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07-22-2012, 06:14 PM
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Do we really want to tank the next 4 years hinging on the chance that Dansk might be good?? Sounds like poor logic. It's ok to have multiple good goalies, I know it's a foreign concept. So what if you have Dansk and Bernier?? Is that really an issue?
The problem isn't Bernier. I wouldn't mind having him, but I don't want to give up a first round pick to get him. The difference between Bernier and a slew of other potential backups is not a first round pick.

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The problem isn't Bernier. I wouldn't mind having him, but I don't want to give up a first round pick to get him. The difference between Bernier and a slew of other potential backups is not a first round pick.
Who from the "slew" do you want? What would it take to get him?

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...fixed it for you
In fairness to Mason, he did get on one helluva hot streak for about two months.

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Who from the "slew" do you want? What would it take to get him?
I would rather go for a proven NHL backup. Names that have been thrown around include Huet, Ellis, Johnson, or Auld. None of these are ideal, but they are cheaper.

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I would rather go for a proven NHL backup. Names that have been thrown around include Huet, Ellis, Johnson, or Auld. None of these are ideal, but they are cheaper.
You'll get no argument from me. Absent that, Bernier is among the best of young, unproven NHL backups.

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You'll get no argument from me. Absent that, Bernier is among the best of young, unproven NHL backups.
I always liked Lindback, but I have Bernier right behind him.

I don't really get why people said we over-payed for Sergei Bobrovsky. Do people really value a 2nd and two 4th round picks that highly?

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I always liked Lindback, but I have Bernier right behind him.

I don't really get why people said we over-payed for Sergei Bobrovsky. Do people really value a 2nd and two 4th round picks that highly?
You won't get the answer from me. I don't consider it an overpayment at all. The 2nd was worth something, but the odds of a 4th becoming a productive NHL player is pretty damn slim.

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I would prefer to give

Mason and a 2nd rounder or Mason and a prospect..

I think both Bernier & Mason need a change of scenary and I have always thought both of them would eventually be good #1's, but they won't do if for their existing clubs.

I would throw in a prospect, but I wouldn't trade either #1 pick in this deal.

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I'd rather have the #1 than Bernier. If it was assured he was going to be the starter for x years, then fine but it is far from assured. I say stick with Mase as the backup, hope he leads us to a top 2 or 3 pick, don't re-sign him and if Bob proves he is a 1 then sign a good backup in free agency. If Bob flops then we'll have a top 2 pick for sure and we can have this same discussion next year. The Goalie Dilemna, Part Deux.
I agree. Solid analogy actually ... we aren't in "win now" mode and people seem to forget that. Darren Dreger did an article (I believe it was Dregs, anyhow) about how teams with multiple first rounders have always set themselves up for success over the years. Heck, the last time we had two first rounders, we flipped one of them for RJ Umberger, who has been one of the team's most reliable forwards ever since he was acquired.

Next year is a very deep draft, and even if we don't wind up using the pick, we should be able to trade it for a very serviceable piece, as there will be a lot of teams looking to draft certain players - even in the late first round.

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I always liked Lindback, but I have Bernier right behind him.

I don't really get why people said we over-payed for Sergei Bobrovsky. Do people really value a 2nd and two 4th round picks that highly?
I think Bernier might have a higher ceiling than Lindback, but he just hasn't proven it like Lindback has yet. I really like Bernier, I just don't know that we want to have two goaltenders under-24 (although, as mentioned, we aren't in "win now" mode) ... I'd rather see Bobrovsky with a good veteran to show him how to win as a professional hockey player. Tim Thomas, Nicklas Backstrom etc

I agree that people are over-thinking the Bobrovsky trade though, particularly with our history of drafting from the 2nd round on. We won't miss those picks much, and I really think Bob could be a cornerstone for us down the road.

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Mason and a 2nd rounder or Mason and a prospect..

I think both Bernier & Mason need a change of scenary and I have always thought both of them would eventually be good #1's, but they won't do if for their existing clubs.

