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01-14-2013, 07:49 PM
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Just a few random thoughts...

I have a better sense for their complete careers, rather than just Pens, but seems like Boutette, Fonteyne, and Woytowich could have gone higher with some of the names taken.

Kunitz is a guy I'd really try to snag and put as the third piece of a top line. I think Pens fans underrate how valuable he is because he'll never be the best player on his line and goes into those goalless stretches which provide a lightning rod.

Rico Fata and Milan Kraft really? I'd scour pretty hard before settling for them, but then again it was the very end of the available draftees I'm sure.

When Greg Polis is a solid top sixer you know things are really thin. Team 4 seems a great example of how quickly the wings dry up. Rod Schutt and Battleship Kelly are tough sells on a top line, but at least they've got serious talent around him.

Burrows-Letang is a dream pairing in this format. Let them play 30 minutes a night and cheat towards drafting your forwards since there's two goalies worth picking high up. I'd easily take Letang over Ulfie and Stackhouse though so maybe I like him more than some of those GMs.

I like Watson-Woytowich over some of the second pairs honestly. Team 6 really had a rough go with the defensemen it seems. Coffey-Zalapski is not a match made in heaven.

I'm ok with the Moose for sentimental reasons, but I'd have looked hard at the 70s goalies before going with JSA. I'd definitely have taken Jim Rutherford before him who essentially had one good year.

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01-14-2013, 08:02 PM
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- Herron was a steal relative to the other goalies.

- What? Fata and Kraft got selected? What's next? Koltsov?

- I had honestly never heard or read the name Rod Schutt before.

- Murphy over Coffey... if we're just talking Pens years. IMO, anyway.

- Gotta disagree with BBS on Letang. He hasn't done for that organization what Samuelsson and Stackhouse did.... yet. I think the top-8 defensemen went in a really good order.

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01-14-2013, 08:15 PM
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- Herron was a steal relative to the other goalies.

- What? Fata and Kraft got selected? What's next? Koltsov?

- I had honestly never heard or read the name Rod Schutt before.

- Murphy over Coffey... if we're just talking Pens years. IMO, anyway.

- Gotta disagree with BBS on Letang. He hasn't done for that organization what Samuelsson and Stackhouse did.... yet. I think the top-8 defensemen went in a really good order.
I think Samuelsson has particular value in this draft in that he's a true #1 because of his defense. Most of the Pens best defensemen were puckmovers an some with questionable defense.

Here's how I tried to rank the Pens all-time D about a month ago
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1. Paul Coffey - 331GP, 108-332-440PTS
All Star-Team Voting: 2 ('89), 3 ('90), 5 ('91), 8 ('92)
Norris Trophy Voting: 2 ('89), 4 ('90), 5 ('91)

2. Larry Murphy - 336GP, 78-223-301PTS
AST:3 ('93), 4 ('95), 5 ('92), 8 ('94),
Norris: 3 ('93), 4 ('95), 5 ('92), T7 ('94)

3. Randy Carlyle - 397GP, 66-257-323PTS
Captain: '81-'84
AST: 2 ('81), T12 ('79), 12 ('82)
Norris: 1 ('81), 13 ('82)

4. Dave Burrows - 573GP, 24-108-132PTS 301PIM
Norris: 7 ('76), 8 ('73), 8 ('74), T13 ('75)
AST: 6 ('76), 8 ('74), T15 ('73), 1 vote in '72, '77
Hart Trophy Voting: 10 ('76), 1 vote in '75

5. Sergei Gonchar - 322GP, 54-205-259PTS
Norris: 4 ('08), 7 ('07), 14 ('10), 1 vote in '06
AST: 5 ('08), 7 ('07), 17 ('10)

6. Kris Letang - 350GP, 39-132-171PTS
Norris: 6 ('11), 9 ('12)
AST: 6 ('11), 9 ('12)
Hart: 1 vote in '11

7. Ron Stackhouse - 621GP, 66-277-343PTS
Norris: 9 ('79), 13 ('80), T13 ('75),
AST: T12 ('79), T12 ('76), T14 ('75)
Hart: 1 vote in '79

8. Ulf Samuelsson - 277GP, 11-83-94PTS 804PIM
Norris: T10 ('93)
AST: 11 ('93)
I'm definitely really high on Letang, but it's because I think his all-around game and physicality were just better than Stackhouse's. He's so maligned by certain older fans and it probably wasn't fair, but no one thought he brought a physical game. It's certainly an emphasis on peak over longevity to make that argument though.

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01-15-2013, 03:36 AM
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- Herron was a steal relative to the other goalies.

