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07-23-2012, 08:42 PM
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they have the leafs ranked at 18th for prospects, 4 years and thats all burke can do?
are we overevaluating our prospects, just like burke is to make us feel good or is hockey future full of crapp.
5 years under burke , not making the playoffs in those years, top 10 picks in those years and we are ranked 18th

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1 florida panthers
2 minnesota wild
3 ottawa senators
4 edmonton oilers
5 anahiem ducks
6 chicago black hawks
7 n.y. islanders
8 st. louis blues
9 nashville predators
10 detroit red wings
11 n. y. rangers
12 los angeles kings
13 phoenix coyotes
14 buffalo Sabres
15 carolina hurricanes
16 boston bruins
17 tampa bay lighting
18 TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS
19 dallas stars
20 pittsburg penguins
21 montreal canadiens
22 new jersey devils
23 calgary flames
24 colorado avalanche
25 winnipeg jets
26 philadelphia flyers
27 washington capitals
28 vancouver canucks
29 columbus blue jackets
30 san jose sharks

we have teams above us that have been in the playoffs , teams that are contenders for the cup, teams that will make the playoffs this year.
maybe alot of us really dont know where our prospects are really ranked, we just here burke telling us and believe him. ex.( frattin another brown type player)
riemer is the real deal we dont need another goalie, we have top 6 prospects waiting to make the jump. winning the calder cup will make the leafs better. thats all burke.
hockey future has us at 18th after 5 years and more of no playoffs.

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07-23-2012, 08:48 PM
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You could post this in a thread instead of starting your own so people could skim through the post without responding to you.

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well for starters this year's draft isn't included in those rankings. Chances are we're actually higher than that now. Also, we lost Reimer, and Gardiner to graduation. They were among our top prospects at this time last year. Graduation is a good thing, it means that the players are making an impact on our team. I would rather have a prospect pool ranked 18th, with 2 graduations, than a prospect pool ranked 10th, with none of our prospects close to making an impact. The goal of prospects is to get as many into the NHL as possible, so if they're starting to do that and our rankings slip a bit, so be it!

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well for starters this year's draft isn't included in those rankings. Chances are we're actually higher than that now. Also, we lost Reimer, and Gardiner to graduation. They were among our top prospects at this time last year. Graduation is a good thing, it means that the players are making an impact on our team. I would rather have a prospect pool ranked 18th, with 2 graduations, than a prospect pool ranked 10th, with none of our prospects close to making an impact. The goal of prospects is to get as many into the NHL as possible, so if they're starting to do that and our rankings slip a bit, so be it!
so thats 2 prospects in 5 years?

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Burke was hired Nov. 2008. That makes about 3.5 years. Where are you getting five years from?

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so thats 2 prospects in 5 years?
If everyone says yes will you stop making threads

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so thats 2 prospects in 5 years?
I would say that, on average, it takes about 3 years for a prospect to develop and be ready for an NHL game. Some, obviously less and some more. With that in mind, we're right on schedule. Burke's 2009 picks are pretty well ready to start contending for roster spots. Kadri, D'Amigo and Blacker will all get looks in training camp to get a spot on our roster. Kadri will probably graduate next year, D'Amigo and Blacker more than likely within 2 years.

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If everyone says yes will you stop making threads
all negative posts to boot. calls himself a LEAF fan

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If everyone says yes will you stop making threads
its what hockey future ranks us, are they right or do we have top line players ready to make it in the nhl. or are they all C or D type players. i wanna believe but i cant , it seems what ever burke says about the player we all get excited, should we?

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so thats 2 prospects in 5 years?
ya...Calder cup finalists and their prospects all suck....your brutal

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all negative posts to boot. calls himself a LEAF fan
just writing what i hear from the hockey experts, cant believe burke anymore, he brought us on a rollercoaster for the past 4 years and i'm still get dizzy listening to him.

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This guy deserves his own thread to say stupid ****. First it was the Burke extension thread, then like 2-3 other crap threads, and now this gem of a thread.

