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07-18-2012, 10:35 AM
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Would a MLS team succeed in Winnipeg?

Since its slow around here I was starting to think about a possibly of a MLS team working in Winnipeg. On Average the attendance in MLS is between 15,000 and 20,000. With a brand new stadium at Investors Field having a seating capacity of 33,000 that could possibly be a home for a MLS team. Obviously ownership is a huge and without a owner there is no team. IMO I think soccer is big enough here for this to work. So what do you think?

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Since its slow around here I was starting to think about a possibly of a MLS team working in Winnipeg. On Average the attendance in MLS is between 15,000 and 20,000. With a brand new stadium at Investors Field having a seating capacity of 33,000 that could possibly be a home for a MLS team. Obviously ownership is a huge and without a owner there is no team. IMO I think soccer is big enough here for this to work. So what do you think?
No, it would hurt both the Blue Bombers and Goldeyes and I doubt the Bombers would want the competition in their new stadium.

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Pro soccer has been tried here before and it wasn't high on anyone's radar. Edmonton has a more recent soccer tradition and their club (Edmonton FC) playing in the 2nd tier NASL. They'd probably be in line before us if MLS were interested in any more expansion in Canada. I think Vancouver and Montreal also both proved themselves as successful 2nd tier pro soccer cities before joining the MLS.

Travel's probably also an issue. There aren't many MLS teams around here. Chicago and Kansas City are probably the closest.

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Doesn't Winnipeg have a professional team? WSA Winnipeg? How are the crowds?

http://wsawinnipeg.ca/


What happened to the Winnipeg Alliance FC? is that indoor soccer?

No, doesn't seem like good fit at this time.

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WSA Winnipeg's roster consists mainly of local Winnipeg players from ages 15 to 23. (PDL rules permit three players above the age of 23.) These players compete in North American soccer's top developmental league, developing their skills so that they can reach their goal of becoming professional soccer players.

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I remember the old Winnipeg Fury soccer team that used to play out of the stadium back in the day but that's it. Didn't really get a sense for how popular it was but it was fun to watch for sure.

I've kind of fallen out of the whole soccer scene since then.

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Since its slow around here I was starting to think about a possibly of a MLS team working in Winnipeg. On Average the attendance in MLS is between 15,000 and 20,000. With a brand new stadium at Investors Field having a seating capacity of 33,000 that could possibly be a home for a MLS team. Obviously ownership is a huge and without a owner there is no team. IMO I think soccer is big enough here for this to work. So what do you think?
I honestly think no chance. The friends that I have in Wpg that are big soccer fans want to see Man U vs Chelsea (sorry if I got the matchups wrong)...just like I wanted to see the Jets - and had no interest in supporting the Moose. Second or third rate soccer I dont think is a winner in Winnipeg...

Sorry, just being honest

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Doesn't Winnipeg have a professional team? WSA Winnipeg? How are the crowds?

http://wsawinnipeg.ca/


What happened to the Winnipeg Alliance FC? is that indoor soccer?

No, doesn't seem like good fit at this time.

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WSA is 4th tier semi-pro team. So if MLS = NHL, then WSA plays one tier below the ECHL.

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I can't really see it. Soccer as a pro sport is definitely growing in Winnipeg and in North America in general and will only continue to get more popular, but I think we're a very long way away from the point where there'd be enough fan support / $$$ or corporate ability to support a MLS team, especially with what's already tied up with the Jets, Bombers and to lesser extent Goldeyes.

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Well apparently the econonmy is now one of the best in the country. So an increase in $ and people can make it possible in the near future.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...rticle4421538/

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It’s no powerhouse yet, but Manitoba is now the country’s fastest-growing province in terms of prosperity. Alberta is still struggling; Calgary, once home to the country’s wealthiest denizens, is watching the oil-sands boom ease off. Meanwhile, risk-tolerant Nova Scotia saw its household net worth decline almost 5 per cent in 2011.
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4. Manitoba as a star player

Manitoba “has never been a star performer, but it’s never been a weak performer either,” Mr. Miron says. In terms of household wealth, the province is positioned to be the fastest-growing in the country, having seen a 2.3-per-cent growth to $270,639 in 2011.

While natural resources are often touted as the key driving factor in the Prairies, Mr. Miron says, the province’s diverse “everyman economy” helped drive its rise in net worth. “There’s a little bit of everything, and there’s private sector investment and infrastructure development there to drive it.”

Mr. Murenbeeld says Manitobans are feeding off of the province’s strong growth. “When growth is fairly strong, people tend to take on a little bit more risk,” he says. “You’re feeling more confident of income prospects and employment prospects.”

Manitoba and Saskatchewan are the only two provinces to increase their stock-based investments in 2011. The Environics analysis shows the provinces took 2011’s market downturns “in stride” and are investing further to replenish their portfolio losses.

