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07-23-2012, 12:37 AM
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Really? You really don't care about players playing defense? I'm In awe. Kessel is useless if for every one he gets he gives right back. There's far to much of that going on as is.
No, you don't watch Kessel play. If you did you would notice that he is the ONLY players who plays his position along the boards and chips the puck out when it comes to him!!

Phil Kessel never gets trapped in his own zone with the puck!! Only Leaf player to get it out!!! Strange but true!! People should watch more instead of critisize! Amazing that all the experts never ever see this.

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07-23-2012, 12:39 AM
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Crosby and Malikin on the Pens!!! 8+ MILL EACH...THEY WIN CUPS!
When they won the cup on 09, Crosby and Malkin were on entry level deals and had cap hits of roughly 3.8mil.
They haven't won anything with both having cap hits over 8 mil.

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Crosby and Malikin on the Pens!!! 8+ MILL EACH...THEY WIN CUPS!
And your point is ?

I really hope you're not suggesting PK is in thier class .

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Course not, Kessel is a winger, not a centre
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And your point is ?

I really hope you're not suggesting PK is in thier class .

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07-23-2012, 12:48 AM
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No, you don't watch Kessel play. If you did you would notice that he is the ONLY players who plays his position along the boards and chips the puck out when it comes to him!!

Phil Kessel never gets trapped in his own zone with the puck!! Only Leaf player to get it out!!! Strange but true!! People should watch more instead of critisize! Amazing that all the experts never ever see this.
No your right your the only one that actually watches leafs games around here. We all have no idea what we are talking about, but you.

I'm not saying Kessel IS useless, but he would be if he didnt ever play defense, like you are advocating. What's the point in scoring goals of you don't help prevent them as well. Kessel could certainly stand to put in some more effort in the prevention aspect.

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When they won the cup on 09, Crosby and Malkin were on entry level deals and had cap hits of roughly 3.8mil.
They haven't won anything with both having cap hits over 8 mil.
Crosby was on his new contract, 9 mil that year.

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07-23-2012, 01:01 AM
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Only read the last page, but I was gonna guess 7-ish, I gather the consensus is between 7 and 8. Sure, sounds right.

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Crosby was on his new contract, 9 mil that year.
Correct, I see that now. Cap hit pf 8.7 mil. But my points still stands. Having players with cap hits over 8 limits teams ability to add more quality pieces. Unless of course you already have those pieces on an ELC. The NHL is moving towards needing young cheap quality production for success.

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Correct, I see that now. Cap hit pf 8.7 mil. But my points still stands. Having players with cap hits over 8 limits teams ability to add more quality pieces. Unless of course you already have those pieces on an ELC. The NHL is moving towards needing young cheap quality production for success.
Wings in 08 had Datsyuk at 6.7 and Lindstrom at 7
Pens 09 Crosby at 8.7
Hawks 10 Campbell 7.15
Bruins 11 Chara 7.5
Kings 12 Kopitar 6.7 and Doughty 7

NHL success has required cheap-ish 1st and 2nd contract players since the lockout, but there's still room for 7-8 mil players. I know you're specifically saying over 8's, but ultimately a mil on the cap isn't huge really. If I gotta make that up paying my 4th line 333,333 less each, or for that matter carry one less guy in the press box, that's probably fine for a guy going at market at 8+


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07-23-2012, 03:17 AM
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When you see all these cap circumvention contracts, it really does make you wonder what will happen to Phil Kessel if he hits the open market AND the new CBA doesn't have any stipulations to deal with these types of contracts.

Fact of the matter is there will be a team willing to pay Phil a front loaded, incentives heavy contract with great term. Hard to see the Leafs, under Burke's current philosophy pertaining to such contracts, being able to hold onto him if he hits open market and those contracts aren't thrown out by the new CBA

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07-23-2012, 06:42 AM
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When you see all these cap circumvention contracts, it really does make you wonder what will happen to Phil Kessel if he hits the open market AND the new CBA doesn't have any stipulations to deal with these types of contracts.

Fact of the matter is there will be a team willing to pay Phil a front loaded, incentives heavy contract with great term. Hard to see the Leafs, under Burke's current philosophy pertaining to such contracts, being able to hold onto him if he hits open market and those contracts aren't thrown out by the new CBA
He won't get there. 8 years, 8 per.

