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08-30-2012, 12:16 PM
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Thats because most players who stayed in QHL are impossible for ATD GMs to value since they didnt play in the NHL.
That's not true; it should be easier to dominate that league, and if anyone did for an extended period they would be worthy of some consideration. But even Herb Carnegie was just an above average QSHL player, and the best always ended up leaving.

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I didnt say he was crappy I said it was a weak argument. Yashins wage were 4th in the league at one point and while I do like him as a player he was a headcase of the ice and not valueable to a team at all.
Of course Yashin was valuable to a team.

It's the same principle though. He wasn't 4th best just because he was 4th highest paid, but it reflected that he was valued at that level, for at least a time.

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It's dunny because Blues signed him to an offersheet because of his Kings play but they made a huge overpayment but Kings matched it and HAD to trade him away because he was too expensive.

Remember Im not commenting on that crappy players get good contracts but that some players gets overpayed and McSorley is definitly one of these players. His contract doesnt reflect his skill as a player.
Same thing, I'm not saying he was ever 16th best in the NHL or close to it, but players can only be overpaid to a certain degree. Where there's smoke there's fire. he was valued.

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The fact is Marty isnt pulling away from Orlando and Jimmy were a stay-at-home defenseman. When Marty scored 40 points guys like Brad Shaw, Bob Beers, Weinrich and Michel Petit did it and I wouldnt exactly brag about their offensive skills, would you?
Bob Beers was a PP specialist. Weinrich was pretty good offensively, Petit a little less so. I don't know why we would compare them to average players though. McSorley topped 40% of the #2 scorer five times, Orlando did it once. McSorley topped 28% 8 times, Orlando did it once. And six of those times it was in 57-70 games (1995 lockout year adjusted), so he was better offensively per-game than his raw totals indicated.

Obviously the gap is greater than 10%. Just comparing 4 best seasons to 4 best, and ignoring that Marty had several other decent years, his total percentage score is 66% higher. (184-111)

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08-30-2012, 01:06 PM
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Power is finally back on.
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Nothing like Typhoon Maemi I experienced back in '03.

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08-30-2012, 01:20 PM
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Power is finally back on.
Had my first shower in days too.
Only 18 people died in this country from this typhoon.
Nothing like Typhoon Maemi I experienced back in '03.
good to have you back.

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08-30-2012, 01:32 PM
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Just looking at the 1949 QSHL, here are the ATD/MLD/AAA/AA caliber players: Herb Carnegie, Larry Zeidel, Leo Lamoreux. that is all. No, it's not a good league.
Picking the weakest year - 1949 when the league expanded to include the NY Rovers and Boston Olympics does not make your point.

1947 Montreal Royals:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...007371947.html

1951-52 season, without US teams, featured Jean Beliveau, Jacques Plante, Dickie Moore plus others who went on to solid NHL careers. Once the league became a pro league - QHL, the quality dropped mainly because the economy in the towns started to lag.

Hard to think of a semi-pro league with three players of that caliber at one time.

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08-30-2012, 01:36 PM
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Picking the weakest year - 1949 when the league expanded to include the NY Rovers and Boston Olympics does not make your point.

1947 Montreal Royals:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...007371947.html

1951-52 season, without US teams, featured Jean Beliveau, Jacques Plante, Dickie Moore plus others who went on to solid NHL careers. Once the league became a pro league - QHL, the quality dropped mainly because the economy in the towns started to lag.

Hard to think of a semi-pro league with three players of that caliber at one time.
I picked 1949 only because it was the middle of Orlando's QSHL career.

if 5% of the players in a league turn out to be good, that doesn't make it a good league.

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08-30-2012, 10:33 PM
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look forward, not backwards!
i look thru

whats your point

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08-30-2012, 10:34 PM
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If there is a lockout why don't we throw in another ATD this year and invite all the oldies surely some will come back!

What do you think!
anyone?

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08-30-2012, 11:27 PM
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anyone?
Join the AAA Draft this fall. There will be a Double-A and Single-A Draft too if the usual suspects and/or others gets us to the threshhold number of GMs.

The History Board also has a HOH Project Top-40 Goalies worthy of participating in.

And ATD 2013 will start in January most likely, which is only four months away!

