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07-25-2012, 03:28 PM
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That's why Burke was inquiring about Bernier - at this point, if Gillis really is asking for the moon for Luongo, most fans would rather pay a cheaper price for Bernier and go into the season with a Reimer/Bernier 1A/1B situation and let them fight it out.
Dreger said that Burke has not talked to LA about Bernier. Most fans might be OK paying a cheaper price for Bernier but I doubt that Burke sees another untested goalie as the solution to his goaltending problems. That doesn't strike me as a very good move.

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If thats the case Burke would have given up what Gillis wants..

Clearly they differ in their view of Luongo's price.
Well, setting sarcasm aside, Burke absolutely has a reputation to uphold to be able to maintain his employment, "as someone who can transform something from absolutely nothing, afterall, this is why TO hired him".... such as trade for elite for the equivalent of mediocre. Since his contract is up at the end of next year, do you think he would entertain actually paying the going rate or more knowing very well the result would still mean his dismissal. Well, simply holding out in the hopes of dou***bagging Gillis is his only hope but will never ever come to a fruition, Gillis is far too levelheaded for that....


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Is it possible that Burke & Gillis are actually working together and discussing a trade that is dependent on the outcome of the various UFA's that aren't signed yet and not just bickering over what players to deal?

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Schneider hasn't really shown that he has any sort of mental breakdowns though. I don't think Luongo sitting on the bench will trigger that.
Neither has Luongo, unless bad games automatically mean mental breakdown in which case Schneider's start against Nashville in December would be a mental breakdown.

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Neither has Luongo, unless bad games automatically mean mental breakdown in which case Schneider's start against Nashville in December would be a mental breakdown.
You wouldn't call The games he played in Boston mental breakdowns? He didn't really give us a chance to win any of those games. I'm a huge Luongo supporter but those 3 games in Boston were mental breakdowns. How can you not win a single game of a series in your opponent's building... not only that but how can you look SO bad in 1 building for 3 games?



Here the part where you complain about the offense!


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You wouldn't call The games he played in Boston mental breakdowns? He didn't really give us a chance to win any of those games. I'm a huge Luongo supporter but those 3 games in Boston were mental breakdowns. How can you not win a single game of a series in your opponent's building... not only that but how can you look SO bad in 1 building?



Here the part where you complain about the offense!
I actually would argue that the games he played against Chicago (in multiple years) were more indicative of mental breakdowns as opposed to the Boston games. Boston was more amplified because he wasn't very smart with his comments about tire pumping and of course because it was the Finals. He also rebounded from his bad games against the Bruins with some incredible performances under pressure.

Against the Hawks he was unable to pull it together, and the team had to insert Schnieder to give Lu a break.

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I actually would argue that the games he played against Chicago (in multiple years) were more indicative of mental breakdowns as opposed to the Boston games. Boston was more amplified because he wasn't very smart with his comments about tire pumping and of course because it was the Finals. He also rebounded from his bad games against the Bruins with some incredible performances under pressure.

Against the Hawks he was unable to pull it together, and the team had to insert Schnieder to give Lu a break.
At least in that case he rebounded & won the 7th Game though.


No comments about the offense yet y2k?

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16 goals against in 3 games is bad, but does it really mean he broke down mentally?

His play may have led to the team breaking down mentally...but posting a 1-0 shutout after getting pummeled for 12 goals in games 3 and 4, speaks to significant mental resolve.

Game 6 is the only game I blame on Luongo, but a team scoring 3 goals in 3 games in boston (all 3 being garbage time goals with the outcome of the game already decided), during that timespan and showing absolutely zero push back after going down in those games should not speak to ONE persons (Luongo) mental fortitude....it should speak to the fragile mentality the Canucks possessed as a group during that series.

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16 goals against in 3 games is bad, but does it really mean he broke down mentally?

His play may have led to the team breaking down mentally...but posting a 1-0 shutout after getting pummeled for 12 goals in games 3 and 4, speaks to significant mental resolve.

Game 6 is the only game I blame on Luongo, but a team scoring 3 goals in 3 games in boston (all 3 being garbage time goals with the outcome of the game already decided), during that timespan and showing absolutely zero push back after going down in those games should not speak to ONE persons (Luongo) mental fortitude....it should speak to the fragile mentality the Canucks possessed as a group during that series.
When those 16 goals and 3 games are in a single building I have to think its something mental.

In the 4 games in Vancouver didn't he give up something like 5 goals? He did have 2 shutouts. I've just never seen night & day performances when it comes to playing in a certain building (he has this vs the Wild too).... to me thats got to be mental.

I don't think he is a mentally weak goalie who can't turn it around like everyone claims he is but those numbers specific to the TD Bank are outrageous.


I do agree that the group as a whole has the ability to be mentally weak & give up. Game 6 was a PRIME example of that.

When you mix a goalie & a team who have those traits your in for high highs but also very low lows. Its unfortunate he & the rest of the team had their lows at the same time in the biggest series they have played.