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07-23-2012, 06:50 AM
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I think he'll make somewhere between 6.5 and 7m per season on his new contract, assuming he continues to produce at ~PPG.

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07-23-2012, 09:30 AM
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No, you don't watch Kessel play. If you did you would notice that he is the ONLY players who plays his position along the boards and chips the puck out when it comes to him!!

Phil Kessel never gets trapped in his own zone with the puck!! Only Leaf player to get it out!!! Strange but true!! People should watch more instead of critisize! Amazing that all the experts never ever see this.

You need to watch the games. Phil is the most frighten player in the league when he has the puck along the wall in any zone and he simply tosses the puck away and gives up possession when the threat of being hit arises.

He will go to free agency unless we pay him well over what he is worths as is his history.


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07-23-2012, 09:45 AM
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will be interesting to see what Eberle gets, Kessel should probably get a bit more then him and longer commitment


I think he's more of a 6 to 6.5 per year player but I'd guess that Kessel gets somewhere around 7 to 7.5 per year long term, something like Gaborik

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07-23-2012, 09:48 AM
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About 7.5/yr.

When can they begin discussing his new deal?

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07-23-2012, 10:08 AM
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If Kessel leaves and Sequin/Hamilton turn into excellent players as is likely. Hamiltion will have 7 years to UFA and Sequin 3 years to UFA. This will be the worst trade in Leaf history. Worse than the Parent, McDonald, Niedermayer, Luongo and Damphouse trades.

Minnesota has an excellent chance to sign Kessel. He is a Wisconsin boy who went to UM. I an guessing he goes to Minny.

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07-23-2012, 10:13 AM
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If Kessel leaves and Sequin/Hamilton turn into excellent players as is likely. Hamiltion will have 7 years to UFA and Sequin 3 years to UFA. This will be the worst trade in Leaf history. Worse than the Parent, McDonald, Niedermayer, Luongo and Damphouse trades.
What if Kessel stays and Seguin leaves?

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What if Kessel stays and Seguin leaves?
Sequin still has 5 years left to become UFA. If the leafs get him in 5 years and Kessel stays for 5 more years than the trade looks very good. Assuming Hamilton doesn't become another Shea Weber.


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07-23-2012, 10:18 AM
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Sequin still has 5 years left to become UFA. If the leafs get him in 5 years and Kessel stays for 5 more years than the trade looks very good. Assuming Hamilton doesn't become another Shea Weber.
Sounds like a lot could happen between then and now but as fans we should prepare ourselves for the worst possible scenario.

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Sounds like a lot could happen between then and now but as fans we should prepare ourselves for the worst possible scenario.
It's up to Phil. But Burke hates those long term contracts. And Kessel will definitely get one from another team. Burke can negotiate a contract a year from now. He has to make his best offer and if Kessel refuses than Burke has to make a trade before the 2013 draft as Pittsburgh did with Staal.

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Actually, I can see a Crosby-esque contract, where he makes $8.1 million a year, long-term, if he keeps steadily improving. He's only going to be 27 when his new contract starts, a 7-year $56.7 million contract takes him to 34-years-old, which means his next contract won't be 35+. We lock up an elite player for the entirety of his prime years in the NHL, and with the way the salary cap has been increasing, it could be a great contract for his value after only a couple of years.

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Sequin still has 5 years left to become UFA. If the leafs get him in 5 years and Kessel stays for 5 more years than the trade looks very good. Assuming Hamilton doesn't become another Shea Weber.
Maybe Philly offer sheets him as an RFA at the end of next season. Then what?

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You need to watch the games. Phil is the most frighten player in the league when he has the puck along the wall in any zone and he simply tosses the puck away and gives up possession when the threat of being hit arises.
That's a nice story. But it's simply not true. A player who is more productive every season wouldn't give up possession like you have just described. Maybe that's what you do when you're playing NHL 12, but in real life Kessel does nothing of the sort.

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Maybe Philly offer sheets him as an RFA at the end of next season. Then what?
You're assuming Nashville matches?

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You're assuming Nashville matches?
Not really. Was just using Philly as an example of what can happen to an RFA.

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