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07-21-2012, 12:36 AM
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Toronto Maple Leafs 2012 draft review

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...2-draft-review

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The Toronto Maple Leafs went into the 2012 NHL Draft with six selections, including the fifth overall. While General Manager Brian Burke did little to surprise with his selections, there was some big news at the conclusion of the draft.
i would love to know how John-Eric Iannicello knew that Brian Burke was going to select 2 defensemen with the 5th and 35th pick. "little surprise"?

i am happy for our first pick, but surprised is an understatement. there were 10 centers drafted in the first round and 9 centers selected after Galchenyuk was drafted from Montreal. in the 2nd round there were 8 centers drafted after Finn. come on! "little surprise"? don't we have a 1C hole to fill?

did all of you have toronto drafting 2 Defensemen in the first two rounds?

what?

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Well he said he picks bpa. So I'm not surprised he did that, but I am surprised that after Reilly he didn't trade and take a center man

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I appreciate the analysis, especially after the 2nd.

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Well he said he picks bpa. So I'm not surprised he did that, but I am surprised that after Reilly he didn't trade and take a center man
guess he thought highly of Finn and no C's in his vicinity where close to his rating.

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Cut him some slack.... Burke did draft a C .. when he drafted luke schenn that is!

He replaces Luke schenn with Morgan Rielly, who has a marginally better upside and he gets a player who was drafted as Center in J.V.R a #2 pick out of #5 pick so he doesn't have to draft a marginally less player in respect to upside who is a C in this years draft..... in my opinion its genius...

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He had Finn 2nd overall on his draft list, so there's no surprise there.

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He had Finn 2nd overall on his draft list, so there's no surprise there.
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Let's see your draft rankings, ForSpareParts.

I'd wager that you have no idea what you're talking about regarding prospects, seeing as you have simply stated that he should have drafted a Centre without providing any examples.

It's pretty clear to most unbiased fans that Finn was ranked as a first rounder, and thus when he fell it was the smart move to draft him in the second.. Him being a Leafs fan and a well spoken, character guy probably made this a no brainer for Burke.

Who should have been taken instead?

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Let's see your draft rankings, ForSpareParts.

I'd wager that you have no idea what you're talking about regarding prospects, seeing as you have simply stated that he should have drafted a Centre without providing any examples.

It's pretty clear to most unbiased fans that Finn was ranked as a first rounder, and thus when he fell it was the smart move to draft him in the second.. Him being a Leafs fan and a well spoken, character guy probably made this a no brainer for Burke.

Who should have been taken instead?
This. It's about taking bpa, not based on need. If it were the latter, Edmonton would've taken Murray ahead of Yakupov.

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Cut him some slack.... Burke did draft a C .. when he drafted luke schenn that is!

He replaces Luke schenn with Morgan Rielly, who has a marginally better upside and he gets a player who was drafted as Center in J.V.R a #2 pick out of #5 pick so he doesn't have to draft a marginally less player in respect to upside who is a C in this years draft..... in my opinion its genius...

Was JVR drafted as a center? I've heard he played some center, but I don't think he was drafted as one...seems like a similar player to Filip Forsberg

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospec...s_vanriemsdyk/

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i would love to know how John-Eric Iannicello knew that Brian Burke was going to select 2 defensemen with the 5th and 35th pick. "little surprise"?

i am happy for our first pick, but surprised is an understatement. there were 10 centers drafted in the first round and 9 centers selected after Galchenyuk was drafted from Montreal. in the 2nd round there were 8 centers drafted after Finn. come on! "little surprise"? don't we have a 1C hole to fill?

did all of you have toronto drafting 2 Defensemen in the first two rounds?

what?
Wow I never realized 10 centers were taken in the first round, that's alot considering only 1 in the top 10

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Let's see your draft rankings, ForSpareParts.

I'd wager that you have no idea what you're talking about regarding prospects, seeing as you have simply stated that he should have drafted a Centre without providing any examples.

It's pretty clear to most unbiased fans that Finn was ranked as a first rounder, and thus when he fell it was the smart move to draft him in the second.. Him being a Leafs fan and a well spoken, character guy probably made this a no brainer for Burke.

Who should have been taken instead?
there's such a immaturity along with blood lust around here that i wouldn't dare submit a list. no matter who i mention i will have 80 replies of people ripping on my choices.

that's not my point. this HF article is fine. i just think that the wording of the introduction should be different. better yet state something like: "While General Manager Brian Burke did little to surprise with his selections being that he always chooses the best player available."

even that could be debated. was kadri the best available in the 2009 @ #7, or were they drafting from a positional need? they did need top 6 talent then, but it seems there were other players better than Kadri drafted after the 7th pick.

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there's such a immaturity along with blood lust around here that i wouldn't dare submit a list. no matter who i mention i will have 80 replies of people ripping on my choices.

that's not my point. this HF article is fine. i just think that the wording of the introduction should be different. better yet state something like: "While General Manager Brian Burke did little to surprise with his selections being that he always chooses the best player available."

even that could be debated. was kadri the best available in the 2009 @ #7, or were they drafting from a positional need? they did need top 6 talent then, but it seems there were other players better than Kadri drafted after the 7th pick.
Hindsight.

