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01-16-2013, 07:48 PM
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You guys think anyone's gonna offer sheet Subban? Not saying the Sens should, I just always find a lot of intrigue when a team offer sheets another.

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I wonder if the yotes are planning another trade to follow this for salary reasons?

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01-16-2013, 07:51 PM
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You mean Antoine Vermette isn't a quality top 6 centre????
I'm not even considering Vermette or Hanzal (Hanzal, he's so hot right now, Hanzal).

Their 3-4 centers were Gordon and Kyle Chipchura. That's not exactly "deep".

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01-16-2013, 07:56 PM
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I wonder if the yotes are planning another trade to follow this for salary reasons?
How so? They are currently 6mil over the 44mil cap floor. If anything they could have taken all of Lombardi's contract.

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01-16-2013, 08:24 PM
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I'm not even considering Vermette or Hanzal (Hanzal, he's so hot right now, Hanzal).

Their 3-4 centers were Gordon and Kyle Chipchura. That's not exactly "deep".

No doubt.

Still wouldn't be happy with Hanzal and Vermy as the top 2 centres lol.

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01-16-2013, 08:28 PM
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How so? They are currently 6mil over the 44mil cap floor. If anything they could have taken all of Lombardi's contract.
I was thinking they might be unloading someone else. Otherwise, why would phoenix of all teams trade for an overpaid 3rd liner?

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01-16-2013, 08:37 PM
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I was thinking they might be unloading someone else. Otherwise, why would phoenix of all teams trade for an overpaid 3rd liner?
Not really up to speed on the exact mechanics of the new CBA, but it looks like Toronto kept 1.5mil of the cap hit, and Lombardi played fairly well in Phoenix I believe. That team always seems to find a way to make things work with a less than stellar rosters and I guess they like the guy.

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01-16-2013, 08:41 PM
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No doubt.

Still wouldn't be happy with Hanzal and Vermy as the top 2 centres lol.
Yeah.

I like Vermette & Hanzal as my #2 & 3 guys.
Vermette-Hanzal-Lombardi is a nice 2-3-4 punch down the middle.

As a 1-2-3 though..... ehhhhhh.....

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01-16-2013, 08:47 PM
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Phoenix is a systems team. They can afford to use Hanzal as a 1C.

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Not really up to speed on the exact mechanics of the new CBA, but it looks like Toronto kept 1.5mil of the cap hit, and Lombardi played fairly well in Phoenix I believe. That team always seems to find a way to make things work with a less than stellar rosters and I guess they like the guy.
This rule of the new cap is going to take some getting used to.

Apparently, teams can keep up to half of the cap/salary when a player is traded. There's no way to bury cap anymore.

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01-16-2013, 09:34 PM
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Phoenix is a systems team. They can afford to use Hanzal as a 1C.
Yea thats true, but they'd be in better shape if he were the #2C imo. He's a perfect 2nd line centre.

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01-16-2013, 09:38 PM
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This rule of the new cap is going to take some getting used to.

Apparently, teams can keep up to half of the cap/salary when a player is traded. There's no way to bury cap anymore.
Max 3 mil per single player.
5 mil in a total trade

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01-16-2013, 09:47 PM
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Phoenix is a systems team. They can afford to use Hanzal as a 1C.
Isn't Vermette the 1C now?

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I don't think the Zajac deal is too long, 8 years brings him to 35 years old, and he's still going to be an effective player then.

I DO think, however, that the Devils are going to regret paying him $5.75 for the last 2 years of that deal (those are actual dollars, not cap hit). The new CBA allows for SOME variance at the end of the contract, an aging Zajac at $3mil a year seems respectable. Not sure why Lou didn't get that contract to decline at the end.

That being said, Zajac is going to be a near-PPG center on the Devils, as long as he stays healthy and plays with Kovalchuk. Like someone said: it's a great deal in comparison to Kovy's, haha.
It was probably structured that way because Zajac wanted less dollars in year 1 & 2 due to what could be years with substantial escrow payments.

Then if the business grows, both NJ and Zajac aren't to badly off years 3 - 6.

While the dollars for year 7 & 8 are definitely more than what Zajac will probably bring to the rink, the cap should have grown to make those number more palatable.


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01-16-2013, 09:50 PM
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Isn't Vermette the 1C now?
Vermette isn't a 1C without Nash or equivalent.

