanders NHL 18 0 4 4 30 1 0 0 0 2
1990-91 Capital District Islanders AHL 7 0 5 5 6 — — — — —
1990-91 Hartford Whalers NHL 4 0 0 0 4 — — — — —
1990-91 Springfield Indians AHL 58 4 23 27 85 18 0 7 7 26
1991-92 Hartford Whalers NHL 75 7 17 24 64 5 0 0 0 2
1992-93 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 78 2 12 14 66 — — — — —
1993-94 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 83 1 15 16 87 — — — — —
1994-95 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 44 2 4 6 51 — — — — —
1995-96 Detroit Red Wings NHL 70 1 9 10 33 17 1 0 1 14
1996-97 St. Louis Blues NHL 0 4 4 53 6 1 0 1 8
1997-98 St. Louis Blues NHL 81 3 7 10 90 10 0 1 1 8
1998-99 St. Louis Blues NHL 52 1 1 2 99 — — — — —
1999-00 St. Louis Blues NHL 81 1 8 9 75 7 0 1 1 6
2000-01 St. Louis Blues NHL 2 0 0 0 0 — — — — —
Pittsburgh Penguins 36 1 3 5 26 12 0 1 1 2
2001-02 Worcester IceCats AHL 2 0 0 0 0 — — — — —
2001-02 St. Louis Blues NHL 30 0 3 3 2 7 0 0 0 4
2002-03 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 69 2 5 7 36 — — — — —
Tampa Bay Lightning 1 0 0 0 0 — — — — —
2003-04 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 52 1 8 9 27 — — — — —
Vancouver Canucks 9 0 2 2 2 3 0 0 0 2
NHL totals 1191 36 145 181 1090 80 3 6 9 52

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Kovalev = Kostitsyn = Semin = ...
= Frolov = Radulov = Zherdev.

The Russia haters are getting ridiculous.

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= Frolov = Radulov = Zherdev.

The Russia haters are getting ridiculous.
Does that mean = Ovechkin and Kovalchuk too?

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Does that mean = Ovechkin and Kovalchuk too?
It's well documented in discrimination studies that the bar is lowered for genuine superstars (using a sports term for the non-sports world). In this case, franchise players like Malkin and Datsyuk can get away with being Russian. Guys who are merely 30-goal scorers? They're "lazy".

Further,

Ovechkin is actually now regularly derided around the league and in commentary. For whatever reason, the first half of the 2011-2012 season was the worst of his career (happens to every single player), but now there's no shortage of commentary that he's lazy, fat, etc, in spite of the fact he recovered in the second half.

During the playoffs his goal scoring contributed to Washington's solid and impressive run. Ovechkin rocked the playoffs. However, the commentators kept putting up stats about how he was underperforming.

ETA: A lot of fans/commentators wrote that Kovalchuk was overpaid. Almost nobody wrote that when the massively inferior Zach Parise got a very similar contract.

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Okay follow this equation:

Kovalev = Kostitsyn = Semin = Head Case = No Thank You!

For a moment I did want Semin as well but then I sobered up!
Ex Hab = ex hab = future ex hab.
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