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07-22-2012, 10:02 PM
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04 Sens RW's - Alfredsson, Hossa, Havlat, Bondra

Will we ever see a right side as dominant as that one? Mostly Alfy, Hossa and Havlat as Bondra joined them late and was actually on the left side. But they were easily the best right side from the past decade. I mean Havlat was a PPG player putting up 31 goals on the 3rd line.

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One of the best teams to never win the cup.

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Theyd have games where it was absolutely fabulous to watch that year. They torched some teams that season, I remember them putting up 6 and 7 a game constantly.

But Never will I understand the Bondra deal. It was baffling considering the depth mentioned. Giving up a good, borderline top prospect and a second for something completely redundent, then Bondra was irrelevent in the first round loss in the playoffs and he walked after the lockout.

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People seem to forget how good Peter Bondra really was..

He had 503 goals in 1081 games. That .46 goals a game over 17 seasons. Steve Yzerman is at .45 goals a game.

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People seem to forget how good Peter Bondra really was..

He had 503 goals in 1081 games. That .46 goals a game over 17 seasons. Steve Yzerman is at .45 goals a game.
Also led the league in goals twice.

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But seriously, they would've been my pick to win that year HAD they played.

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Their defense was absolutely dominant

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Off topic but the 05 sens were a sick team:

Heatley, Spezza, Alfredsson, Chara, Redden, Havlat, Hasek, Emery

312 Regular Season Goals, so many blow outs and a great start to the season

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Will we ever see a right side as dominant as that one? Mostly Alfy, Hossa and Havlat as Bondra joined them late and was actually on the left side. But they were easily the best right side from the past decade. I mean Havlat was a PPG player putting up 31 goals on the 3rd line.
Havlat was 5th among Ottawa forwards in even strength ice time per game, and got 3:40 of powerplay time per game as well. He did not score 31 goals from the 3rd line.

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Maybe the best to never win a cup... Kinda sad actually.. They deserved better.

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Theyd have games where it was absolutely fabulous to watch that year. They torched some teams that season, I remember them putting up 6 and 7 a game constantly.

But Never will I understand the Bondra deal. It was baffling considering the depth mentioned. Giving up a good, borderline top prospect and a second for something completely redundent, then Bondra was irrelevent in the first round loss in the playoffs and he walked after the lockout.
I agree Bondra was redundant in Ottawa's lineup, but I have heard they made the deal because Bondra was Hossa's idol growing up and they hoped that would inspire Hossa to be better. Hossa was the best Sens forward in the 2004 series against the Leafs, scoring 3 goals in the series. Bondra was a ghost in the playoffs though. He got rocked by Domi in the last game of the regular season and I believe he was playing injured in the series against the Leafs.

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The best team ever assembled for the Sens....was a lock-out year.

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Lalime was terrible. Sens should have never traded Hossa and they would have won a Cup.

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all i can say is that 'adductor' is still a bad word around these parts.

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Lalime was terrible. Sens should have never traded Hossa and they would have won a Cup.
We traded Hossa for Heatley, who is one of only 4 players to have two (or more) fifty goal years since the lockout (Kovalchuk, Ovechkin and Stamkos are the others). He also put up back-to-back 100 point seasons, and dispite every Sens' fans deep hatred for him (I still spit on the ground whenever I say his name out loud), I would do that trade 100 times again if I had the chance.

The Pizza line was hands down the most dominant post-lockout line. How many lines put up 296 points in one season? Especially when the centerman misses 14 games.

Anyways, it really hurts my heart that the 07 Sens ran into that Ducks team. I'm very confident they would have beaten any other team that has won the cup since, but I knew we weren't beating the Ducks. Oh well

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We traded Hossa for Heatley, who is one of only 4 players to have two (or more) fifty goal years since the lockout (Kovalchuk, Ovechkin and Stamkos are the others). He also put up back-to-back 100 point seasons, and dispite every Sens' fans deep hatred for him (I still spit on the ground whenever I say his name out loud), I would do that trade 100 times again if I had the chance.

The Pizza line was hands down the most dominant post-lockout line. How many lines put up 296 points in one season? Especially when the centerman misses 14 games.

Anyways, it really hurts my heart that the 07 Sens ran into that Ducks team. I'm very confident they would have beaten any other team that has won the cup since, but I knew we weren't beating the Ducks. Oh well
To be fair, who's to say Hossa wouldn't have put up a 50 goal season or two playing with Spezz and Alfie.

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I was in a great mood till i read this thread. ******* SO FRUSTRATING!!!! ARGGHHHRHHHHDHHDHH!SOU:NFFLJNLKML!

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People seem to forget how good Peter Bondra really was..

He had 503 goals in 1081 games. That .46 goals a game over 17 seasons. Steve Yzerman is at .45 goals a game.
Yzerman's PPG is 1.16 over 1,514 games. Bondra's is .82 over 1,081 games.

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Great team. The Sens vs. Leafs games were awesome, much like Montreal - Boston was and still is.

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Probably the greatest collection of RWs in the history of the game.

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Don't forget Neil. They had everything on RW they needed. Two way play, toughness, elite scoring.

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Lalime was terrible. Sens should have never traded Hossa and they would have won a Cup.
I wonder if Pittsburgh, Detroit, and Chicago make the finals without him.

As for Lalime, I always considered him the Eastern equivalent of Cloutier. Leaving aside the obvious cultural and linguistic similarities, they're two average goaltenders who were given starting roles on what were pretty solid teams. They were good enough on those teams to get to the playoffs, but not good enough to seriously contend for the cup. Then when they left their respective teams, they floundered and their careers as a starter ended. Obviously injuries and other factors play a role in that, but they still had interesting parallels in their careers.

Sometimes a goalie carries a team, and sometimes a team carries a goalie.

I was looking forward to Cloutier coming to LA, but man those were some forgettable times in terms of goal-tending.

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Everyone always talks about this team like they they actually did something.

You could say "best team to never win a cup", or you could say they are the most disappointing, underachieving team ever.

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Since the other Bondra thread was moved to the History of Hockey, I'm gonna go ahead and repurpose this one to be a Bondra appreciation thread.

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Yzerman's PPG is 1.16 over 1,514 games. Bondra's is .82 over 1,081 games.

And your point is? I don't think he was arguing that Bondra > Yzerman, he was just calling Peter underrated, which he certainly is.

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Probably the greatest collection of RWs in the history of the game.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000451956.html

Bernie Geoffrion, Maurice Richard, Bert Olmstead, Claude Provost. Three Hall of Famers and one who should be. Checkmate!

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