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01-13-2005, 10:11 AM
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Dave Andrews proves he doesn't have the leadership or gut to take Bettman's job

5 game suspension for an act that was almost identical except for the injury outcome as the Bertuzzi incident is laughable. Add the light suspensions that opposing coaches got for an early season bench clearing brawl in which the coaches participated proves to me that Dave Andrews doesn't have the leadership or the guts necessary to take over Bettman's. His name has been mentioned as a possible replacement on more than one occasion and he may be a good man but would be no match for the owners or Bob Goodenow IMO.

Rocky Thompson approached Ling from behind and fortunately his punch only caught him in the side of the neck area and never fell on top of him like Bertuzzi did. The act was almost identical to Bertuzzi's and IMO he deserved to be suspended for the remainder of this year for his cowardly act. The fact Ling was not severely injured is irrelevent.

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01-13-2005, 10:14 AM
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geez, this thing got way too much play in the media. if this game wasn't on national TV, nobody would know anything about it.

it wasn't a big deal.

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01-13-2005, 10:30 AM
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Give it a rest. I agree with Frankie re the exposure on national tv. And how can anyone who saw both incidents comapre the two. Not even close.

Bertuzzi Thompson
Threats against Moore by Canucks for 2 weeks --- Reflex action going after Ling
Clean hit by Moore on Naslund earlier caused it --- Low blow by Ling on Thompson
Bertuzzi sneaks up from behind on an --- Rocky reacts to hit immediately
unspecting player two weeks later
Bert punches him in head from behind --- Rocky pokes him in the side
of the head.

Ling would know Rocky was coming. Moore had no clue. And anyone comparing the two incidents needs to get a clue.

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01-13-2005, 10:33 AM
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What are you talking about?

I was not addressing a possible suspension, neither was the poster above me.
read the first post...

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What are the chances he will be charged by the police? What the chances he will recieve a season ending suspension?
That was the first post that was responded too... which included talk about suspension.

And I took the response referring to both, as I assume the suspension handed down reflects the same thng a sentence would... the incident, and the result.

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01-13-2005, 10:37 AM
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So shooting a gun at someone's head and missing should come under

a) attempted murder
or
b) no harm done so its just disturbing the peace


Shooting a gun at someone's head results in

a) murder
or
b) attempted murder

The action is shooting the gun, the result is either killing him (murder) or not killing him (attempted murder).

Shooting at a guys head and missing is not the action... shooting at someone is... hitting them or missing them, injuring or killing them, is the result.

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01-13-2005, 12:18 PM
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who has a link from the thompson hit on ling

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01-13-2005, 03:00 PM
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read the first post...



That was the first post that was responded too... which included talk about suspension.

And I took the response referring to both, as I assume the suspension handed down reflects the same thng a sentence would... the incident, and the result.
I can do without the rolleyes, especially when it is clearly you who didn't follow the point.

I was responding to this:

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If I pull a gun and shoot at you, the penalty will reflect whether you are killed or not.

That is how the law works.
My statement was simply that the damages ought not determine if criminal charges are pressed.

Unless you care to dispute that statement in relation to criminal charges, stop responding and rolling eyes at me.

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my statement was simply that the damages ought not determine if criminal charges are pressed.

Unless you care to dispute that statement in relation to criminal charges, stop responding and rolling eyes at me.
Disagree 100%. The End Result is ALWAYS factored in.

A Drunk guy drives into a telephone pole will be charged with Drunk Driving. A Drunk guy drives into a guy walking his kid on a side walk, he will be charged with drunk driving and Vehicular assault. If one of the people dies, hes charged with Vehicular homicide or manslaughter.

I punch a guy and break his nose. I probably spend a night in jail and he sues me for his medical bills. I punch a guy and kill him, I goto jail and never see light again when im charged with Murder.

The Outcome ALWAYS weighs in on the charge.

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You're right, the action does have to be punished... but the punishment has to fit the crime. You don't get punished based on the action you performed, but the end result of that action.
Your statement is false. Hatcher got 2 games (yet to be lost) for elbowing Lombardi in the head during the 2nd round of the playoffs.

The action... Elbow to the head.

The result... Calgary losing one of their better players, possibly losing the Stanley Cup because Lombardi wasn't around. I believe he is still having post concussion symptoms and this is now eight months later. Who knows if he will ever play again...

Basically the NHL should suspend players based on the action or result and always decide that same way. Bertuzzi got hung out to dry for his one punch but Hatcher hasn't even missed a game for his incident.

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5 game suspension for an act that was almost identical except for the injury outcome as the Bertuzzi incident is laughable. Add the light suspensions that opposing coaches got for an early season bench clearing brawl in which the coaches participated proves to me that Dave Andrews doesn't have the leadership or the guts necessary to take over Bettman's. His name has been mentioned as a possible replacement on more than one occasion and he may be a good man but would be no match for the owners or Bob Goodenow IMO.

Rocky Thompson approached Ling from behind and fortunately his punch only caught him in the side of the neck area and never fell on top of him like Bertuzzi did. The act was almost identical to Bertuzzi's and IMO he deserved to be suspended for the remainder of this year for his cowardly act. The fact Ling was not severely injured is irrelevent.

Are you kidding me? This isn't anything like the Moore/Bertuzzi incident. Get real, please..

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01-13-2005, 04:51 PM
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Disagree 100%. The End Result is ALWAYS factored in.

