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I prefer Larsson but this is a solid proposal. Not in the sense that any team would do it but this is a solid base, you gotta give to get and two top notch prospects are on the board here. The reality is, it's much better than the quantity for quality crap. This is as fair as it gets.
Landers had a great season. But to compare the two is just downright silly.
Couturier played with Rinaldo/Shelley and Z. He also played very little EV minutes. Nearly all of his time was on the PK. Oh and 0 PP time.
You can't compare them. This nonsense, it's like playground talk.
What are you talking about?
That's ALL HFBOARDS IS, is comparing value of players over another.
People do it ALL the time. If we were ONLY able to compare players that were exactly the same age, in exactly the same type of situation with exactly the same teammates, this forum would not exist.
It's funny because it's seems 'OK' to compare older guys like Giroux to guys like Duchene and saying that DUCHENE WILL NEVER REACH HIS LEVEL but when the comparison doesn't favor the flyers, you just can't do it.
That's ALL HFBOARDS IS, is comparing value of players over another.
People do it ALL the time. If we were ONLY able to compare players that were exactly the same age, in exactly the same type of situation with exactly the same teammates, this forum would not exist.
WHY are you INSERTING random CAPS into the PARAGRAPH.
Comparing players is fine, but it's just not possible between two rookies in their first year in the NHL, playing completely different roles. It's like comparing a goaltender to a centre.
WHY are you INSERTING random CAPS into the PARAGRAPH.
Comparing players is fine, but it's just not possible between two rookies in their first year in the NHL, playing completely different roles. It's like comparing a goaltender to a centre.
Lando wins the Calder in a season he started as an 18 year old, is the first player to have 20 goals AND 200 hits since Phaneuf did it in '05-'06 and yet if 'player X from MY team had gotten THAT opportunity, he would have done even better!'.
Gimme a break!
"He was the most NHL-ready" as if that's some sort of negative or it takes away from what he actually accomplished.
Maybe we can trade you Ryan O'Reilly for Zac Rinaldo...the value is probably 'fair'.
I'm a flyers fan. Love Couturier. But he is right. Couturier is a more impactful defender than Landeskog, but that's his only advantage right now. He may end up producing like Landeskog did offensively last year. But Landeskog already did it.
Landeskog won't be trying that, because he's better than a 4th liner. Just because your player played less minutes on the 4th line and did well does not mean he's going to be improving linearly based on TOI.
For the record, Landeskog started on our 3rd line. He and O'Reilly clicked and forced their way to getting top 6 minutes, eventually they were our top line when Winnik was put onto another line and they started using someone that can actually support a play offensively.
Landeskog had a better season offensively and he had as good a season defensively, so this nonsense that Couturier is better is a shame.
I doubt he would have been in the NHL had we selected him unless he had shown something on the wing. McClement would have had the 4th line center over him last year. So by the time Duchy played some wing/got injured, it wouldn't have made a difference since Cooter would have been in the CHL. Plus, he'd be clearly stuck behind 3 better centers for at least a couple years until we make a decision on Stastny. Whereas in Philly he can at least surplant Schenn and Briere is just fine at wing so he's got a better chance of getting 3rd line TOI.
Couturier is better than a 4th liner too. If Landeskog was a center on the flyers he'd be on the 4th line as well.
It's a little bit harder to move up as a rookie forward on a team who for the majority of the season was #1 offensively and finished #2 VS. #25. Especially when you're gifted defensively and offensively.
Oh I know that. I'm just wondering about the value
If you know it's not even remotely realistic, why make the proposal?
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I don't think Larsson has shown much at all. He was a healthy scratch for most of the playoffs and he wasn't all thy impressive when he did play.
His inexperience started to show once the games got tougher. His talent should not be in question. Once he has more time under his belt, he'll become a #1 defenceman.
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I see 0 reasons from a Flyers perspective why this trade makes sense.
It doesn't make any sense from a Devils perspective either. No knock against Couturier, who is and will be an excellent player, but we'd rather keep Larsson.
It doesn't make any sense from a Devils perspective either. No knock against Couturier, who is and will be an excellent player, but we'd rather keep Larsson.
No, I understand. I don't see why either team would do it.
I prefer Larsson but this is a solid proposal. Not in the sense that any team would do it but this is a solid base, you gotta give to get and two top notch prospects are on the board here. The reality is, it's much better than the quantity for quality crap. This is as fair as it gets.
I prefer Couturier but I agree with everything else 100%.
The value is there, the desire to do the trade is not.
You honestly believe Couturier>Landeskog as the other guy was trying to point out?
I don't think it is ridiculous to think he is more valuable. Landeskog finished with more points, but that was due to the difference in their roles.
Points per 60 minutes
Landeskog - 1.74
Couturier - 1.81
Couturier was every bit as good (slightly better) as Landeskog in even strength points per 60 minutes. He didn't have as many points because he wasn't used in an offensive role. Couturier could be just as good offensively while playing great defense.
These 2 teams probably will never trade together and even if they did Larsson's worth a bit more than Couterier.
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Exhibit A as to how hockey doesn't matter on ESPN:
Last night an ESPN program was discussing how the Detroit Pistons needed a hero citing the heroes on the Detroit Tigers, Detroit Lions and no mention of the Detroit Red Wings. All this despite the Red Wings probably being the most succesful team in Detroit right now.
Ehhh, Devils have a huge surplus of young D prospects. Merrill, Gelinas, Urbom, Burlon, Severson, Helgeson etc. etc. Up front, all we have is Stefan Matteau and Reid Boucher, who is a major project.
Of course none of those prospect have as much upside as Larsson
Italics have a 50/50 shot to make it up to Jersey in a full time rolle
Bold have a 10% chance.
Larsson is the real deal and trading him would be insanity.
If we're basing the value purely on last season, it's about fair.
If we're basing it on perceived potential, I think Philly would win that trade. I think a guy with number 1 Dman potential carriers more value than a guy with number 2 center potential (not to say he couldn't be a future number 1 on some teams, but not a true 1. Kinda like Jordan Staal or Zajac).
Reading the first lag of this thread it's amazing to me that everyone says Landeskog>Couterier. It's either close or what the teams need but if there were a draft, knowing what I know now I'd take Couterier over Landeskog.
Reading the first lag of this thread it's amazing to me that everyone says Landeskog>Couterier. It's either close or what the teams need but if there were a draft, knowing what I know now I'd take Couterier over Landeskog.
Lol... So your saying now you know Landy is a Calder winner, you would take Couturier over him? Nice logic
I'm not sure why a Devils fan would make this proposal.
The Devils haven't had a sniff at a bona-fide #1 D-man since Stevens/Nieds. Why even considering shipping that chance off for a #1b/#2 center?
Value-wise, I think the Flyers lose this trade (as in, Couterier > Larsson currently), but down the road I think Larsson will be a more valuable player to the Devils.
