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07-23-2012, 06:57 PM
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when did i say that? are you seeing something im not? quit being a bottom teared team is all im saying if this gm cant get us out of the basement than we need another gm who will get us out of it. I dont want our younger players gone but if it means getting better today and for the future i would trade anyone on this team young or OLD.
Isn't it so easy to do. Arm chair GM over here. To make us better today and in the future you are looking for a player close to their prime or just hitting it. That's going to cost the bank.

He acquired the best PK'er in the NHL and a top 6 forward with size so far, AND he's not even done. Would you believe that? There. he got players that makes us better today and in the future!

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when did i say that? are you seeing something im not? quit being a bottom teared team is all im saying if this gm cant get us out of the basement than we need another gm who will get us out of it. I dont want our younger players gone but if it means getting better today and for the future i would trade anyone on this team young or OLD.
This is a lot easier to say then to do. Like I say I`m all for Burke pulling a rabbit out of his a$$, I just don`t see what he`s going to be able to do. The players the Leafs need are just not being given away and often cost way too much for the Leafs to be able to give up and not hurt the future at this point. I really hope Burke doesn`t get fired for being patient with this young team.

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Isn't it so easy to do. Arm chair GM over here. To make us better today and in the future you are looking for a player close to their prime or just hitting it. That's going to cost the bank.

He acquired the best PK'er in the NHL and a top 6 forward with size so far, AND he's not even done. Would you believe that? There. he got players that makes us better today and in the future!
I guess all of us forgot what playoff hockey is. its not about what he has done up til now it's Have the Leafs made the playoffs ever since he took over? like i said before i have nothing against Burke but if he FAILS again this year somebody say to him You're Fired. just like any gm in the league he is given a proper chance at the helm and its not like Toronto put pressure on him either. He has done so far what he thinks is right and so far it hasn't paid off. Come on Burke make me look bad and make the playoffs PLEASE.....

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I guess all of us forgot what playoff hockey is. its not about what he has done up til now it's Have the Leafs made the playoffs ever since he took over? like i said before i have nothing against Burke but if he FAILS again this year somebody say to him You're Fired. just like any gm in the league he is given a proper chance at the helm and its not like Toronto put pressure on him either. He has done so far what he thinks is right and so far it hasn't paid off. Come on Burke make me look bad and make the playoffs PLEASE.....
Yeah, no pressure at all.

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burke is so stubborn...with regards to anything in life, its always better to be more flexible

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Now you're just spewing out crap. On what basis have you deemed Kadri a bust? Just because he isn't an All-Star at the ripe age of 21? B. Schenn has been nowhere near an impact player, Duchene just came off an injury-stricken season. I won't even dignify your comment about Rielly with an actual response. You are clueless, plain and simple.
TML complains endlessly about Burke acquiring Americans, and then complains when he doesn't acquire Parise and Suter. It's hopeless.

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Don't try to back track now. You think Minny will win a Cup in the next few seasons because they acquired Parise and Suter. We're not comparing them to the Leafs.

You don't even have the stones to put your money where your mouth is, so now you change your claim.

Btw, where's your proof that Burke thought he had Schultz in the bag?
Yes, no questioning the fact that Parise and Suter will have a direct impact on the team. You can also add in the fact that they drafted Dumba.

You know that Burke was gunning for Schultz and struck out! Burke had a reality check when he got stuffed on this one!


Anyway we could debate all day on what a great job you boy Burke has done , but its a waste of time. Just have a look at the prospects and the team, nuff said.

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TML complains endlessly about Burke acquiring Americans, and then complains when he doesn't acquire Parise and Suter. It's hopeless.
No, Just a winning team! Is that too much to ask? Apparently so.

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TML complains endlessly about Burke acquiring Americans, and then complains when he doesn't acquire Parise and Suter. It's hopeless.
sad truth which i get a laugh out of.

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Yeah, no pressure at all.
im sure that was a sarcasm from your part. No Pressure from the OWNERS of the team...... fans will have different opinions all the time and will affect in decision making sometimes (Wilson) but by no means fans should be pressure for them. We are just hungry for some playoff action and if some of us do go a little negative it is our right because we pay for tickets to watch the games and buy the team merchandise. After all no one likes to lose for a extended period of time.

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sad truth which i get a laugh out of.
Sure, Connolly, Komisarek, Liles and so on are not players who have contributed and happen to be American.

No more baggage.

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IF he's waiting... it's for the trade deadline whereby he'll gather getzlaf or perry with a sign n trade in motion. or something of that nature. he won't wait for UFA.

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If he is putting all his hopes in theoretically signing two players a year from now, he is a terrible general manager and should be fired immediately.

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cherry is right on the money when it comes to captain america burke. He sees right through him. Every saturday on coaches corner, cherry rants and raves about not having enough canadian players on the leafs and he is right on. Toronto is is not an american city and should not be pro team usa. Forget about that, it ******* bs!
So we should have gotten Parise and Suter or not?

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No, Just a winning team! Is that too much to ask? Apparently so.
There is no magic wand or magic formula to turn a team into a winning team. Constantly complaining about every move and detail your teams GM makes isn`t going to fix things either. Hey we all want a winning team, some of us just realize it`s going to take time still, while some of think it shoud be so easy and be done already.

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If he is putting all his hopes in theoretically signing two players a year from now, he is a terrible general manager and should be fired immediately.
That's all i was trying to say thank you for putting it simpler words. Lets just hope we get better this year rather than trying to worry about the next year.

