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04-08-2015, 10:02 AM
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Central Scouting Final Ranking (2015)

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Crouse ahead of Marner.

There are no words.

Marner could have scored 200 points this year in the OHL and I bet Crouse would have been ranked ahead of him too.

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Kylington down to 6th among international skaters (Carlsson and Larsson ranked ahead of him).
Kovacs rises to 8th. Eriksson Ek goes from 22nd to 4th.

Werenski goes from 6th to 9th, while Provorov goes from 10th to 7th.


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I hope the Habs draft Dennis Yan. Would be hilarious.

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Who is Austin Wagner and why is he ranked 35th in NA? 39 points in 61 games this year for Regina.

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Anyone have information on Korostelev? I remember some talking about him like he might be a mid first earlier in the year, but he's currently ranked at 50. I haven't kept up with these lists too much, so I don't know if he's technically "falling" on the list, but I remember more than one person thought he'd be great.

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Who is Austin Wagner and why is he ranked 35th in NA? 39 points in 61 games this year for Regina.
Regina Pat. Big, fast, raw. I thought he'd be a 2nd rounder, but that's pretty high.

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Andersson at 93. Up for Max Kaminsky Trophy. Makes sense.

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Kylington down to 6th among international skaters (Carlsson and Larsson ranked ahead of him).
Kovacs rises to 8th. Eriksson Ek goes from 22nd to 4th.

Werenski goes from 6th to 9th, while Provorov goes from 10th to 7th.
The international list looks absolutely horrible, it's like someone just pushed the random button. The Carlssons ahead of Kylington is beyond ridiculous...last year they had Kapanen ahead of Nylander which was so wrong as well.

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I hope the Habs draft Dennis Yan. Would be hilarious.
Why would it be hilarious?

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Why would it be hilarious?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yann_Danis

I'm assuming.

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Jordan Greenway all the way down at 47. Strange, he's generally projected as late 1st/early 2nd pick.

Bracco at 60 too? Didn't he set some kind of record (or at least came close) this year?

Spencer in the 60s looks pretty low too.

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I have a question (and prospects and their rankings are not my forte when it comes to hockey).

Is there any reason CSS didn't just do a compile ranking on top of the individual (North America/International)? I've never paid too much attention to these lists, but I'm just curious.

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Noah Juulsen's stock has risen dramatically. Top 25 finish.

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Button had Dergachyov at 96. This has him at 17 international. Should be a no brainer anywhere after the 2nd round.

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What scouts see in Crouse I'll never know. He shouldn't be ranked this high.

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too much defenseman in the top 100, under 200 lbs in weight, good luck with keeping that small weight trying to transition into the pro's...some are 167 lbs soaking wet. lol, if these defenseman stay that weight expect them to get man handled at the pro leagues

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too much defenseman in the top 100, under 200 lbs in weight, good luck with keeping that small weight trying to transition into the pro's...some are 167 lbs soaking wet. lol, if these defenseman stay that weight expect them to get man handled at the pro leagues
I can't speak for players doing whatever it takes to reach ideal pro weight, and who are able to spend almost all their time eating and training, but I've gained 40lbs since my draft year, and am not in bad shape...

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Crouse ahead of marner lol

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yep, glad the whl defenseman have it right, check out most of there d-men, good weight, no wonder why this league keeps pumping out good quality defenseman

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I can't speak for players doing whatever it takes to reach ideal pro weight, and who are able to spend almost all their time eating and training, but I've gained 40lbs since my draft year, and am not in bad shape...
yeah, the transition will likely be tougher with that

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My WHL opinion....

- Provorov @ 7th seems a bit low, since we are not factoring in International players as well. For me a draft placement around 7th to 10th is perfect, but I still think he will go at 6th or 7th, which should rank him around 4th to 6th for NA Skaters.

- Barzal @ 11th, seems perfect.

- Harkins @ 15th is still too high for me. I think 19th to 25th is a better range.

- DeBrusk @ 19th is perfect.

- Noah Juulsen definitely got a big rise and deservedly so. Surprised and not to see him over Carlo. He's been better of the two in playoffs, excluding team talent.

