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07-23-2012, 04:42 PM
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I see burke's strategy right now re the CBA. He obviously believes that the long contracts will be banned and the playing field will even. He has even made allusions to the idea that the teams will be punished.

But... If the new CBA allows this again, and he doesnt go with it, he needs to go. These retirement contracts were never the intent of the CBA and has made the NHL look stupid by circumventing the rules. I agree with the idea of not going with it right now, based on that premise, but if they hold up, he has to recognize the times and pay up or get out.
Hard to argue with that. I bet Burke wouldn't either. If the new CBA continues to allow cap circumvention (which is preposterous by the way), then Burke will play ball obviously. If he didn't then absolutely he should be fired because he cannot possibly be competitive without it.

All in all it's a bit of a moot point because there's just no way cap circumvention will be allowed after this CBA. It's a central issue and will be dealt with one way or an other. If you believe that this won't be addressed then you haven't been paying attention to the NHL.

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07-23-2012, 04:46 PM
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Burke will at least grab Getzlaf before the trade deadline when it becomes clear Anaheim has no chance at the post season.

TO:
Getzlaf + Ryan

Ananheim:
Kadri
Colborne
Kulemin
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Really how many of these big name reach free agency? Answer: Almost Never
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That is exactly what Toronto has become and you can thank Burke for that. NO ONE wants to play here. The team is a joke.


And no, Burke is not doing anything. Getzlaf and Perry will not come anywhere near Toronto.
Ya, because FA's were flocking here before Burke's arrival. #cementhead

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07-23-2012, 04:54 PM
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That is exactly what Toronto has become and you can thank Burke for that. NO ONE wants to play here. The team is a joke.


And no, Burke is not doing anything. Getzlaf and Perry will not come anywhere near Toronto.
I think you're one of my favourite posters.

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07-23-2012, 05:01 PM
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No. It's not a GM's job to worry about upcoming UFA's a whole season before.

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07-23-2012, 05:13 PM
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Waiting for the new CBA...

I doubt the NHL takes in the rear again.Everyone else is being asked to do with less,doubt hockey will be any different with so many teams near the edge.Burke is waiting, with money, for the weak leaves to start falling and they will.

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07-23-2012, 05:16 PM
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This is an interesting theory that, I think has some merit.

1)Burke has a history with Anaheim.
2)Can't see how Anaheim will be able to afford both players.
3)Burke will have leverage(depth) to make an offer to Perry or Getzlaf.
4)Can easily see one being sold before the deadline.
5)This is the kind of move Burke lives for.

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07-23-2012, 05:20 PM
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It's hard to believe that Toronto has become like a small market team and a place where players don't want to go to. But there is moves that could be made but I think Burke is going to throw this season away and get one more top pick and go all in next off season on UFA's Perry and Getzlaf. We have even more cap space next season and it looks to be a a better free agent group.
are you new to being a leafs fan?? lol.. here is how it works EVERY year:

2 years before players become UFA's - "wow, look at all the big names that are becoming UFAs. Its definitely going to be a big year for Toronto. Who should we go for? One of them? two of them? Can't wait!!!!"

1 year before players become UFA's.......news slowly trickles in as the players get signed by their teams one by one.

Few weeks before July 1. - Only a few UFAs actually make it to free agency, making their prices high, and the general attitude is: "We should go after player x, but only if he'll sign with us for ... (well under market value)."

July 2 - "Haha look at those silly (playoff) teams and their ridiculous contracts, I'm so glad the Leafs didnt land that superstar!!! Their GMs are idiots"


-Begin season
-Miss playoffs

Rinse and repeat!

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07-23-2012, 05:35 PM
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Looking at Capgeek we have

20 million in cap space next season with

Steckel
MacArthur
Lupul
Bozak
Connoly
Lombardi
as unrestricted free agents

We have Gunnarson and Holzer as RFA's(not to mentions the RFA prospects like Kadri who could make a push for a spot)

Now some of those UFA's will be gone and replaced with cheaper players(Connoly and Lombardi for example will free up 7-8 million) But still you got Lupul who will need more money if he keeps up this pace and you'll need to sign players or call up players to replace some of those forwards. Getzlaf and Perry will demand top dollar like Parise and Suter did. They will comand a 14 million cap hit combined minimum. And who knows how the new CBA will affect that.

Aneheim on the other hand will have 41 million in cap space, not to mention the other teams who will have enormous space and have better rosters. We can not hope to land big name free agents just because we throw money at them, they havn't been picking us over other teams who offer the same amount. We've always had to overpay before, now we have to actually build a decent rod before we can land the big fish.

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If Burke's goal is another top 5 pick and hoping to sign UFA's next summer then he should be fired

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If Getzlaf is unsigned then...Burke will throw everything in his power at his feet to get him signed here.
Like a long-term, front-loaded contract?

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Unless there is some major move, Top 5 pick coming up

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07-23-2012, 05:45 PM
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The only reason why Perry and Getzlaf are potentially becoming UFAs in the first place, is because Burke as GM in Anaheim back then, only signed the two star players to 5 year deals because of his own contract beliefs, which now has put the Anaheim organization in more jeopardy of potentially losing them.