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01-16-2013, 09:53 PM
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Vermette isn't a 1C without Nash or equivalent.
Oh yeah, please don't interpret that as "I think Vermette is a legit 1C in the league", haha. That would be hella-wrong.

I meant "Isn't he the 1C in Phoenix now, by default?" Of all the centers on that team, he seems to be the top dog offensively. I'm not sure how much longer they'd use Hanzal on the top line, when he's much more suited to be a 2-3 center.

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01-16-2013, 09:57 PM
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Its probably more a 1a/1b (more like 2a/2b) situation. They'll probably be pretty close in TOI.

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Sullivan - Hanzal - Vrbata
Boedker - Vermette - Doan
Korpikoski - Lombardi - Johnson
Torres - Gordon - Moss
Bissonnette - Chipchura


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01-16-2013, 10:02 PM
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Its probably more a 1a/1b (more like 2a/2b) situation. They'll probably be pretty close in TOI.
Knowing Phoenix, you're probably right.

I was lurking around the Phoenix boards, apparently their top-6 is going to look like:
(Boedker or Sullivan) - Vermette - Doan
(Boedker or Sullivan) - Hanzal - Vrbata

And from what I can piece together, their bottom 6 is like Korpikoski - Lombardi - Moss... and Bissonnette - Gordon - Johnson?

And Torres fits in there somewhere once he's good to go, I guess.

... I'm sure Tippett will find a way to get that team into the playoff again, assuming Smith is for real in nets.



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Yeah, what MAK said ^... Either one works.

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Knowing Phoenix, you're probably right.

I was lurking around the Phoenix boards, apparently their top-6 is going to look like:
(Boedker or Sullivan) - Vermette - Doan
(Boedker or Sullivan) - Hanzal - Vrbata

And from what I can piece together, their bottom 6 is like Korpikoski - Lombardi - Moss... and Bissonnette - Gordon - Johnson?

And Torres fits in there somewhere once he's good to go, I guess.

... I'm sure Tippett will find a way to get that team into the playoff again, assuming Smith is for real in nets.



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Yeah, what MAK said ^... Either one works.
I haven't been lurking. Just what I would do... maybe switch Korpikoski and Sullivan depending on Sullivan's play/regression.

But yeah Lombardi should be the 3C and PK presence. Little bit of PP.

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They have 3 great PKing centres (4 is Gordon plays). Tippett is in heaven lol.

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I haven't been lurking. Just what I would do... maybe switch Korpikoski and Sullivan depending on Sullivan's play/regression.

But yeah Lombardi should be the 3C and PK presence. Little bit of PP.
Yeah, I was lurking not because of common sense, but because who the eff knows WHAT Tippett will do, sometimes.

That guy had Patrick O'Sullivan on his roster last year. No telling what he'll do next.


... to your Korpi-Sullivan thing, yeah, if I were a Phoenix fan, I might want to try Korpi in the top 6 first to see if it fits, depending on how Sullivan plays.

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They have 3 great PKing centres (4 is Gordon plays). Tippett is in heaven lol.
People running the show in Phoenix are so smart. I think I've said this many times lol

No superstars, just great coaching and responsible committed players

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Yeah, I was lurking not because of common sense, but because who the eff knows WHAT Tippett will do, sometimes.

That guy had Patrick O'Sullivan on his roster last year. No telling what he'll do next.
I think he's a genius

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No superstars, just great coaching and responsible committed players



I think he's a genius
I think he does REALLY well with guys who mesh with the system he pushes.

I think if you don't fit Tippett's idea if a player to a tee, however, you might as well be dog chow. I think there are more skilled teams out there that if Tippett were the coach, they'd be MUCH worse off. Tippett needs "his kind of guys" to succeed. That's not a knock on him, either. He's just one of those kinds of guys.

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I think he does REALLY well with guys who mesh with the system he pushes.

I think if you don't fit Tippett's idea if a player to a tee, however, you might as well be dog chow. I think there are more skilled teams out there that if Tippett were the coach, they'd be MUCH worse off. Tippett needs "his kind of guys" to succeed. That's not a knock on him, either. He's just one of those kinds of guys.
Sure.

but I think his kind of player is the best kind. In terms of skill, his team is bottom third in the league. But he took them to the final 4.

Hanzal, Vermette, Lombardi, Gordon.

No, they're not as flashy or as good offensively as other players... but their overall contributions are terrific.

Players like that, but with 1st line offensive skills, are the best and most useful players in the world.

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