- Merkley all the way down to 23rd and above Juulsen is a complete crime. This kid can dish out talent for talent with Barzal easily, not saying he is better, but closer than CSS thinks IMO.

- Pilon at 24th will probably turn out to be a top 10 2nd rounder for CSS, sorry, but no way in hell should he be a player to go between 30th to 40th. I am still a fan of him and I think a middle of a pack 2nd round selection is good, but they clearly are overrating his talent level IMO.

- Makes sense why Carlo has dropped, they probably have the same opinion like me that he's looking more like a shutdown than a two-way top 6 defenseman.

- Surprised Bittner didn't get ranked higher (since the form he has been in), they have him like Pilon, as a high 2nd rounder. I cannot see him dropping that far, I think a team will really like him to get him in the late teens to twenties.

- Wagner keeps continuing to climb. I don't think he has a HUGE talent level to be considered a top 60 player, but still a lot to like here. More of a 3rd rounder to me currently.

- Wotherspoon at 43rd isn't bad, that probably makes him a early 3rd round selection.

- Do not like Nielsen at 52nd, that is too high in my book. Even from NHL CSS motto of rankings for scouts to look at.

- Guhle at 52nd is good value, can't complain. Like him much more than Gawdin at 59th.

- Musil at 61st is definitely low. Maybe they question how high his talent level is, but how is Crouse a top 5 prospect then? Both players perhaps suffer from not a lot of talent, but both play a very pro game.

- Kolsesar at 65th is really high to me, maybe they saw him on a good day. Isn't a consistent or intensity bringing player to be a top 90 player IMO.

- Gropp at 71st is fair IMO.

- Haven't seen Hobbs enough to make a firm opinion on him.

- Gabrielle at 73rd is also a bit high, I think he should be more in the low 80s to 90s.

- Understandable why Soy is at 78th, but he fell a lot from CSS midterms (I think they had him in the 30s to 40s). His talent level is a top 60 player, but his overall game isn't a top 120 including International players IMO. He might be worth a gamble though.

- Reddekopp is much better than his ranking at 82nd, I think he is legitimate top 70 player. Always plays a consistent game who rarely gets beat one v one or around the defensive net.

- Nice to see Bear at 97th.

- CSS love their slightly above-average talent NHL size defenders in every draft ranking like they do with Strand and Zborovskiy (others like Hobbs and Nielsen).

- CSS has been on the Hunt bandwagon on every ranking in around the top 100-115 slot.

- Stephens is MUCH better than his ranking at 116th. WAY better player than Strand and Zborovskiy.

- Make sense why Karnaukhov is at 118th, some consistent and effort issues, but he is more worth a gamble and I highly think he will be drafted way before this IMO.

- No love for Morrison as well in 124th.

- Texeira over Estephan is not puzzling to me since I think Texeira is better than what his state line says, but both players are lower than what I think they should be. Estephan in particular with Pfeifer, Sideroff, and Gennaro all going above him. Don't agree with that.

- And Tate Olson @ 146th should be a criminal offence, this IMO has been the worst, he is looking like a serious contender to be a top 120 player, and even higher.

- Lastly, if there is a player who most deserves a ranking and has not even got one, it has to be Zak Zborosky. It's like the kid slept with the directors daughter or sued them in the past to get this type of treatment throughout the year. I don't consider him to be the best WHL player by any means, but he has played well enough to get a ranking. Hell, if Sideroff and Gennaro get one, he should IMO.

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Anyone have information on Korostelev? I remember some talking about him like he might be a mid first earlier in the year, but he's currently ranked at 50. I haven't kept up with these lists too much, so I don't know if he's technically "falling" on the list, but I remember more than one person thought he'd be great.
Battled through some injuries and wasn't as consistent as he was starting off the season when he came from them. I've had countless viewings of him and would still have him in my top 30. The best comparison I have for him is Tyler Toffoli 2.0. There were questions about these guys skating in junior, but there was never a question if they could score or not. Nikita is going to have a huge season next season book it!

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Nice summary S E P H.

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04-08-2015, 11:51 AM
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Crouse's development in the NHL will be interesting.

It seems like he embodies the last chance for those scouts holding on to the old-fashioned, traditional hockey mindset that values size and "toughness" over skill.

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