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Dreger said that Burke has not talked to LA about Bernier. Most fans might be OK paying a cheaper price for Bernier but I doubt that Burke sees another untested goalie as the solution to his goaltending problems. That doesn't strike me as a very good move.
Agreed. Bernier is a good move if we acquire a vet along with him. Bernier's talent level is a substantial cut above Reimer or Scrivens but not proven enough to toss him to the wolves the minute he steps on the ice.
  • Ideal combo IMO: Bernier/Theodore
  • Package Reimer & Scrivens in other deals
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So? you dump him in the minors and he doesn't effect your cap and I bet he won't want to play there.
Doesn't Luongo have a no movement clause?

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The last 3 years of Luongo's contract he makes $3.6 mil, total out of a $64 mil contract...

I think after $60 mil, unless he's still putting up great numbers, there's no way he'll be a backup with a $5.33 mil cap hit for $1 mil a year at age 40, that makes zero sense.
I don't see it that way. $1M for hanging out at the hockey rink for 6 months seems like pretty easy money to me. I don't have a crystal ball - maybe Luongo is that rare exception to the rule, but taking that last $million and investing it into your kid's trustfund is something I'd be hard pressed to pass up regardless of the $60M I made earlier in my career.

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I don't see it that way. $1M for hanging out at the hockey rink for 6 months seems like pretty easy money to me. I don't have a crystal ball - maybe Luongo is that rare exception to the rule, but taking that last $million and investing it into your kid's trustfund is something I'd be hard pressed to pass up regardless of the $60M I made earlier in my career.
It seems like good money to me too! But then I won't have made the kind of money Luongo has made. I don't really see him showing up to cash a pay cheque if he's not playing and I doubt that many GM's see this as much of a risk.

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Doesn't Luongo have a no movement clause?
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I don't see it that way. $1M for hanging out at the hockey rink for 6 months seems like pretty easy money to me. I don't have a crystal ball - maybe Luongo is that rare exception to the rule, but taking that last $million and investing it into your kid's trustfund is something I'd be hard pressed to pass up regardless of the $60M I made earlier in my career.
$60 million?

If he leaves the last 3 years on the board, he'll have surpassed $90million + in his last 3 contracts, and quite likely $100m, as cap geek only tracks to his last season as a Panther.

If he isn't good enough to want on your club, and won't retire you send him down and force it on him

He most certainly won't be riding the bus in the AHL, with $100million+ in the bank.

Of course you wouldn't see it that way, as a person, who is like myself, likely will not have even grossed $1million in the length of Lu's deal.

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$60 million?

If he leaves the last 3 years on the board, he'll have surpassed $90million + in his last 3 contracts, and quite likely $100m, as cap geek only tracks to his last season as a Panther.

If he isn't good enough to want on your club, and won't retire you send him down and force it on him

He most certainly won't be riding the bus in the AHL, with $100million+ in the bank.

Of course you wouldn't see it that way, as a person, who is like myself, likely will not have even grossed $1million in the length of Lu's deal.
He also has his endorsement deals as well. The guy is going to enjoy his retirement instead of grinding out a few more years for peanuts.

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Don't take it personally...maybe insulting other GM's (or fanbases) intelligence because they aren't willing to deal top prospects/picks or top 6 forwards for Luongo isn't the right way to go if you don't want to recieve comments in return.
Sounds to me like you're the one taking it personally. I restate my orginal position: Relying on an unproven prospect, that is operating today with the assumption that they will pan out tomorrow, is awful management. In terms of the Canucks, their brass has deemed that Schneider has proven enough to be considered ready today. Of the other clubs in question, it is my view that none can say the same thing.

If that is insulting to you then so be it.

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Vancouver is going to have to overpay to have someone take Luongo's albatross contract off their hands.

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Vancouver is going to have to overpay to have someone take Luongo's albatross contract off their hands.
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As to the issue of Luongo to the Minor leagues, he would have to clear waivers and no way does he get by Columbus and if by some miracle the Blue Jackets didn't snap him up Luongo would be an Oiler.

Gillis is not going to waive Luongo, he will get something for him before he gives a division rival even a remote chance to pick up Luongo on waivers.

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Vancouver is going to have to overpay to have someone take Luongo's albatross contract off their hands.
Not sure what you mean by pay. It'll end up exactly like the Nash deal, except without a 1st. They'll get players of value, just not the players they want.

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As to the issue of Luongo to the Minor leagues, he would have to clear waivers and no way does he get by Columbus and if by some miracle the Blue Jackets didn't snap him up Luongo would be an Oiler.

Gillis is not going to waive Luongo, he will get something for him before he gives a division rival even a remote chance to pick up Luongo on waivers.
I think that they were talking about when he is older. When his cap hit will still be 5.33 but he will only actually be making 1 million/year.

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Is it possible that Burke & Gillis are actually working together and discussing a trade that is dependent on the outcome of the various UFA's that aren't signed yet and not just bickering over what players to deal?
As I have said it may make a big difference where Doan goes.

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I don't see it that way. $1M for hanging out at the hockey rink for 6 months seems like pretty easy money to me. I don't have a crystal ball - maybe Luongo is that rare exception to the rule, but taking that last $million and investing it into your kid's trustfund is something I'd be hard pressed to pass up regardless of the $60M I made earlier in my career.
So he could retire with millions in the bank to spend more time with his family or he could spend 10 months of the year training and travelling around north america to not play....

And Luongo will have made over $85 mil by the time he's in the last 3 years of this contract, not just $60 mil. I think his kids will be just fine...

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