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If he is putting all his hopes in theoretically signing two players a year from now, he is a terrible general manager and should be fired immediately.
There is no way Burke is putting all his hopes into signing Getzlaf and Perry. At the same time he`d be a fool not to be ready should they reach ufa.

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It's to early to guess if Getzlaf and Perry will make it to UFA status on July 1, 2013.

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Unless the CBA locks contact length, then he will not even be in the race for either.

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YES, absolutely! Do what it takes to land the best of the best! Don't just sit on the side and cry while all you can acquire is 4th line garbage.

If the Wild win a cup in the next few seasons, you will know why! They have a great team now.
There was never any opportunity for Burke to get Parise or Suter. Suter said he wanted to stay in the Western Conference and I am pretty sure Parise was only talking to cup contenders and Minnesota, since he's from there. Last year Richards was the top Free Agent and he went to the team with arguably the best goalie in the world, a coach who previously coached him to a stanley cup and a lot of money. Before that there was Hossa who went to Chicago. Players don't generally become UFAs until their mid/late twenties so basically the whole unrestricted free agent field is approx. 27 and up. As players get older, winning a cup becomes increasingly important.

The very best players going to free agency re-sign with their current teams prior to August 1st or sign with the teams that give them the best chance at a cup. In some cases, players choose their teams based on where their families or kids live or where they themselves are from. Until we become a better team or get lucky with a top player wanting to come here for personal reasons, we are not going to be able to sign anyone. Players are not signing with teams for money alone, so even if Burke did offer long-term, front-loaded deals, players likely wouldn't come here. We need to try to improve from within through drafting, developing and trading until we have a team that is more attractive to free agents. Burke knew he wasn't signing a top free agent this offseason, for reasons out of his control and that is why he plans to improve through trading instead, it's his only option.

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Burke isn't holding out for anything. What did the Nash deal and most like it require? A FIRST ROUND PICK. Might be fine for NYR, Philly and others to dangle a 20th overall but the Leafs are dangling a top 5. You don't trade top 5 picks.

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Burke isn't holding out for anything. What did the Nash deal and most like it require? A FIRST ROUND PICK. Might be fine for NYR, Philly and others to dangle a 20th overall but the Leafs are dangling a top 5. You don't trade top 5 picks.
Well since its NY's 1st shouldn't the comparable be our 2nd?

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Looking at Capgeek we have

20 million in cap space next season with

Steckel
MacArthur
Lupul
Bozak
Connoly
Lombardi
as unrestricted free agents

We have Gunnarson and Holzer as RFA's(not to mentions the RFA prospects like Kadri who could make a push for a spot)

Now some of those UFA's will be gone and replaced with cheaper players(Connoly and Lombardi for example will free up 7-8 million) But still you got Lupul who will need more money if he keeps up this pace and you'll need to sign players or call up players to replace some of those forwards. Getzlaf and Perry will demand top dollar like Parise and Suter did. They will comand a 14 million cap hit combined minimum. And who knows how the new CBA will affect that.

Aneheim on the other hand will have 41 million in cap space, not to mention the other teams who will have enormous space and have better rosters. We can not hope to land big name free agents just because we throw money at them, they havn't been picking us over other teams who offer the same amount. We've always had to overpay before, now we have to actually build a decent rod before we can land the big fish.
They have 29+ million. That does not take into consideration a possible salary roll back and an increase in the cap. They could possIbly have 35+ million avalible.

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It's hard to believe that Toronto has become like a small market team and a place where players don't want to go to. But there is moves that could be made but I think Burke is going to throw this season away and get one more top pick and go all in next off season on UFA's Perry and Getzlaf. We have even more cap space next season and it looks to be a a better free agent group.
if theres a new cba than it will be 5 years at 10 mil per, 50 mil contract
can we get both, with kessels copntract due, lupul, gardiener, phanef, and so on

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There was never any opportunity for Burke to get Parise or Suter. Suter said he wanted to stay in the Western Conference and I am pretty sure Parise was only talking to cup contenders and Minnesota, since he's from there. Last year Richards was the top Free Agent and he went to the team with arguably the best goalie in the world, a coach who previously coached him to a stanley cup and a lot of money. Before that there was Hossa who went to Chicago. Players don't generally become UFAs until their mid/late twenties so basically the whole unrestricted free agent field is approx. 27 and up. As players get older, winning a cup becomes increasingly important.

The very best players going to free agency re-sign with their current teams prior to August 1st or sign with the teams that give them the best chance at a cup. In some cases, players choose their teams based on where their families or kids live or where they themselves are from. Until we become a better team or get lucky with a top player wanting to come here for personal reasons, we are not going to be able to sign anyone. Players are not signing with teams for money alone, so even if Burke did offer long-term, front-loaded deals, players likely wouldn't come here. We need to try to improve from within through drafting, developing and trading until we have a team that is more attractive to free agents. Burke knew he wasn't signing a top free agent this offseason, for reasons out of his control and that is why he plans to improve through trading instead, it's his only option.

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Quality post man. It seems the Leafs fans are deviding them selves into two categories...The wave the magic wand get it done now or be fired fans or the ones who see the big picture and are glad the GM is being patient and building towards something bigger than just a playoff berth. I for one could handle even a few more years of being bad if it means the Leafs get real good in the end.

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