- What? Fata and Kraft got selected? What's next? Koltsov?

- I had honestly never heard or read the name Rod Schutt before.

- Murphy over Coffey... if we're just talking Pens years. IMO, anyway.

- Gotta disagree with BBS on Letang. He hasn't done for that organization what Samuelsson and Stackhouse did.... yet. I think the top-8 defensemen went in a really good order.
I would have picked Samuelsson over Straka when I already had Coffey and Bullard.

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01-15-2013, 09:50 AM
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Talking about the competitive advantage of having a top pick in the ATD, you can say having the n1 pick in an All-Time Penguins draft gives you an edge that no team can really close if you make decent selections.

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01-15-2013, 11:01 AM
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Talking about the competitive advantage of having a top pick in the ATD, you can say having the n1 pick in an All-Time Penguins draft gives you an edge that no team can really close if you make decent selections.
Agreed. Except for the O6 teams, the talent is too thin. From the some things never change dept:

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Former NHL tough guy Donald Brashear was suspended six games by the minor-pro Ligue Nord-Americaine de Hockey on Monday for a nasty attack from behind during a game last week. Video of the incident showed Brashear punching opponent Gaby Roch in the back of the head from behind, touching off a bench-clearing brawl between his Riviere-du-Loup 3L and the visiting Jonquiere Marquis. The league, which translates as North American Hockey League but is not related to a circuit of that name based in the United States, is known for highlighting fights. ...
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01-15-2013, 11:02 AM
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Yeah , while I respect the effort , a penguins ATD is pointless because any competant GM would win with the top pick.

and the only way you could have some semblance of competitive balance is if it was a 4 teams draft

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01-16-2013, 05:38 PM
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Sean O'Donnell of the AAA drafts in 2011 and 2012 has officially retired from the NHL.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413658

Here is the bio I did when he debuted on this sub-board in the 2010 Double-A Draft (seventieslord applauded the pick and TDMM had good words as well for the off the board pick at the time; I often appreciated his game, hence was honoured to debut him):

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* Stanley Cup (2007)
* 1014 NHL games
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Since entering the NHL in 1995, Sean O'Donnell has used his 6'3", 225lbs. effectively as a stay-at-home defenceman.

The rugged blueliner was a solid addition to the Kings defence. He played a physical role on the team as it improved and made the playoffs in 1998. O'Donnell was a steady worker and physical presence through the 1999-00 season before he was claimed by the expansion Minnesota Wild. He scored 16 points and was team leader from the blueline as the first year club competed well most nights.

O'Donnell's solid year for the Wild made him a desirable commodity as contending teams re-tooled at the March trade deadline. He was acquired by the defending Stanley Cup champion New Jersey Devils on March 4, 2001 and immediately fit into Larry Robinson's system that combined quick puck movement and close checking. After only eight career playoff games, O'Donnell played 23 post-season contests for the Devils as they reached the finals before losing to the Colorado Avalanche. The experienced defender was signed by the Boston Bruins a month after the season ended to provide experience and a physical presence on the club as it tried to improve on its disappointing season in 2000-01.

In his first year with the Bruins, O'Donnell established a career high in assists with 22 and points with 25 and during the 2002-03 season surpassed the 600 games played plateau. The robuste defenseman went on to play three seasons with Boston before signing as a free-agent with the Phoenix Coyotes in the summer of 2004.

Following a lock-out year in 2004-05, O'Donnell went on to make his debut with the Coyotes during the 2005-06 season before having his rights acquired by the Anaheim Mighty Ducks at the 2006 NHL trading deadline. He appeared in 79 games in the 2006-07 season and all 21 postseason contests en route his first Stanley Cup championship.

O'Donnell spent a second straight season in Anaheim before the club opted to deal the former Minnesota Wild captain to the Los Angeles Kings.

On July 1, 2010, the big defender left the west coast, signing as an unrestricted free agent with the Philadelphia Flyers.
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01-16-2013, 05:45 PM
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Screw Sean O'Donnell. New Jersey wasted a young Willie Mitchell to rent O'Donnell for the 2001 playoffs and he completely sucked. Then the jackass decided to play excellent hockey in the 2007 playoffs to help the Niedermayer bros win that stupid Cup.

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01-16-2013, 07:23 PM
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Sean O'Donnell of the AAA drafts in 2011 and 2012 has officially retired from the NHL.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413658

Here is the bio I did when he debuted on this sub-board in the 2010 Double-A Draft (seventieslord applauded the pick and TDMM had good words as well for the off the board pick at the time; I often appreciated his game, hence was honoured to debut him):


http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...l#post29327442
he looks like john leclair on that pic

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01-16-2013, 09:20 PM
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he looks like john leclair on that pic
Well, yeah. They are both Irish...