I would throw in a prospect, but I wouldn't trade either #1 pick in this deal.
Agreed.

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I cant see LA agreeing to a trade involving a 2nd plus having to take a liability such as Mason in the deal. That's like saying LA loses Bernier, has to take Mason in the deal, and all they will get is a 2nd round pick. Ain't gonna happen.

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I cant see LA agreeing to a trade involving a 2nd plus having to take a liability such as Mason in the deal. That's like saying LA loses Bernier, has to take Mason in the deal, and all they will get is a 2nd round pick. Ain't gonna happen.
A Kings fan on another thread had interest in Ted Ruth. Add him in?

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I cant see LA agreeing to a trade involving a 2nd plus having to take a liability such as Mason in the deal. That's like saying LA loses Bernier, has to take Mason in the deal, and all they will get is a 2nd round pick. Ain't gonna happen.
to do this of course they would have to agree that Mason has a great deal of value, from my stand point some of that comes from all the experience that he has had. I think in another org., with less pressure to be the man, Mase will develop.

Bernier has 41 NHL games,, all he has is potential but he is backup to a young Stanley Cup Goalie, he will never be the man for the Kings. I'm sure he wants his opportunity. He gets that and more from the CBJ.

Ruth & Mason and a 4th rounder

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I'd do Ruth, Mason, and a 3rd Rounder just to get Mason's contract out of here, and add two potential #1 goalies. One who has a chance to be a franchiser (Bernier) and another who could be a capable #1 (Bob)

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I'd do Ruth, Mason, and a 3rd Rounder just to get Mason's contract out of here, and add two potential #1 goalies. One who has a chance to be a franchiser (Bernier) and another who could be a capable #1 (Bob)
Here is big no from Kings point of view.

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If Bob flops then we'll have a top 2 pick for sure and we can have this same discussion next year. The Goalie Dilemna, Part Deux.
The Goalie Deuxlemna?

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Here is big no from Kings point of view.
Do explain. As a different LA fan was asking about Ruth.

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Here is big no from Kings point of view.
I figured. Well, I would bump it up to a second rounder. 2nd+Mason+Ruth is the most I would offer. Mason can be removed if need be.

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Do explain. As a different LA fan was asking about Ruth.
He was minority. Nobody else does.

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Bernier would likely want a shot at the #1

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He was minority. Nobody else does.
job for Columbus as it is the most unsettled in the NHL. With that said, we are interested in trade possibilities, and it would be nice to have guys that hoisted the cup on our team.

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He was minority. Nobody else does.
Well if Dansk or Korpisalo are in the deal im sure Howson will back away. (Not saying I agree or its not fair value, but we just drafted them so Howson is high on both of them.)

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Kings fan here coming in seething distrust!

If the Blue Jackets were to add to Mason then I, as a random Kings supporter wielding zero authority, wouldn't mind sending Bernier back to you.

Mason + stuff for Bernier seems like a good starting point.

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Do we really want to tank the next 4 years hinging on the chance that Dansk might be good?? Sounds like poor logic. It's ok to have multiple good goalies, I know it's a foreign concept. So what if you have Dansk and Bernier?? Is that really an issue?
Dansk and Korpisalo and York and Bobrovsky.

Honestly, people.


Remember what we paid for Bobrovsky? That's a reasonable price for a guy with NHL-level bonafides. Which is something Bernier doesn't have. If we go anything above the price we paid for Bob for Bernier, we are getting ripped off.

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Do we really want to tank the next 4 years hinging on the chance that Dansk might be good??
Good thing Howson seems to be following your approach and has expanded his options.

Bobrovsky, Dansk, Korpisalo, York, Mason, Forsberg, and Ouellete are all 23 or younger.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect at least one of them to turn into a decent NHLer starter.

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Good thing Howson seems to be following your approach and has expanded his options.

Bobrovsky, Dansk, Korpisalo, York, Mason, Forsberg, and Ouellete are all 23 or younger.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect at least one of them to turn into a decent NHLer starter.
Unless you think Ouellete will be the one

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