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that's not my point. this HF article is fine. i just think that the wording of the introduction should be different. better yet state something like: "While General Manager Brian Burke did little to surprise with his selections being that he always chooses the best player available."
Fair enough, I must have missed your point. I didn't know your post was only concerned with the wording. The word surprise is kind of redundant in a draft analysis anyways.. Nobody should be surprised due to the unpredictability of the beast.

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even that could be debated. was kadri the best available in the 2009 @ #7, or were they drafting from a positional need? they did need top 6 talent then, but it seems there were other players better than Kadri drafted after the 7th pick.
Kadri was who they thought to be the best player. Feel free to play with hindsight though.

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Fair enough, I must have missed your point. I didn't know your post was only concerned with the wording. The word surprise is kind of redundant in a draft analysis anyways.. Nobody should be surprised due to the unpredictability of the beast.


Kadri was who they thought to be the best player. Feel free to play with hindsight though.
did you expect them to draft 2 defensemen with their first 2 picks? if there were a bpa yeah then i get it. 1 is not that surprising, but to do it twice when a center is needed?

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there's such a immaturity along with blood lust around here that i wouldn't dare submit a list. no matter who i mention i will have 80 replies of people ripping on my choices.

that's not my point. this HF article is fine. i just think that the wording of the introduction should be different. better yet state something like: "While General Manager Brian Burke did little to surprise with his selections being that he always chooses the best player available."

even that could be debated. was kadri the best available in the 2009 @ #7, or were they drafting from a positional need? they did need top 6 talent then, but it seems there were other players better than Kadri drafted after the 7th pick.
Thank god you made a new thread about your concerns with the article's introduction.

Anything else you want to share with us? How about your grocery shopping list, or what you plan to watch on TV tonight?

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did you expect them to draft 2 defensemen with their first 2 picks? if there were a bpa yeah then i get it. 1 is not that surprising, but to do it twice when a center is needed?
I tend to avoid creating expectations for things I know very little about (aka. prospects and their projections).

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Thank god you made a new thread about your concerns with the article's introduction.
lol seriously.

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Thank god you made a new thread about your concerns with the article's introduction.

Anything else you want to share with us? How about your grocery shopping list, or what you plan to watch on TV tonight?
Anything leafs related is usually discussed in this forum.

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i would love to know how John-Eric Iannicello knew that Brian Burke was going to select 2 defensemen with the 5th and 35th pick. "little surprise"?

i am happy for our first pick, but surprised is an understatement. there were 10 centers drafted in the first round and 9 centers selected after Galchenyuk was drafted from Montreal. in the 2nd round there were 8 centers drafted after Finn. come on! "little surprise"? don't we have a 1C hole to fill?

did all of you have toronto drafting 2 Defensemen in the first two rounds?

what?
What are you talking about? Finn was ranked as high as 13th on some scouting reports, and the lowest i've seen was 26th.

Reilly could very well be the most offensive dman in this draft.

Outside of Gally there isn't a C in this draft that is better than what we already have in Colborne (jury is still out on Grigs)


The leafs had a fantastic draft (on paper)

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i would love to know how John-Eric Iannicello knew that Brian Burke was going to select 2 defensemen with the 5th and 35th pick. "little surprise"?

i am happy for our first pick, but surprised is an understatement. there were 10 centers drafted in the first round and 9 centers selected after Galchenyuk was drafted from Montreal. in the 2nd round there were 8 centers drafted after Finn. come on! "little surprise"? don't we have a 1C hole to fill?

did all of you have toronto drafting 2 Defensemen in the first two rounds?

what?
It's little surprise given he has concentrated a lot on building D. He's got the pipeline stocked to the hilt. He's thinking long term.

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#1 pick, AMAZING
#2 pick, AMAZING

The top two picks for the leafs this year were in my opinion #1-2 OVERALL + top 10 OVERALL in Finn. We got two high end first rounders this year for nothing and JVR for Schenn, a guy that wasnt working out very well. Burke has had an absolutely phenominal summer thus far.

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#1 pick, AMAZING
#2 pick, AMAZING

The top two picks for the leafs this year were in my opinion #1-2 OVERALL + top 10 OVERALL in Finn. We got two high end first rounders this year for nothing and JVR for Schenn, a guy that wasnt working out very well. Burke has had an absolutely phenominal summer thus far.
agreed. i never excepted finn to make it out of the first round. let alone fall out of the top 20.. and hes a Toronto boy and loves the leafs. Reilly's dad is a huge leaf fan... gotta love that!! amazing 1st and 2nd round selections followed by a steal of a trade, JVR health can put up at least 45pts, hopefully with a full healthy year and more ice time he can get 60-70pts and keep developing and we wish he will :p.

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Cut him some slack.... Burke did draft a C .. when he drafted luke schenn that is!

He replaces Luke schenn with Morgan Rielly, who has a marginally better upside and he gets a player who was drafted as Center in J.V.R a #2 pick out of #5 pick so he doesn't have to draft a marginally less player in respect to upside who is a C in this years draft..... in my opinion its genius...
Wow....now that is funny....That Rielly has marginally more upside than Schenn.....so you have not seen Rielly play then. Reilly is our Only blue chip prospect that we have Drafted in a long while. JVR was drafted as a Left Winger and not a center.

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