But seriously, hockeysfuture isn't the best prospect rating site and those ranks also don't include the 2012 Draft. Many of our prospects are close to graduation, including Frattin, Kadri, etc. and many have already graduated (Reimer, Gardiner, etc.)

I wouldn't read much into the rankings of prospect bases. You can't rank prospect bases for Burke especially because he's only been in for almost 4 years. Players don't finish developing until they're 24-25 and hit their prime 2-3 years later.

So yeah, stop making threads.

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all negative posts to boot. calls himself a LEAF fan
I think he's a fan of interesting threads.

OP, You pop up this thread with some wild comments in the OP, based of a list that you provide no info on how it was even calculated,(who were the players used to determine these lists, etc) then disagree immediately with anyone who dares disagree. I don't know what your objective is here man. Do you like healthy discussions or not?

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its what hockey future ranks us, are they right or do we have top line players ready to make it in the nhl. or are they all C or D type players. i wanna believe but i cant , it seems what ever burke says about the player we all get excited, should we?
Hockey's Future, as good a prospect resource as it is, is not infallible. It cannot predict the future. Some players it has ranked highly will probably not reach that potential, and some who they think have bottom six potential may exceed expectations. An 18-20 year old, no matter how they project to be at the time is not much to either get excited about, or start despairing about their upside because we simply do not know. All we can do is be patient, let the prospects develop at their own rate and see what happens and where they go.

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I didn't read any of this thread, but people need to remember that HF is a site written by people like us. They aren't professional scouts.

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ya...Calder cup finalists and their prospects all suck....your brutal
i dont know what does it mean calder cup finalists? did the kings do that and win the cup, how about pittsburg, boston?
does it really mean anything to the nhl level?
we just added a 100 point guy in the ahl, cant play in the nhl.
just asking

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Hockey's Future, as good a prospect resource as it is, is not infallible. It cannot predict the future. Some players it has ranked highly will probably not reach that potential, and some who they think have bottom six potential may exceed expectations. An 18-20 year old, no matter how they project to be at the time is not much to either get excited about, or start despairing about their upside because we simply do not know. All we can do is be patient, let the prospects develop at their own rate and see what happens and where they go.
how did you make up your mind if our prospects are good or not?
me i have no idea, thought kadri was going to be a super star, now i think he may be a great ahler, some players are just not made for the nhl.

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i think its because we only have one really good prospect who has a chance to become something special in Rielly imo, kadri and colborne are top 6 players but not going to be a top line player.

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how did you make up your mind if our prospects are good or not?
me i have no idea, thought kadri was going to be a super star, now i think he may be a great ahler, some players are just not made for the nhl.
are u a girl by any chance? can u change your mind so fast.

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i think its because we only have one really good prospect who has a chance to become something special in Rielly imo, kadri and colborne are top 6 players but not going to be a top line player.
i hope thet are to, but cant see it happening,

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are u a girl by any chance? can u change your mind so fast.
since we were calder cup finalists ,shouldn't we be ranked higher?

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how did you make up your mind if our prospects are good or not?
me i have no idea, thought kadri was going to be a super star, now i think he may be a great ahler, some players are just not made for the nhl.
You're right, some players aren't made for the NHL. It is still far too early to tell whether Kadri is one of those players or not though. I don't claim to know what Kadri is going to be, but I'm enjoying watching him develop, trying to improve his game and do what it takes to make the NHL.

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You're right, some players aren't made for the NHL. It is still far too early to tell whether Kadri is one of those players or not though. I don't claim to know what Kadri is going to be, but I'm enjoying watching him develop, trying to improve his game and do what it takes to make the NHL.
but will burke give him a chance, a whole year of playing in the nhl and learning.
since this team wont make the playoffs anyway

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but will burke give him a chance, a whole year of playing in the nhl and learning.
since this team wont make the playoffs anyway
You're right; we suck. Now what?

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how did you make up your mind if our prospects are good or not?
me i have no idea, thought kadri was going to be a super star, now i think he may be a great ahler, some players are just not made for the nhl.
Maybe it's you? You seem extremely over-dramatic in general. Somewhere in the middle of those polar opposites lays the truth. If you temper expectations to start, you might not go off the deep end when it doesn't happen.

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