A Drunk guy drives into a telephone pole will be charged with Drunk Driving. A Drunk guy drives into a guy walking his kid on a side walk, he will be charged with drunk driving and Vehicular assault. If one of the people dies, hes charged with Vehicular homicide or manslaughter.

I punch a guy and break his nose. I probably spend a night in jail and he sues me for his medical bills. I punch a guy and kill him, I goto jail and never see light again when im charged with Murder.

The Outcome ALWAYS weighs in on the charge.
In all of your examples the law was involved, that is my point and I have no idea how you 100 are 100% disagreing.

Commit a criminal act, subject to charges. The damages determine what charge, what penalty, not whether you can be charged.

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who has a link from the thompson hit on ling
anyone??

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http://www.hockeyfights.com/videos/

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I can do without the rolleyes, especially when it is clearly you who didn't follow the point.

I was responding to this:

My statement was simply that the damages ought not determine if criminal charges are pressed.

Unless you care to dispute that statement in relation to criminal charges, stop responding and rolling eyes at me.
And it's pretty obvious you aren't following the point either. I don't think anyone has said Thompson doesn't deserve to be punished... the question is the severity.

Which is essentially what you just said.

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01-14-2005, 11:29 AM
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Your statement is false. Hatcher got 2 games (yet to be lost) for elbowing Lombardi in the head during the 2nd round of the playoffs.

The action... Elbow to the head.
No, my statement is not false. Try taking the differences in the 2 events in context (explained lower).

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The result... Calgary losing one of their better players, possibly losing the Stanley Cup because Lombardi wasn't around.
That's a little extreme...

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I believe he is still having post concussion symptoms and this is now eight months later. Who knows if he will ever play again...

Basically the NHL should suspend players based on the action or result and always decide that same way. Bertuzzi got hung out to dry for his one punch but Hatcher hasn't even missed a game for his incident.
The difference being Hatcher did it in the middle of the play, during the course of the game, as part of the game. He didn't wallpaper Lombardi after the whistle, or at the end of the game, or whatever.

It's the incident, combined with the result. If Lombardi hadn't of gotten hurt, Hatcher probably wouldn't have gotten suspended.

If Moore hadn't of gotten hurt as badly, Bertuzzi wouldn't have gotten as many games.

While there is differences in punishments for end results, there is also differences in punishments for the act.

Manslaughter and first degree murder are different offenses, and have different punishments... even though the end result is the same.

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01-14-2005, 11:48 AM
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Who was the chicken in the St John's net?
I just watched the fights and the last one Tyler Moss joins in an grabs a player, I expected a Leaf goalie to even the numbers up.

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Who was the chicken in the St John's net?
I just watched the fights and the last one Tyler Moss joins in an grabs a player, I expected a Leaf goalie to even the numbers up.
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Simple... the penalty will reflect the injury, not the action. He may still get a suspension, but it won't be lengthy... nor should it be.

the penalty should refelct the action and the possibilty of serious injury.

The only way to stop or prevent such stupid incidents is to punish severly the act, reguardless of the consequences.

Just becuase 'he got lucky' and there were no serious injurie does not mean you wait until there is a serious injury to punish an action.

(and oh ya, if Ling did go low into the knee, he should get the same penalty)

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01-14-2005, 05:59 PM
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And it's pretty obvious you aren't following the point either. I don't think anyone has said Thompson doesn't deserve to be punished... the question is the severity.

Which is essentially what you just said.

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the penalty should refelct the action and the possibilty of serious injury.

The only way to stop or prevent such stupid incidents is to punish severly the act, reguardless of the consequences.

Just becuase 'he got lucky' and there were no serious injurie does not mean you wait until there is a serious injury to punish an action.

(and oh ya, if Ling did go low into the knee, he should get the same penalty)
Agreed.

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01-15-2005, 03:31 PM
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This stupid incident is getting blown way out of proportion. If you watch the incident in slow motion Rocky's punch hit Ling in the neck. Not in the head, not in the face. I lost respect for Ling after he was complaining about "headaches" once Sportsnet blew this thing up and tried to compare it to the Bertuzzi incident. That was the reasoning behind Rocky getting suspended. If Sportsnet didn't say a word, nobody else would've either. Why? Because there was no injury.

Ling and the Leafs just played thing one out as much as they could so Rocky wound up getting suspended. Ling was the one that went at Rocky first trying to take his knee out. I don't blame Rocky one bit for trying to defend himself.

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Rocky pokes him in the side of the head.
:lol Rocky's got one hell of a swing in his poke. I for one saw the incident, and agree that yes, it was nowhere near as bad as the Bertuzzi incident because of various different reasons that I really don't want to go into, but the bottom line is that everyone was calling for murder on Bertuzzi, saying he should be jailed, suspended forever, etc, etc and now Thompson who goes and does the exact same thing, without the leadup and the injury and he gets off with 5 games, and people are saying it was a poke in the head.

I'm not quite understanding it.

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All this thread proves is that people are homers and very forgiving of their own team while totally unforgiving of anything done by a player on a rival team,

If Parrot had done the same thing to Stoll we all know that dawgbone, streethawk and company would be screaming from the roof top for a huge suspension and criminal charges. It s not the incident that is shaping responses it your bias.

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All this thread proves is that people are homers and very forgiving of their own team while totally unforgiving of anything done by a player on a rival team,

If Parrot had done the same thing to Stoll we all know that dawgbone, streethawk and company would be screaming from the roof top for a huge suspension and criminal charges. It s not the incident that is shaping responses it your bias.
Yep, and thats why the responses are so incoherent.

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