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07-20-2012, 02:18 PM
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Nashville-Philly Goalie swap

Nashville decideds to let Weber go and then goes full rebuild:

Nashville trades:
Rinne
Gaustad

Philly trades:
(*Brayden) Schenn
Couturier
Bryz

Philly adresses huge question mark, Nashville begins a rebuild with 2 great young centers, and 4 first round picks. Bryz might even find his game away from the bright lights.


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07-20-2012, 02:20 PM
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^ that up there is homer, before he slammed the phone down

Infact, Homer put on his bat cape, then his bat armour, then his bat helmet. Then he got in his batmobile, travelled across country, stopped for gas a couple of times, broke up a fight, drank some orange juice, then kept some in his mouth, then found poile at nashville.

He then shot the orange juice all over the place and laughed un-controllably before ***** slapping poile, then resting his nads on the table.

Or something like that

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Prepare to be flamed massively (and deservedly so) by Flyers fans. Can't imagine they'd trade either of those guys alone for Rinne, especially Couturier, let alone both.

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If the Weber deal goes thru, I do this if I am Holmgren. Rinne will give birth to Stanley Cups in Philly. Nashville won't be winning anyways, so might as well take the young studs and 4 picks.

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I don't think Philly does this. I think it would require a mass overpayment to acquire Schenn/Coutuier. Almost to the point at which they are untouchable.

edit to add: I am far from being a Philly fan

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If the Weber deal goes thru, I do this if I am Holmgren. Rinne will give birth to Stanley Cups in Philly. Nashville won't be winning anyways, so might as well take the young studs and 4 picks.
Rinne is as good as everyone thought bryzgalov was in Phoenix. Rinne playing for Philly last year would have likely had the same season bryzgalov had, they're close in talent, one benefits from a better defensive system. The other plays in a run and gun offense. Philly says no way here. For Nashville, it makes a hell of a lot of sense, they get two potential #1 centers and a goalie who would also thrive in their system.

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I don't think Philly does this. I think it would require a mass overpayment to acquire Schenn/Coutuier. Almost to the point at which they are untouchable.

edit to add: I am far from being a Philly fan
To be honest, I would do this if I was Philly. True, you do lose two excellent players, but you also get one of the best goaltenders in the entire league. Rinne is everything Holmgren thought Bryz would be and more.

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Rinne is as good as everyone thought bryzgalov was in Phoenix. Rinne playing for Philly last year would have likely had the same season bryzgalov had, they're close in talent, one benefits from a better defensive system. The other plays in a run and gun offense. Philly says no way here. For Nashville, it makes a hell of a lot of sense, they get two potential #1 centers and a goalie who would also thrive in their system.
No he wouldn't.

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I was looking at Bryz as tremendous negative value.

Nash agrreing to let Weber go and Rinne as an elite replacement to the most important position and Gaustad as a solid replacement for third line duty.

I got to think a trade like this makes Philly the top team in the league for the foreseeable future.

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No he wouldn't.
Based on what? Before coming to Philly bryzgalov was considered a borderline top 5 goalie. His stats were just as good as Rinnes

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Rinne is as good as everyone thought bryzgalov was in Phoenix. Rinne playing for Philly last year would have likely had the same season bryzgalov had, they're close in talent, one benefits from a better defensive system. The other plays in a run and gun offense. Philly says no way here. For Nashville, it makes a hell of a lot of sense, they get two potential #1 centers and a goalie who would also thrive in their system.
No, Rinne and Bryzgalov are not close in talent. Mike Smith and Brian Elliot posted amazing numbers but they are not close to Rinne in terms of talent.

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I was looking at Bryz as tremendous negative value.

Nash agrreing to let Weber go and Rinne as an elite replacement to the most important position and Gaustad as a solid replacement for third line duty.

I got to think a trade like this makes Philly the top team in the league for the foreseeable future.
No, you are clearly trying to fleece the flyers. It's laughable. The flyers are not trading Schenn or Couturier. I'm not sure how that is so difficult to understand.

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Based on what? Before coming to Philly bryzgalov was considered a borderline top 5 goalie. His stats were just as good as Rinnes
Watch Rinne play. The guy has a composure that can be downright frightening.

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What huge question mark? Do you mean the goalie who struggled to adjust to a new team and city, won NHL player of the month honors in March, suffered an injury that caused him to miss time and play poorly against PIT, and bounced back to be the team's best player in their loss to NJ?

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I was looking at Bryz as tremendous negative value.

Nash agrreing to let Weber go and Rinne as an elite replacement to the most important position and Gaustad as a solid replacement for third line duty.

I got to think a trade like this makes Philly the top team in the league for the foreseeable future.
It kills the middle for them...

Giroux
Briere
Schenn
Couturier

Vs

Giroux
Briere
Gaustad
No clue

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Based on what? Before coming to Philly bryzgalov was considered a borderline top 5 goalie. His stats were just as good as Rinnes
Did you watch Bryz in playoffs with Phoenix? He was terrible.

Rinne is a much better goalie and Tippet's system helps goalies a lot more than that of Barry Trotz.

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Watch Rinne play. The guy has a composure that can be downright frightening.
Yup, I agree. I said the same thing about bryzgalov in Phoenix though. If you believe Rinne would have had the same stats in Philly as he did in Nashville you're out to lunch.

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The Flyers can't surrender 4 1st round picks AND get rid of its 2 brightest, young, cheap talents unless the league is folding in the next 2-3 years. They're fine loading up now because of all the young talent on the roster that's cheap - they'd be way too top heavy with this.

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Did you watch Bryz in playoffs with Phoenix? He was terrible.

Rinne is a much better goalie and Tippet's system helps goalies a lot more than that of Barry Trotz.
You're only thinking that because of the emergence of Mike Smith, you really have no clue if that's true or not. Dan Ellis and Lindback both looked very stellar at times as well. In fact Ellis has great stats. Both teams have great defensive systems that benefit the goalie.

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Nashville decideds to let Weber go and then goes full rebuild:

Nashville trades:
Rinne
Gaustad

Philly trades:
Schenn
Couturier
Bryz

Philly adresses huge question mark, Nashville begins a rebuild with 2 great young centers, and 4 first round picks. Bryz might even find his game away from the bright lights.
The proposal is bad. Keep in mind though that Bryz has negative value, that offsets the assets going to Nashville.

Also, which Schenn are you talking about?

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It kills the middle for them...

Giroux
Briere
Schenn
Couturier

Vs

Giroux
Briere
Gaustad
No clue
Looks pretty good to me...

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The proposal is bad. Keep in mind though that Bryz has negative value, that offsets the assets going to Nashville.

Also, which Schenn are you talking about?
Sorry. Brayden.

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The difference between bryzgalov and rinne is not couturier + schenn.

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You're only thinking that because of the emergence of Mike Smith, you really have no clue if that's true or not. Dan Ellis and Lindback both looked very stellar at times as well. In fact Ellis has great stats. Both teams have great defensive systems that benefit the goalie.
No I'm not.

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The difference between bryzgalov and rinne is not couturier + schenn.
I kinda thought that Phlyers fans were worried about their goaltender (who is on a big long-term contract)keeping them from winning cups...

Also I kinda thought there was value in agreeing to losing weber

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