Who in their right mind would compare him to jayblow ?
Personally I don't believe he's a lst line center. Nor do I think he's captain material. but I like the guy, more than I care to share here. He is a very solid 2nd line center, incredibly durable, and awesome 2 way center.
His value to me is equal to his line members.
i dont know that i count as a regular but i think some would consider me a weiss hater. i actually dont hate him, i would just prefer bigger more physical centers in our top 6. i admit hes a very good #2 center and i grew to like him much more last year. but i wouldnt overpay to keep him. we have enough centers coming up the pipe that we could let him go if he tries to cash in next year. but if he will sign at a reasonable number, say 4.75 a year for 4-5 years then ill be ok with it. i do value his loyalty, but I dont value it enough to overpay because we already have some bad contracts that are eating up too much space. i just realized with huberdeau on the roster were at 57 million and assuming kulikov gets 3 million we will be at 60.
If Flash/Versteeg are worth ~4.5, I don't see why some would be greatly opposed to Weiss getting 5. The only thing I can think of is you want the team to get bigger up the middle and just want a change of direction, in general.
Good centers don't grow on trees. Weiss is currently the most valuable forward on the team. Without Weiss, Goc (who I like, but still) would be our #1 center.
I really hope Versteeg's problem last year had to do with injuries. Down the stretch, he did a whole lot of floating. Flash isn't much of a defensive forward either. Makes you (or, at least me) appreciate Weiss a little bit more for his two-way game.
It's his fault the team has asked him to be the top line center? Does he not play his ass off every shift? Is he not a solid two way player? Does he not bleed Panther colors?
People upset because he does the best at what is asked of him floors me. Laus did that and he's one of the most loved of all time. Granted he wasn't asked to be a top line player, but it's not Weiss' fault.
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I want to go on record saying that I follow hockey with my heart more than my brain. The fact that Versteeg really wants to be here in Florida makes him more of a beauty in my eyes. Love Weiss too, he pushes himself to play at a level that probably surpasses his ability/skill because he has to. That kind of hokey old-school sports stuff adds to my fan experience. Otherwise, I could just follow whoever is the favored team each season, or turn on my Xbox and make my own team with the best players.
Strange, the Rangers have 4 players making more than $6 million per season (Nash, Gaborik, Richards, & Lundqvist) and we are a little over $3 million behind them in payroll. Am I looking at it wrong?
We have a pretty expensive fourth liner and sixth d-men, also Campbell. It adds up pretty quickly.
Yes, you are thinking of Booth (who makes 4.25M). Weiss makes 3.1M.
Weiss makes $4.1 million this year his cap hit is $3.1 because of the way the deal is structured.
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Garrison more than likely took a paycut to play for Vancouver.
Dennis Shootout Specialist Wideman got 5.5 over 5 years.
He is a completely one dimensional player, who is only good in the offensive zone.
Garrison had flaws too, but, Garrison is a much better defenseman than Wideman.
So, IMO, that comparsion doesn't hold much water, not to mention to compare contracts between a center and a Defenseman isn't a good way to gauge value.
I'm all for locking up Weiss for life, just do not want to overpay a guy just because he wanted to stay here while the team fielded was subpar.
And thanks you made my point even better than I did in a world where Dennis shootout specialist Wideman gets 5.5 Weiss on the open market is going to get 5 easily.
To hell with that. No need to overpay as a salary strapped team.
It would be nice to retain Weiss, but, if he wants more $$ than he is worth because this was a **** team for the majority of his career, he can move on.
Overpaying for "loyalty" is not a smart move.
What's overpay with concerns to Weiss?
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Garrison more than likely took a paycut to play for Vancouver.
Dennis Shootout Specialist Wideman got 5.5 over 5 years.
He is a completely one dimensional player, who is only good in the offensive zone.
Garrison had flaws too, but, Garrison is a much better defenseman than Wideman.
So, IMO, that comparsion doesn't hold much water, not to mention to compare contracts between a center and a Defenseman isn't a good way to gauge value.
I'm all for locking up Weiss for life, just do not want to overpay a guy just because he wanted to stay here while the team fielded was subpar.
I'd rather lock him up for four years 5 Mil per season rather than this "lifetime acheivement" contract idea some here want him signed to end his career.
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If he got 5 mil I'd be ok with the little extra juice for his loyalty....
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If Flash/Versteeg are worth ~4.5, I don't see why some would be greatly opposed to Weiss getting 5. The only thing I can think of is you want the team to get bigger up the middle and just want a change of direction, in general.
Good centers don't grow on trees. Weiss is currently the most valuable forward on the team. Without Weiss, Goc (who I like, but still) would be our #1 center.
I really hope Versteeg's problem last year had to do with injuries. Down the stretch, he did a whole lot of floating. Flash isn't much of a defensive forward either. Makes you (or, at least me) appreciate Weiss a little bit more for his two-way game.
Weiss is the table setter, and identity of that 1st line...falls apart without him really.
I'm slightly concerned about Steeg's floating and 2nd half too.
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We have a pretty expensive fourth liner and sixth d-men, also Campbell. It adds up pretty quickly.
