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07-19-2012, 05:30 PM
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1. philly offersheeted chris gratton

2. (random dealings with a fax machine and the blackhawks that have no relevance to this situation)

3. Esposito and Clarke work out a trade that is better compensation than four firsts: Renberg and Dykhuis (actually, they supposedly agreed to another deal, which was Brind'Amour + Renberg + Dykhuis, but it was vetoed by flyers ownership so espo just agreed to the two)

4. Tampa declines to match the offersheet.

5. Tampa trades philly's four firsts for Renberg and Dykhuis.


I think the year was 1997, but i'm going off memory here.
You forgot the part where Philly then traded Gratton back to Tampa for Renberg after only 1 season.

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1. philly offersheeted chris gratton

2. (random dealings with a fax machine and the blackhawks that have no relevance to this situation)

3. Esposito and Clarke work out a trade that is better compensation than four firsts: Renberg and Dykhuis (actually, they supposedly agreed to another deal, which was Brind'Amour + Renberg + Dykhuis, but it was vetoed by flyers ownership so espo just agreed to the two)

4. Tampa declines to match the offersheet.

5. Tampa trades philly's four firsts for Renberg and Dykhuis.


I think the year was 1997, but i'm going off memory here.
You're good man.. Not too worry

Taken from the history of the NHL Offer sheet;

http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/...-offer-sheets/

Later that summer the Flyers were successful with an offer sheet as their 5 year $16.5 million offer to Tampa Bay centre Chris Gratton was not matched by the club. Gratton was the 3rd overall pick in the 1993 entry draft and with a 30 goal season in Tampa appeared to be growing into the elite power forward many thought he could be. The Flyers hoped he could provide a dynamic duo with then star centre Eric Lindros. The Compensation in this case was 4 first round picks, which were promptly traded back from Tampa Bay to Philly for Mikael Renberg and Karl Dykhuis. Gratton was seen as a disappointment in Philly and after paying his huge signing bonus and having him for 1 year, he was traded back to Tampa for Renberg. He would never again score 30 goals.

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1. philly offersheeted chris gratton

2. (random dealings with a fax machine and the blackhawks that have no relevance to this situation)

3. Esposito and Clarke work out a trade that is better compensation than four firsts: Renberg and Dykhuis (actually, they supposedly agreed to another deal, which was Brind'Amour + Renberg + Dykhuis, but it was vetoed by flyers ownership so espo just agreed to the two)

4. Tampa declines to match the offersheet.

5. Tampa trades philly's four firsts for Renberg and Dykhuis.


I think the year was 1997, but i'm going off memory here.
Interesting stuff, I didn't think that was possible or at least didn't think outside the box for such a deal to happen.

Thanks for info!!

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The way contracts are given out today, he isn't really that overpaid.

You have to remember, there is a very good chance most of those first rounders could be high 20s. I'd say two of them is fair value for Jbo, especially considering Calgary could use the cap relief.
Yes, he really is. He is supposedly an offensive Dman, and how many points did he get last year again? He's also no defensive stud and isn't exactly a big hitter. All you need to know is this : JBo has played horribly since he signed, and is making almost 6.7 mill. Erik Karlsson, defending Norris winner, 2-time all-star at the age of 21 (1-time all-star starter), and near PPG defencemen who IS Ottawa's offence, will next year for the first time make 6.5 million. Tell me how overpaid JBo looks now. If he were paid based on performance, he would make no more than 2-3 mill per year.

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Slightly OT but I have a question...

Is the draft pick compensation based on AAV or on the value of the first year of the contract? Because if it's AAV, then the compensation (according to NHL.com) is
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$6,728,781 to $8,410,976 Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice

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Philly's 2 1st rnd picks (2015, 2016) to San Jose

Havlat, Demers, McLaren
We're not giving away a top six forward+a yound d with potential to be top 4+a young gritty forward for 2 mid round picks.

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The Weber thread is mostly about NSH matching. Let's assume they do not and acquire PHI's next 4 1st rnd picks. If they were to turn around and move those picks, what could they get?

I'll throw one out there:

Philly's 2 1st rnd picks (2013, 2014) to Calgary
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Jay Bouwmeester

Philly's 2 1st rnd picks (2015, 2016) to San Jose

Havlat, Demers, McLaren
I hope you aren't serious.

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Slightly OT but I have a question...

Is the draft pick compensation based on AAV or on the value of the first year of the contract? Because if it's AAV, then the compensation (according to NHL.com) is
Something about the CBA dividing up the total contract over 5 years.
So a total of 100/5 = 20 which more than 8 mil.

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the highest value nashville will get for those picks is from philly, in a chris gratton situation, because then the trade becomes: four first round picks and agreeing not to match to offer sheet for x.

so i'd say Voracek, Meszaros/Coburn, Manning/Gustafsson.
Probably Voracek/Mez/2 of the firsts. I'd say swap COburn for Mez if Nash really pushes. But that's what my gut tells me will happen.

Not exactly a fair deal for Nashville, but not terrible considering all scenarios.