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The only reason why Perry and Getzlaf are potentially becoming UFAs in the first place, is because Burke as GM in Anaheim back then, only signed the two star players to 5 year deals because of his own contract beliefs, which now has put the Anaheim organization in more jeopardy of potentially losing them.
That's a real stretch Mess. Surely you can find a better battle line for your anti-Burke diatribe.

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are you new to being a leafs fan?? lol.. here is how it works EVERY year:

2 years before players become UFA's - "wow, look at all the big names that are becoming UFAs. Its definitely going to be a big year for Toronto. Who should we go for? One of them? two of them? Can't wait!!!!"

1 year before players become UFA's.......news slowly trickles in as the players get signed by their teams one by one.

Few weeks before July 1. - Only a few UFAs actually make it to free agency, making their prices high, and the general attitude is: "We should go after player x, but only if he'll sign with us for ... (well under market value)."

July 2 - "Haha look at those silly (playoff) teams and their ridiculous contracts, I'm so glad the Leafs didnt land that superstar!!! Their GMs are idiots"


-Begin season
-Miss playoffs

Rinse and repeat!

Well said , you should really post more often .

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If Burke's goal is another top 5 pick and hoping to sign UFA's next summer then he should be fired
Why?? TBH this is probably the best thing that could happen to the Leafs. If the Leafs tank again and add a top prospect then sign Getzlaf the Leafs will be a pretty sweet team. So you want Burke fired for doing what is actually best for the Leafs long term? I understand there is no gaurantee Getzlaf and/or Perry make it to ufa, but having the money available should they do make it is just smart management, especially when you know your team is probably is going to struggle.

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How is Burke sure that they will hit ufa status? if Burke was so good at predicting he wouldn't have made most of the moves he has made since coming here. I like him as our GM but it really is getting frustrating that Leafs are literally a joke around the league and us fans can't do anything about it. Give us a product that we can be proud of or get the **** out of our town. I think majority of us supported Burke long enough and will wait another year before determining where he fits in with us moving forward and if he fails this year it won't be him picking which UFAs will come here and at that time i will support for his firing. But if he can get us into the playoffs and change the dynamics of this club like he promised when he first arrived than i will support him to stay and run our team.

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Your a fool if you think Burke does not have a plan and its been focused for awhile on off loading contracts for next year..we may have the most cap room of any big market team next year why would that be?????

Burke who drafted both Perry Getzlaf and is close to them i would bet Burke wants one or both via trade or FA..

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Why?? TBH this is probably the best thing that could happen to the Leafs. If the Leafs tank again and add a top prospect then sign Getzlaf the Leafs will be a pretty sweet team. So you want Burke fired for doing what is actually best for the Leafs long term? I understand there is no gaurantee Getzlaf and/or Perry make it to ufa, but having the money available should they do make it is just smart management, especially when you know your team is probably is going to struggle.
The guy(Homer) is actually right. There are good top 5 prospects almost every year in the draft do you guys want us to tank every year? We have not been in the playoffs since the pre lock out. If we are in the top 5 of the draft again this year I second the notion of his arse being fired.

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Interesting. You claim no one wants to play in Toronto, then proceed to rule out any possibility of either Perry or Getzlaf playing for us.

Sounds like you have something against star players coming to Toronto.
Umm NO, it is clearly evident that no one relevant wants to play here. Burke has failed at every good UFA he has tried to land. He is a NO factor now. He has taken what little there is left of this historic franchise and made a complete mess if it. The team has nothing to look forward too but Burke adding more 4th liners are trying to pass them off as superstars.


Look forward to another bottom 5 finish and Burke running his big mouth how he "didn't like the prices" or "not happy with the long contracts" and so on. BUT guess what those are the team that are wining the Stanley Cup! and Burkes team could very well be the worst in the entire NHL.

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I doubt the NHL takes in the rear again.Everyone else is being asked to do with less,doubt hockey will be any different with so many teams near the edge.Burke is waiting, with money, for the weak leaves to start falling and they will.
To be fair the league thought they won last time and we can see how well that turned out .

Certainly he is sitting and waiting for the current loopholes to be closed since otherwise he's not bringing anyone good in via UFA. I really wish he'd have found a better way to make a point than using the Leafs for that.

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Your a fool if you think Burke does not have a plan and its been focused for awhile on off loading contracts for next year..we may have the most cap room of any big market team next year why would that be?????

Burke who drafted both Perry Getzlaf and is close to them i would bet Burke wants one or both via trade or FA..
Burke didn't draft either Perry or Getzlaf, although he did manage to win the Stanley cup with them.

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The guy(Homer) is actually right. There are good top 5 prospects almost every year in the draft do you guys want us to tank every year? We have not been in the playoffs since the pre lock out. If we are in the top 5 of the draft again this year I second the notion of his arse being fired.
No one on here said that we should tank every year. Fact of the matter is, the current team is one that would most likely garner a top 5 pick, no tanking required.

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Your a fool if you think Burke does not have a plan and its been focused for awhile on off loading contracts for next year..we may have the most cap room of any big market team next year why would that be?????

Burke who drafted both Perry Getzlaf and is close to them i would bet Burke wants one or both via trade or FA..
Neither Getzlaf or Perry will make it to FA, not a chance! NO WAY!

They will be re-signed or traded if not. No way Murray takes that chance after watching Schultz walk away! Again that is another player that Burke wanted desperately and thought he had in the bag!

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