We need to be a four line team ALMOST EVERY NIGHT to be successful over span of a season. Oh, and payroll dictates that like you mentioned too which was not totally a bad thing.
i dont know that i count as a regular but i think some would consider me a weiss hater. i actually dont hate him, i would just prefer bigger more physical centers in our top 6. i admit hes a very good #2 center and i grew to like him much more last year. but i wouldnt overpay to keep him. we have enough centers coming up the pipe that we could let him go if he tries to cash in next year. but if he will sign at a reasonable number, say 4.75 a year for 4-5 years then ill be ok with it. i do value his loyalty, but I dont value it enough to overpay because we already have some bad contracts that are eating up too much space. i just realized with huberdeau on the roster were at 57 million and assuming kulikov gets 3 million we will be at 60.
Your not a hater. Your just a realist with your own visons of what a center should be.
If Flash/Versteeg are worth ~4.5, I don't see why some would be greatly opposed to Weiss getting 5. The only thing I can think of is you want the team to get bigger up the middle and just want a change of direction, in general.
Good centers don't grow on trees. Weiss is currently the most valuable forward on the team. Without Weiss, Goc (who I like, but still) would be our #1 center.
I really hope Versteeg's problem last year had to do with injuries. Down the stretch, he did a whole lot of floating. Flash isn't much of a defensive forward either. Makes you (or, at least me) appreciate Weiss a little bit more for his two-way game.
I dont think Weiss is the most valuable: i think any of those top 3 linesman are codependent and indispensable on this goal starved team.
And Weiss has his imperfections no less then the ones you attribute to flash and kris. for one example he has an uncanny ability to pass up good shot after good shot after good shot.
Again, if Weiss reups for a few hundred k more because of his loyalty, ill sleep well...
Strange, the Rangers have 4 players making more than $6 million per season (Nash, Gaborik, Richards, & Lundqvist) and we are a little over $3 million behind them in payroll. Am I looking at it wrong?
Anyway, what's promising is that I read Steeger played hurt the last two months (and playoffs) and says he's fixed now, just not skating yet. I remember all the comments here that he disappeared basically within that time frame. My point is a healthy Steeger should hopefully put up even better numbers this season.
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Del Zotto isn't signed...then again, Kulikov isn't either, so that will likely be a wash.
Well, maybe Versteeg is less mercenary than I thought. But I'm still hopeful he'll be trying to earn this contract and not float for the next three years.
Don't know why I'm pessimistic about him - maybe because he's never fulfilled the potential scouts saw in him. But anyway hopefully he'll be worth $4.4m each year.
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I dont think Weiss is the most valuable: i think any of those top 3 linesman are codependent and indispensable on this goal starved team.
And Weiss has his imperfections no less then the ones you attribute to flash and kris. for one example he has an uncanny ability to pass up good shot after good shot after good shot.
Again, if Weiss reups for a few hundred k more because of his loyalty, ill sleep well...
Fair enough. All things equal though, centers are still more valuable than wingers. Centers have more responsibilities on the ice. In the context of team needs, we certainly need centers. That's why I said Weiss was the most valuable.
I hope Weiss gets the "C" next year, he deserves it. I know it has alot to do with who is a leader in the locker room and we have limited knowledge of that but its annoying having 5 alternate captains and no true captain
Fair enough. All things equal though, centers are still more valuable than wingers. Centers have more responsibilities on the ice. In the context of team needs, we certainly need centers. That's why I said Weiss was the most valuable.
I hope Weiss gets the "C" next year, he deserves it. I know it has alot to do with who is a leader in the locker room and we have limited knowledge of that but its annoying having 5 alternate captains and no true captain
Agree we need a C.
Agree we are clueless of the lockeroom.
I would give it to Campbell, the stanley cup experienced indispensible player we have, our quarterback, who spends the most minutes on the ice.
I know we have exhasuted this topic; I know I am in the minority. I know whomever coach picks ill be good with.
Wouldn't you agree all other things are equal in this case, though? Flash/Versteeg aren't superior players when comparing them to Weiss.
Basically yes! I said earlier "His value to me is equal to his line members". Weiss is better two way player (thus being a Center ) while the other two are superior natural scorers...I would call them right now equal values.
Well, maybe Versteeg is less mercenary than I thought. But I'm still hopeful he'll be trying to earn this contract and not float for the next three years.
Don't know why I'm pessimistic about him - maybe because he's never fulfilled the potential scouts saw in him. But anyway hopefully he'll be worth $4.4m each year.
what are you talking about? versteeg was an afterthought - so much so that he was traded by boston to chicago for an AHL tweener in Brandon Bochenski. he didn't have any expectations and worked his way up with hard work and the new opportunity tallon gave him in chicago.
i don't think i've ever seen a more misguided post on a player's outlook.
Well, maybe Versteeg is less mercenary than I thought. But I'm still hopeful he'll be trying to earn this contract and not float for the next three years.
Don't know why I'm pessimistic about him - maybe because he's never fulfilled the potential scouts saw in him. But anyway hopefully he'll be worth $4.4m each year.