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The Weber thread is mostly about NSH matching. Let's assume they do not and acquire PHI's next 4 1st rnd picks. If they were to turn around and move those picks, what could they get?

I'll throw one out there:

Philly's 2 1st rnd picks (2013, 2014) to Calgary
for

Jay Bouwmeester

Philly's 2 1st rnd picks (2015, 2016) to San Jose

Havlat, Demers, McLaren
It wouldn't take 2 1st's to acquire Bouwmeester , one of the picks would be enough.

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Okay here's a hybred of 2 other deals I've seen on here and this might help lessen the sting of loosing Weber and Suter a little bit.

Re-work the RFA compo to Meszaros, Voracek, 2013 1st, 2014 1st

Then trade 2013 1st and Erik Gustafsson to the Flames for JBo

Preds D for 2013 season looks like

JBo Josi
Klein Mez
Ellis Gill
Blum

And they would sill ave an additional 1st in 2014

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Still cant figure out the jaybo hate

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I may be wrong but aren't you not allowed to trade draft picks farther than 2 years in the future? It could be different in this situtation and I may be wrong but just wondering?

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You're not getting Havlat+ for your 2 late 1sts.

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The value of Philly's 4 first round picks is.......Shea Weber.

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The value of Philly's 4 first round picks is.......Shea Weber.
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the highest value nashville will get for those picks is from philly, in a chris gratton situation, because then the trade becomes: four first round picks and agreeing not to match to offer sheet for x.

so i'd say Voracek, Meszaros/Coburn, Manning/Gustafsson.
Poile and Holmgrem will talk. If Philly agrees to Schenn, Couturier, Schenn +, then he will take the picks and trade them. If Holmgrem doesnt agree, he matches.

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Poile and Holmgrem will talk. If Philly agrees to Schenn, Couturier, Schenn +, then he will take the picks and trade them. If Holmgrem doesnt agree, he matches.
Why would the Flyers even think about considering that deal? If they think Nashville can match, I say let em match. Thats just the price of business. The first round draft picks are far and away the least valuable assets to the Flyers in this scenario.

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I don't "hate" him, but he is being paid like a #1 defenseman, yet he hasn't score more than 29 points in 3 years, and is a minus 54 for his career. He is simply not worth the money he is being paid.

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the highest value nashville will get for those picks is from philly, in a chris gratton situation, because then the trade becomes: four first round picks and agreeing not to match to offer sheet for x.

so i'd say Voracek, Meszaros/Coburn, Manning/Gustafsson.
This is what I think will happen except that the last player you listed (prospects) will be replaced by the Flyers 2013 1st.

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The Weber thread is mostly about NSH matching. Let's assume they do not and acquire PHI's next 4 1st rnd picks. If they were to turn around and move those picks, what could they get?

I'll throw one out there:

Philly's 2 1st rnd picks (2013, 2014) to Calgary
for

Jay Bouwmeester

Philly's 2 1st rnd picks (2015, 2016) to San Jose

Havlat, Demers, McLaren



Worst Offers ever AINEC. We're not paying through our noses for 2 worthless draft picks.

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Why would the Flyers even think about considering that deal? If they think Nashville can match, I say let em match. Thats just the price of business. The first round draft picks are far and away the least valuable assets to the Flyers in this scenario.
Your forgetting that The Flers actually need Weber. If they have to give up players like Schenn or Coutourier to get it done they may just do that. The money doesn't scare tehm, but if Nashville is willing to match the nthey may just have to bite the bullet and pay a price to get him.

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Worst Offers ever AINEC. We're not paying through our noses for 2 worthless draft picks.
I agree With you, horrible deal for the sharks... But here's a list of some recent, good to great players drafted around 20th overall +

Mike Richards
Claude Giroux
Parise (17)
Getzlaf (19)
Kesler
Perry
Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Schneider
Meszaros
Zajac
Green
Oshie
Rask
Pacioretty
Perron
Eberle
Sbisa
Carlson
Ennis
Kreider (19)
Henrique

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I agree With you, horrible deal for the sharks... But here's a list of some recent, good to great players drafted around 20th overall +

Mike Richards
Claude Giroux
Parise (17)
Getzlaf (19)
Kesler
Perry
Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Schneider
Meszaros
Zajac
Green
Oshie
Rask
Pacioretty
Perron
Eberle
Sbisa
Carlson
Ennis
Kreider (19)
Henrique
Hindsight is 20/20 eh? We're not going to take late first rounders just because great players have come late. Draft is never the same from a trends standpoint, so you don't even know what you're getting.

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Your forgetting that The Flers actually need Weber. If they have to give up players like Schenn or Coutourier to get it done they may just do that. The money doesn't scare tehm, but if Nashville is willing to match the nthey may just have to bite the bullet and pay a price to get him.
Poile asked for Schenn and Couturier, you can imagine why Philly sent the offer sheet then. It's quite obvious that they're not going to pay through their noses, so they went for the next best option.

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to put it simply:

Weber>>>>>next 4 Philly's 1st round picks.

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