Saskatchewan’s resource sector – namely oil, uranium and potash – has long driven its economy. Growth there and in Manitoba has kept confidence stronger than elsewhere, keeping residents interested in riskier investing, Mr. Miron says.

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WSA is 4th tier semi-pro team. So if MLS = NHL, then WSA plays one tier below the ECHL.
the MLS in itself is a second rate league so you may want to knock it down a peg further.

be nice if we could have better development in NA for soccer though

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Soccer is on a big revival thanks to the MLS. Winnipeg may one day be a candidate for the NASL, however, Winnipeg has a stagnant population which hurts the city. If Winnipeg had a large growth spurt you will see soccer being spoken about. BTW, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers would proably LOVE to see someone pay rent on their facility.

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Soccer is on a big revival thanks to the MLS. Winnipeg may one day be a candidate for the NASL, however, Winnipeg has a stagnant population which hurts the city. If Winnipeg had a large growth spurt you will see soccer being spoken about. BTW, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers would proably LOVE to see someone pay rent on their facility.
Wonder how much the World Cup pays

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Soccer is on a big revival thanks to the MLS. Winnipeg may one day be a candidate for the NASL, however, Winnipeg has a stagnant population which hurts the city. If Winnipeg had a large growth spurt you will see soccer being spoken about. BTW, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers would proably LOVE to see someone pay rent on their facility.
Are you stuck in 1996? The population is not stagnant and is one of the fastest growing in the country for a certain population range. Roccerfeller had some stats awhile back showing this, but I can't remember where they are.

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I think it could but its at least 10 years off.

Right now we have a PDL team, which is a development league for the USL, one league below the NASL.

I know the owners hope is that we can eventually secure an NASL team, and then if that goes well, a MLS team is not beyond the realm of possibility. There are 18 MLS teams so lots of room for growth.

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If we had an MLS team I would go to zero games.

NFL and NHL are the only leagues that matter to me.

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Doesn't Winnipeg have a professional team? WSA Winnipeg? How are the crowds?

http://wsawinnipeg.ca/


What happened to the Winnipeg Alliance FC? is that indoor soccer?

No, doesn't seem like good fit at this time.

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That team isn't really a pro team per se. They don't get paid. The younger players would lose eligibility for American scholarships if they were paid so they are just given a living allowance when on the road I believe.

As for the Alliance, the "league" they were in for their first season never really formed. It was all local players with the exception of one pro they brought in. The second season they kind of played various teams but not really in a league format. They brought on Troy Westwood at one point in the second season (for those who don't know Westwood briefly played for the Fury back in the day). I thinkt they played one more year and now the team is on hold (their website hasn't been updated in over a year). My brother was on the team for the first two season so don't know much of what happened after that.


As for the MLS, considering the Montreal Impact are struggling at the gate (outside of their record setting game against the galaxy) I don't see Winnipeg getting an MLS team anytime in the near future.

More realistically would be an NASL team which is second tier North American soccer. Edmonton has a team with Ottawa joining in a few years. Even that is a stretch I think.

What could change all that would be the bid for Canada to host the world cup in 2022. The MLS was formed as part of the US bid in 1994. If Canada is serious about landing the tournament, true nationwide domestic soccer would have to be implemented I think.

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It won't happen, but I would love it if it did.

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Are you stuck in 1996? The population is not stagnant and is one of the fastest growing in the country for a certain population range. Roccerfeller had some stats awhile back showing this, but I can't remember where they are.
In what population range is Winnipeg one of the fastest growing? In 1996 Winnipeg had roughly the same census population as Edmonton. Now Edmonton is 148,000 ahead. Even Quebec City is growing faster...

From Wikipedia:

Here's Winnipeg since 1981:

Year Pop. ±%
1981 564,373 +0.6%
1986 592,551 +5.0%
1991 616,790 +4.1%
1996 618,477 +0.3%
2001 619,544 +0.2%
2006 633,451 +2.2%
2011 663,617 +4.8%

Here's Calgary since 1981:

1981 592,743 +26.1%
1986 636,107 +7.3%
1991 710,795 +11.7%
1996 768,082 +8.1%
2001 878,866 +14.4%
2006 988,193 +12.4%
2011 1,096,833 +11.0%

Here's Edmonton:

1981 532,246 +15.4%
1986 573,982 +7.8%
1991 616,741 +7.4%
1996 616,306 −0.1%
2001 666,104 +8.1%
2006 730,372 +9.6%
2011 812,201 +11.2%

Ottawa:

1981 295,163
1986 300,763 +1.9%
1991 313,987 +4.4%
1996 323,340 +3.0%
2001 774,072*
2006 812,129 +4.9%
2011 883,391 +8.8%

* Amalgamation

Quebec City:

