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07-22-2012, 10:39 PM
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Carlyle

if the leafs dont make the playoffs, does he get fired? or does carlyle get a free pass this year.
burke gave him the team that,should of made it last year but they fell over the cliff, thus firing the coach.

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07-22-2012, 10:51 PM
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If the higher ups feel like a change is needed, it will be the management that is changed. different management would bring in their own guys likey. If Burke stays then so does Carlyle. Also, I might add, its not a forgone conclusion that Burke is done if he misses the playoffs for another year. It depends on how it plays out

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Wilson was given years of failure. Don't see why Carlyle would only be allowed one.

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07-22-2012, 10:56 PM
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Carlyle isn't under pressure... however he did manage to lose a lot of games getting the team the 5th pick.

The real person under the scope is Burkie.
If Burke misses another post season... does he get fired?!?!?

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07-22-2012, 10:57 PM
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if the leafs dont make the playoffs, does he get fired? or does carlyle get a free pass this year.
burke gave him the team that,should of made it last year but they fell over the cliff, thus firing the coach.
Why does it seem every week or so you are creating a new thread about someone being fired or someone should be traded.

He has a pass this year unless they are a lottery team. Burke and Carlyle will have this year to show improvement. Everyone keep saying this is his team, it isnt. Burkes team is about 1-2 years away. He filled this squad with guys who are basically stop gates. When his picks start coming through we will see. Give it 2 years then we can see a team with Blacker,Kadri,Ashton,Colbourne, D`Amigo,Rieller,Biggs, Ross + everyone else like Kessel,Gardiner,Lupul,Grabovski then there jobs come into question

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Burke will not fire Carlyle after this season, but if Burke is canned after this season I would assume the next GM would bring in a new guy.

Personally I think Burke gets a two or three year extension, and Carlyle sticks with the team even if we finish outside the playoffs.

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07-22-2012, 11:01 PM
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Neither Burke or Carlyle will be fired this year regardless of our finish.


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Carlyle's job is not in question for the duration of Burke's tenure under this contract. He's not going to dump the guy, regardless of the standings this year. However, if the ownership doesn't believe in Burke's strategy or have the patience to let him see it through to completion then Carlyle's gone when Burke goes.

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Burke will not fire Carlyle after this season, but if Burke is canned after this season I would assume the next GM would bring in a new guy.

Personally I think Burke gets a two or three year extension, and Carlyle sticks with the team even if we finish outside the playoffs.
so making the playoffs is not a big deal this year, then why did't burke just hire eakins as his coach and let the players grow with him, since making the playoffs is not a big deal this year.

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so making the playoffs is not a big deal this year, then why did't burke just hire eakins as his coach and let the players grow with him, since making the playoffs is not a big deal this year.
I dont think he meant it like that. I think it was meant as they are trying to get the playoffs, but due to how the off-season is set up if they dont make the playoffs but still show some sort of improvement then they will be kept.

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so making the playoffs is not a big deal this year, then why did't burke just hire eakins as his coach and let the players grow with him, since making the playoffs is not a big deal this year.
Eakins isn't ready for an NHL head coaching job. He's still comparetively young for a NHL coach. He's done a great job for the kids on the marlies, but coaching men is s lot different.

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Neither Burke or Carlyle will be fired this year regardless of our finish.


And I agree. Burke and Carlyle are both quite safe.


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so making the playoffs is not a big deal this year, then why did't burke just hire eakins as his coach and let the players grow with him, since making the playoffs is not a big deal this year.
Who knows, I personally would have preferred Eakins, but with him still in the AHL it gives him more time with many future Leafs, and a chance to win the Calder Cup. I really have no hope or expectations for the Leafs next year, and without some more changes I can't see myself being too excited about the 2012-13 season for the Leafs. Another top 5 pick would do wonders for the team, as it is so clear we need elite talent, and as it has been shown the past few years, we are unable to get that through trade or FA. I think Burke finally has accepted that this is a long process, and that is why he has been relatively quiet on the FA front and is starting to rely on the draft more so than his first few years here.

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why would anyone think Carlyle would be fired without Burke being fired aswell after this season. if this team doesn't improve then it's a clear sign that coaching isn't and wasn't the problem but that it was the players, which is Burke's respondsibility. so if anyone would be fired with another bad season it would be Burke(tho Carlyle might be right behind him if that were to happen)

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07-22-2012, 11:44 PM
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Option 1: Burke doesn't get fired = Carlyle stays

Option 2a: Burke gets fired, new GM comes in = he likes Carlyle and keeps him
Option 2b: Burke gets fired, new GM comes in = he doesn't like Carlyle and he fires Carlyle and brings in his own new coach.

Option 3: Toronto wins the Stanley Cup and we make statues of Burke and Carlyle outside the ACC.


Option 3 is the most likely obviously.

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Option 1: Burke doesn't get fired = Carlyle stays

Option 2a: Burke gets fired, new GM comes in = he likes Carlyle and keeps him
Option 2b: Burke gets fired, new GM comes in = he doesn't like Carlyle and he fires Carlyle and brings in his own new coach.

Option 3: Toronto wins the Stanley Cup and we make statues of Burke and Carlyle outside the ACC.


Option 3 is the most likely obviously.
so your saying burke hired carlyle to make the playoffs and keep his job

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so your saying burke hired carlyle to make the playoffs and keep his job
You seem to be trying to get me to say something and then twist my words a little but I don't see the direction you are going so I will play along. Since the goal of a gm is to make the playoffs and win the Stanley Cup I will say yes, Burke hired Carlyle because he felt it was time to move on to a new coach who could better the team. Yes this hiring of Carlyle may have saved his job.

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I don't think he gets fired or a free pass. Like any coaching job, the clock is ticking...

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Neither will be gone after next season. Suck it up and live with it

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Carlyle isn't under pressure... however he did manage to lose a lot of games getting the team the 5th pick.


So their draft position was Carlyle's fault?


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07-23-2012, 12:27 AM
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it was amazing how much time Wilson had.

before Wilson there was one constant in the universe: NHL coaches get fired.

coaches get fired if a team doesn't go deep in the playoffs
coaches get fired if a team sputters at the beginning of a season
coaches get fired if the team is terrible to begin with
coaches get fired if the stars stop playing for them (*Jagr)
coaches get fired if the team doesn't make the playoffs even in the coaches' first year

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*i guess i'm revealing my age with this point

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Another top 5 pick would do wonders for the team, as it is so clear we need elite talent,
Why? So we can end up like Edmonton and all the success they've had with their high draft picks?

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Wow, talk about giving the guy a tight leash.

It's not very often that a coach gets fired in their first full year with a team. I doubt Burke cans him unless we finish like dead last for some reason.

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Why? So we can end up like Edmonton and all the success they've had with their high draft picks?
I all ears as to where our number one goalie, centre and top 6 forwards with grit are coming from. I am all for Luongo and I think he changes this team completely, but that is looking like it is not going to happen.

Running with Reimer/Scrivens this year will show us if we can solve our goalie issues internally, but if not we will have another lost season, and hopefully a top pick. We finished bottom 5 this year, how exactly are we a playoff team without addressing any weak points from last season?

IMO Burke seems to be finally willing to go with the young guys (within reason) and accept the consequences that come of that.

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I all ears as to where our number one goalie, centre and top 6 forwards with grit are coming from.

Running with Reimer/Scrivens this year will show us if we can solve our goalie issues internally, but if not we will have another lost season, and hopefully a top pick. We finished bottom 5 this year, how exactly are we a playoff team without addressing any weak points last season?
New Coach, new system.
McClement, does seem like a player who can address the PK.

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