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08-31-2012, 12:12 AM
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Join the AAA Draft this fall. There will be a Double-A and Single-A Draft too if the usual suspects and/or others gets us to the threshhold number of GMs.

The History Board also has a HOH Project Top-40 Goalies worthy of participating in.

And ATD 2013 will start in January most likely, which is only four months away!
Yes. Be patient, and if you must draft, then join the AAA (I would like to see that - LL has never joined a sub-ATD draft before)

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09-01-2012, 12:00 AM
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Yes. Be patient, and if you must draft, then join the AAA (I would like to see that - LL has never joined a sub-ATD draft before)
No time here for that as I am the primary care giver to my 2 boyd who are 3 yra old and 9 months old

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09-01-2012, 04:14 AM
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No time here for that as I am the primary care giver to my 2 boyd who are 3 yra old and 9 months old
Guess you won't be able to join the atd either, for the same reason.

Good luck with the single parenting though, seriously.

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09-01-2012, 08:45 AM
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I'm calling it right now. One of Fehr or Bettman will have to lose his job before the NHL can start operations again.

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Friday was my birthday (first live NHL game I attended Fall 66 Bruins at Hawks) and now that it's Labor Day I'm finally going to admit I'm worried about a lockout. If there is a season my prediction for regular season Conference Champs are the Penguins (with or w/o Crosby) and the Blues. Since most of you guys are Leafs fans here is the only important part of my post and I do watch her tv show:

"Elisha Cuthbert and Dion Phaneuf. It's a match made in heaven ... or, actually, Canada. Toronto Maple Leafs captain Dion Phaneuf popped the question over the weekend to his longtime girlfriend, Calgary-born actress Elisha Cuthbert – and she said yes, a source confirms to PEOPLE. The actress currently stars as Alex Kerkovich on ABC's Happy Endings, and is also known for having played Kim Bauer on Fox's 24."



"Lockout looming after NHL talks break off (Yahoo! Sports) "- 3 days ago" NHL labor negotiations are at a standstill after talks broke off on Friday, significantly raising concerns the league is two weeks away from its fourth labor dispute in 20 years.

Oilers sign Jordan Eberle to 6-year extension (Yahoo! Sports) "- 4 days ago" EDMONTON, Alberta (AP) -- The Edmonton Oilers signed forward Jordan Eberle to a six-year, $36 million contract extension Thursday.

Turris gets 5-year extension (Yahoo! Sports) "- 5 days ago" OTTAWA (AP) -- The Ottawa Senators have signed forward Kyle Turris to a 17.5-million, five-year contract extension.

Glendale again extends arena management deal (Yahoo! Sports) "- 1 week ago" PHOENIX (AP) -- The Glendale City Council has directed staff to extend its arena management agreement with the NHL for another month.

Oilers, Hall agree to 7-year extension (Yahoo! Sports) "- 1 week ago" EDMONTON, Alberta (AP) -- Taylor Hall is in for the long haul in Edmonton."


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Sorry I forgot to ask this in the previous post. Are there any stats available on team playoff winning %s (I bet the Hawks are low ) and on number of penalties per game by decade. For example, were there more penalties per game in the 70s than the 2000s? Thank you very much in advance!

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09-06-2012, 12:48 AM
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Guess you won't be able to join the atd either, for the same reason.

Good luck with the single parenting though, seriously.
It is pretty easy for me - can do an atd less work lol

Hopefully by jan ill have a new
computer which will make surfing and referencing a whole lot easier

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Brian Burke - "We Didn't Take 5 Years To Rebuild Anaheim"

So who thinks he will have to eat his own words?

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Brian Burke - "We Didn't Take 5 Years To Rebuild Anaheim"

So who thinks he will have to eat his own words?
me...

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09-11-2012, 05:48 PM
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anybody else somewhat tired of all this off-rink bullsh*t? it takes away from my passion for hockey slowly but surely.Oh I'll be a hockey person forever , but the flame isn't burning as much as it used to.

The stars are getting killed on the ice by 3rd liners , overwhelming defensive coaching , financial bullsh*t that has nothing to do with the game.

I guess I'm too much of a purist to appreciate this era.