1981 434,980 +1.2%
1986 440,598 +1.3%
1991 461,894 +4.8%
1996 473,569 +2.5%
2001 476,330 +0.6%
2006 491,142 +3.1%
2011 516,622 +5.2%

Saskatoon:

1981 154,210 +22.0%
1991 186,058 +20.7%
1996 193,653 +4.1%
2001 196,811 +1.6%
2006 202,340 +2.8%
2011 222,189 +9.8%

Metro Vancouver:

1981 1,169,831 +13.8%
1991 1,602,590 +37.0%
1996 1,831,665 +14.3%
2001 1,986,965 +8.5%
2006 2,116,581 +6.5%
2011 2,313,328 +9.3%


Winnipeg trails every city in the 2001-2011 period.

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Not right now, maybe in 2016 it'd be the best time, everything is completed and we have a good field ready, I say we give it a try, but hate to break it, but I think we would last for 3 years.

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If we had an MLS team I would go to zero games.

NFL and NHL are the only leagues that matter to me.
To each their own. I think the NFL is overhyped garbage.

I never used to like soccer but going to a couple of MLS games and being involved with WSA Winnipeg has really opened my eyes. I think we have enough of a immigrant presence in Winnipeg that comes from soccer countries (most popular sport in the world) that we have a real start of a fan base.

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That team isn't really a pro team per se. They don't get paid. The younger players would lose eligibility for American scholarships if they were paid so they are just given a living allowance when on the road I believe.

As for the Alliance, the "league" they were in for their first season never really formed. It was all local players with the exception of one pro they brought in. The second season they kind of played various teams but not really in a league format. They brought on Troy Westwood at one point in the second season (for those who don't know Westwood briefly played for the Fury back in the day). I thinkt they played one more year and now the team is on hold (their website hasn't been updated in over a year). My brother was on the team for the first two season so don't know much of what happened after that.


As for the MLS, considering the Montreal Impact are struggling at the gate (outside of their record setting game against the galaxy) I don't see Winnipeg getting an MLS team anytime in the near future.

More realistically would be an NASL team which is second tier North American soccer. Edmonton has a team with Ottawa joining in a few years. Even that is a stretch I think.

What could change all that would be the bid for Canada to host the world cup in 2022. The MLS was formed as part of the US bid in 1994. If Canada is serious about landing the tournament, true nationwide domestic soccer would have to be implemented I think.
I think hosting the Women's World Cup in '15 will help.

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In what population range is Winnipeg one of the fastest growing? In 1996 Winnipeg had roughly the same census population as Edmonton. Now Edmonton is 148,000 ahead. Even Quebec City is growing faster...

From Wikipedia:

Here's Winnipeg since 1981:

Year Pop. ±%
1981 564,373 +0.6%
1986 592,551 +5.0%
1991 616,790 +4.1%
1996 618,477 +0.3%
2001 619,544 +0.2%
2006 633,451 +2.2%
2011 663,617 +4.8%

Here's Calgary since 1981:

1981 592,743 +26.1%
1986 636,107 +7.3%
1991 710,795 +11.7%
1996 768,082 +8.1%
2001 878,866 +14.4%
2006 988,193 +12.4%
2011 1,096,833 +11.0%

Here's Edmonton:

1981 532,246 +15.4%
1986 573,982 +7.8%
1991 616,741 +7.4%
1996 616,306 −0.1%
2001 666,104 +8.1%
2006 730,372 +9.6%
2011 812,201 +11.2%

Ottawa:

1981 295,163
1986 300,763 +1.9%
1991 313,987 +4.4%
1996 323,340 +3.0%
2001 774,072*
2006 812,129 +4.9%
2011 883,391 +8.8%

* Amalgamation

Quebec City:

1981 434,980 +1.2%
1986 440,598 +1.3%
1991 461,894 +4.8%
1996 473,569 +2.5%
2001 476,330 +0.6%
2006 491,142 +3.1%
2011 516,622 +5.2%

Saskatoon:

1981 154,210 +22.0%
1991 186,058 +20.7%
1996 193,653 +4.1%
2001 196,811 +1.6%
2006 202,340 +2.8%
2011 222,189 +9.8%

Metro Vancouver:

1981 1,169,831 +13.8%
1991 1,602,590 +37.0%
1996 1,831,665 +14.3%
2001 1,986,965 +8.5%
2006 2,116,581 +6.5%
2011 2,313,328 +9.3%


Winnipeg trails every city in the 2001-2011 period.
Talk to Roccerfeller, he had the stats, and I have no time to hunt them down.
Anyways, they are there and prove that the whole "stagnant" mentality is wrong.

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Soccer's been "The fastest growing sport in North America" for the last 20 years. It's still pretty shoddy compared to the big four.

I can't see Winnipeg getting an MLS team anytime soon.

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