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07-23-2012, 11:02 AM
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Maybe Philly offer sheets him as an RFA at the end of next season. Then what?
Then it looks like this for Boston.

Boston uses 1 X former 1st round pick to draft Kessel.

Boston trades Kessel for 2 X 1st (Tyler Sequin & Dougie Hamilton) + 2nd (Jared Knight).

Boston loses Sequin to OS and gets 4 X 1st round picks as compensation.

Therefore Boston as a net return from Kessel = Hamilton (1st) + Knight (2nd) + 4 1st round compensation picks = 5 X 1st round picks + 2nd.

Our Leafs on the other hand (worst case scenario) watch Kessel walk away as a UFA and have no residual value from Kessel trade.

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07-23-2012, 11:12 AM
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Then it looks like this for Boston.

Boston uses 1 X former 1st round pick to draft Kessel.

Boston trades Kessel for 2 X 1st (Tyler Sequin & Dougie Hamilton) + 2nd (Jared Knight).

Boston loses Sequin to OS and gets 4 X 1st round picks as compensation.

Therefore Boston as a net return from Kessel = Hamilton (1st) + Knight (2nd) + 4 1st round compensation picks = 5 X 1st round picks + 2nd.

Our Leafs on the other hand (worst case scenario) watch Kessel walk away as a UFA and have no residual value from Kessel trade.
And then you woke up.

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07-23-2012, 11:14 AM
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Maybe Philly offer sheets him as an RFA at the end of next season. Then what?
They match. They have the cash. Philly won't go after a Bruin for that reason. Nashville is cash strapped. We know Burke won't offer sheet him.


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07-23-2012, 11:58 AM
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They match. They have the cash. Philly won't go after a Bruin for that reason. Nashville is cash strapped. We know Burke won't offer sheet him.
Yes, they probably match.

However, it does put a dent in the popular argument that one reason Seguin is so valuable is because the Bruins control his costs for eight (or so) years, whereas the Leafs only controlled Kessel's for five.

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07-23-2012, 12:19 PM
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It's a foregone conclusion that Kessel will walk after his contract is up, and Seguin will be with the Bruins for life.

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Yes, they probably match.

However, it does put a dent in the popular argument that one reason Seguin is so valuable is because the Bruins control his costs for eight (or so) years, whereas the Leafs only controlled Kessel's for five.
Not really, because firstly new CBA may make it harder for 2nd contracts. Secondly, Weber is a year away from UFA status. Which made it attractive to offer sheet him. Lastly. Bruins can always go to arbitration taking away a potential offer sheet. Nashville couldn't do it with Weber this year.

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07-23-2012, 12:34 PM
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It's a foregone conclusion that Kessel will walk after his contract is up, and Seguin will be with the Bruins for life.
To be fair, Mess did say "worst case scenario". If we finish bottom 5 for the next two seasons as well, I can easily see Kessel leaving.

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07-23-2012, 12:35 PM
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Kessel is a top 10 player in the game today. It's not out of the question that he will get north of 7 million per year on a long term deal.

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Then it looks like this for Boston.

Boston uses 1 X former 1st round pick to draft Kessel.

Boston trades Kessel for 2 X 1st (Tyler Sequin & Dougie Hamilton) + 2nd (Jared Knight).

Boston loses Sequin to OS and gets 4 X 1st round picks as compensation.

Therefore Boston as a net return from Kessel = Hamilton (1st) + Knight (2nd) + 4 1st round compensation picks = 5 X 1st round picks + 2nd.

Our Leafs on the other hand (worst case scenario) watch Kessel walk away as a UFA and have no residual value from Kessel trade.
Wouldn't 4 X 1st round picks be the compensation only if it's a Weber like contract (~7.5m/year)?
Are you saying it's a possibility that Seguin gets OS'ed to an amount as close as the league's best defenseman?

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07-23-2012, 12:42 PM
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To be fair, Mess did say "worst case scenario". If we finish bottom 5 for the next two seasons as well, I can easily see Kessel leaving.
That's two potential lottery picks, and Kessel could be easily persuaded to stay if the price is right.

Not every player jumps from a sinking ship.

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Not really, because firstly new CBA may make it harder for 2nd contracts.
Wasn't aware the details of the new CBA had been released (or even negotiated). What are the other impacts?