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01-16-2013, 09:28 PM
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My player to watch this season is the 5' 10" 176 lbs Swiss Scoring Champ Damien Brunner who will be skating on the Datsyuk/Zetterberg line. He may find that his small body on the smaller NHL rink may not get scoring chances as easily.

Devils GM TDMM rewarded Travis Zajak for his 2 regular season goals with an 8 year $46 million contract. I can't second guess No Sleep Till Brooklyn, because he rocks this party 8 days a week!


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I'm very happy with the Zajac contract. IMO, he showed that he was finally fully healed in the playoffs, where he was the 3rd best forward on the team, scoring 14 points while shutting down Claude Giroux and Brad Richards along the way.

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01-16-2013, 09:41 PM
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speaking of john leclair , can't remember exactly but I think it was NHL 1999 or 1997 on PC where ALL the players had the same face , and that face was definitely John LeClair's

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That bloody game nearly game me a heart attack...but it's on to the superbowl for the 49ers. ****. Yes.

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My player to watch this season is the 5' 10" 176 lbs Swiss Scoring Champ Damien Brunner who will be skating on the Datsyuk/Zetterberg line. He may find that his small body on the smaller NHL rink may not get scoring chances as easily.

Devils GM TDMM rewarded Travis Zajak for his 2 regular season goals with an 8 year $46 million contract. I can't second guess No Sleep Till Brooklyn, because he rocks this party 8 days a week!

His debut were dreadful. One of the worst players out there. Only thing he can do is find open ice and skate fast. For now...

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I've always had a soft spot for the 49ers after the 6 year old version of me totally got on the Joe Montana bandwagon at family Super Bowl parties

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That bloody game nearly game me a heart attack...but it's on to the superbowl for the 49ers. ****. Yes.
Didn't have a horse in that race, but it was a great game to watch! I hope the second game today is just as exciting.

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Whatever gives the NFC the best chance to beat one of the two evils on the other side, one being far more despicable than the other, as far as I'm concerned. Go Niners, though I had no strong feelings for you one way or the other before today...

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01-20-2013, 05:30 PM
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Just want to note here that Erik Karlsson played over 3 minutes shorthanded yesterday, and was easily the team's best defender in that role. Simply because he's so quick that he disrupts the opposing power play from getting set up, and his lack of size.doesn't come into play.

You don't have to support him for the Norris or anything (I don't mean to replay the Karlsson threads of last year), but do yourself a favour and watch this kid. In a cookie-cutter league, he's one of a kind.

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Just want to note here that Erik Karlsson played over 3 minutes shorthanded yesterday, and was easily the team's best defender in that role. Simply because he's so quick that he disrupts the opposing power play from getting set up, and his lack of size.doesn't come into play.

You don't have to support him for the Norris or anything (I don't mean to replay the Karlsson threads of last year), but do yourself a favour and watch this kid. In a cookie-cutter league, he's one of a kind.
Yeah yeah sure.. 30 years from now he'll be getting slagged just like any other "offensive" defenseman around here.

Seriously though: I hope he can keep it up and have success.

If more defensemen get the green light again the game will be a lot more entertaining.

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Yeah yeah sure.. 30 years from now he'll be getting slagged just like any other "offensive" defenseman around here.

Seriously though: I hope he can keep it up and have success.

If more defensemen get the green light again the game will be a lot more entertaining.
30 years from now when someone says that there is arguments for him over Bourque, Rhiessan will come in and say that Karlsson only could play PP.

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30 years from now when someone says that there is arguments for him over Bourque, Rhiessan will come in and say that Karlsson only could play PP.
30 years from now, people will remember the 35 year old Karlsson who was a sad shadow of his former self, and really only could play the PP.

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01-20-2013, 05:48 PM
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I've always had a soft spot for the 49ers after the 6 year old version of me totally got on the Joe Montana bandwagon at family Super Bowl parties
exactly the same here.I just love that team and their colors.

Patriots - 49ers would be a great superbowl.

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30 years from now, people will remember the 35 year old Karlsson who was a sad shadow of his former self, and really only could play the PP.
Could be. Right now so much of his game is based on his inhuman quickness on skates. No way he moves like that in 15 years, carrying another 20 pounds.

Anyway, as someone who has been down on a certain historically prominent offensive d-man, it's interesting for me to be watching and cheering for Karlsson now. He does have a few weaknesses, but the total package is so valuable. And this year he should be a major part of the Ottawa PK, answering a question from last season.

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