This is turning into a WWF freak show , all talk.

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anybody else somewhat tired of all this off-rink bullsh*t? it takes away from my passion for hockey slowly but surely.Oh I'll be a hockey person forever , but the flame isn't burning as much as it used to. The stars are getting killed on the ice by 3rd liners , overwhelming defensive coaching , financial bullsh*t that has nothing to do with the game. I guess I'm too much of a purist to appreciate this era. This is turning into a WWF freak show , all talk.
Agreed. Bettman is so weak a manager that unless Americans have the former Versus/current NBC Sports Channel they can't even watch all of the Stanley Cup. Great way to promote your sport. Hockey is just not that popular SW of Illinois in the US so both the owners and players are killing a very delicate cashcow. A lockout at the same time the Lakers add Dwight Howard and Steve Nash! Suicidal. The sport was better before the dump the puck era, but puck possession teams have made it better.

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09-14-2012, 11:38 AM
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I found it interesting that 6 great HHoF players were cut.

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More Things You Didn't Know About 1987 Canada Cup

From Chris Iorfida from CBC: Here's some tidbits you may have forgotten about the 1987 Canada Cup, gleaned from contemporaneous reports in the Toronto Star and Globe and Mail:

•The likes of Doug Crossman and James Patrick were the beneficaries after injuries to Paul Reinhart, Kevin Lowe and Doug Wilson put them out of the defence mix. Larry Robinson, meanwhile, was committed to a polo tournament (That's not a joke).
•The first group of cuts included Hall of Famers Steve Yzerman, Al MacInnis and Dino Ciccarelli, as well as Kirk Muller, Tony Tanti and Doug Lidster. Fellow Hall of Famers Scott Stevens, Patrick Roy and Cam Neely were later cleaved, and if was just based on training camp, most writers thought Wendel Clark deserved a spot.

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Agreed. Bettman is so weak a manager that unless Americans have the former Versus/current NBC Sports Channel they can't even watch all of the Stanley Cup. Great way to promote your sport. Hockey is just not that popular SW of Illinois in the US so both the owners and players are killing a very delicate cashcow. A lockout at the same time the Lakers add Dwight Howard and Steve Nash! Suicidal. The sport was better before the dump the puck era, but puck possession teams have made it better.
I don't like the guy but he has done a great job for his bosses.

Revenue is hugely higher than it had been and he broke the back of the union to get a cap instituted.

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wow, now that you mention it, I've never once thought about why Robinson was not on that Canada Cup squad.

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a polo tournament? wtf

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As the NHL lockout continues and the sports biggest stars sign with foreign teams, one of the league’s marquee names has made it known he may not be back anytime soon, according to tweets from Russian hockey reporter Pavel Lysenkov. "I am ready to play the whole season in Russia", – said Alex Ovechkin in exlusive interview to Sovsport.— Pavel Lysenkov (@plysenkov) September 17, 2012 Ovechkin means that he is ready for the lockout to take up a full season. And he will spend it in Russia.— Pavel Lysenkov (@plysenkov) September 17, 2012

The lockout of NHL players began yesterday and little progress has been made since then, according to multiple reports. The lack of a functioning league has led many players to sign professional contracts with European clubs, just as many NBA players in that league’s lockout that carried into the first quarter of the season.

However, none of those players have the star status or the influence of Ovechnkin, a five-time All-Star and two-time MVP of the NHL.
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09-18-2012, 10:38 AM
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Haha! woot woot! i got a letter published in THN! I think it is my second ever, although the first was a very long time ago and I can't even remember what it was about. this one says:

"Really, THN? Nine of the 50 best players in the NHL are defensemen, four are goalies, and 37 are forwards? That is extremely disproportionate. But I guess it's a symptom of all this high-scoring NHL hockey we've been watching the last few years, right? Oh, wait..."

I'm happy they published it because it is a very good point. The list should have more proportionality than this. And if it is to be disproportionate, it should, if anything, reflect that defense and goaltending currently rule the day. It's just a cop out of sorts, as it's easier to rank forwards based on their production, and it's an extension of the voting phenomena that often results in three forwards being the hart nominees, when there's no reason an elite defenseman or goalie should be said to have less impact than an elite forward.

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