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NSecondly, Weber is a year away from UFA status. Which made it attractive to offer sheet him. .
Why is he more attractive than other RFA's because he is a year away from UFA status?

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Lastly. Bruins can always go to arbitration taking away a potential offer sheet.
Yes, they could buy themselves another year, but his salary would be in the hands of an arbitrator.

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That's two potential lottery picks, and Kessel could be easily persuaded to stay if the price is right.

Not every player jumps from a sinking ship.
But many does. That's why it's a possibility and it can happen.

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But many does. That's why it's a possibility and it can happen.
It's also a possibility that he won't. At this point, it's premtaure to say which outcome is more likely. But such is the nature of our fanbase, it's almost like many of us want the worst-case scenario to happen just so we can complain more.

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It's also a possibility that he won't. At this point, it's premtaure to say which outcome is more likely. But such is the nature of our fanbase, it's almost like many of us want the worst-case scenario to happen just so we can complain more.
We've been told all along by some that Kessel doesn't care about winning and is only out for money. As long as the money is there, why would he leave?

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07-23-2012, 01:06 PM
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We've been told all along by some that Kessel doesn't care about winning and is only out for money. As long as the money is there, why would he leave?
IMO, he could get just as much by testing the FA market. I'd like to think that if he re-signs with Toronto, then it's not just about the money for him.

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It's also a possibility that he won't. At this point, it's premtaure to say which outcome is more likely. But such is the nature of our fanbase, it's almost like many of us want the worst-case scenario to happen just so we can complain more.
Sure, i'm not disagreeing with that. At this point, we really can't say. My mind is not pre-determined that Kessel will leave and all evil shall fall upon us

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07-23-2012, 01:10 PM
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IMO, he could get just as much by testing the FA market. I'd like to think that if he re-signs with Toronto, then it's not just about the money for him.
I agree and don't expect him to leave.

Of course I don't know Phil as well as some here, so it's really just a guess.

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I agree and don't expect him to leave.

Of course I don't know Phil as well as some here, so it's really just a guess.
Everyone on here knows Phil.

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Agreed. The longer term deals is like buying in bulk. You get a better annual price. If Kessel simply continues what he has been doing he will get 50M for 5 years.
$10 million a year? Crosby money? Is THAT all. I was thinking we go for something like 5 years, $80m. Think that might peak Kessel's interest in signing?

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You can spin it how you like, But I remember Kessel only wanted to go to the Leafs..I followed it all along! And both Lucic and krejci were given more money that was offered to Kessel!!!! I remember being mind blown as to why they offered Kessel less than both those players as he was the Leading goal score for the B's!!
shows you who they valued more doesn't it? and they were proven right.

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shows you who they valued more doesn't it? and they were proven right.
Kessel should get paid $500,000 for every time he crosses the defensive zone blue line. On that scale, he's a $2-3 million dollar player, max.


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Kessel is a top 10 player in the game today. It's not out of the question that he will get north of 7 million per year on a long term deal.
no he is not

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Kessel is a top 10 player in the game today. It's not out of the question that he will get north of 7 million per year on a long term deal.
no he isn't

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We've been told all along by some that Kessel doesn't care about winning and is only out for money. As long as the money is there, why would he leave?
sounds about right

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If Kessel leaves and Sequin/Hamilton turn into excellent players as is likely. Hamiltion will have 7 years to UFA and Sequin 3 years to UFA. This will be the worst trade in Leaf history. Worse than the Parent, McDonald, Niedermayer, Luongo and Damphouse trades.

Minnesota has an excellent chance to sign Kessel. He is a Wisconsin boy who went to UM. I an guessing he goes to Minny.
Wilf Paiement was an excellent player(90 pts) and Fuhr did get us Andreychuk.If Kessel walks,Burke will have to flee Toronto,nevermind firing!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilf_Paiement


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Wasn't aware the details of the new CBA had been released (or even negotiated). What are the other impacts?



Why is he more attractive than other RFA's because he is a year away from UFA status?



Yes, they could buy themselves another year, but his salary would be in the hands of an arbitrator.
My point the CBA hasn't been negotiated but the offer is to limit second contracts. One year from UFA, you are closer to uFA status and have an extra year of evaluation. Arbitrator pick one or the other. it forces negotiation. Full UFA status that Kessel will have, has no restrictions.

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